As far as I know there are TWO that I knew so well, that believed that there is such thing as an “ETERNAL CHURCH”, number one is the CATHOLIC CHURCH:
The CATHOLICS believed that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the ETERNAL CHURCH.
“Here we have it, then. Everything is clear at last. The only priests acceptable to the Vatican are priests prepared to make an act of "genuine fidelity to the Conciliar Church." It is, therefore, not traditionalists who are making a distinction between THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE ETERNAL CHURCH, and the Church of Vatican II. This distinction is made by an official spokesman for the Conciliar Church. Since the seminarians at Econe have already promised their fidelity to the Catholic Church they cannot transfer it to the Conciliar Church.”
And secondly our Blog’s number one FAN and ever loyal – ERIC from TORONTO, CANADA:
He said:
“The CHURCH is ALL that GOD ELECTS and its the ETERNAL EXTERNAL CHURCH comprised of ALL of the ELECT”
The Catholic Church and Eric share the same belief that there is an existing ETERNAL CHURCH, and that this church was NEVER APOSTATIZED, for it is the church established by Christ in the FIRST CENTURY, though they may differ in some point:
for the CATHOLIC CHURCH believed that the ETERNAL CHURCH is the CATHOLIC CHURCH,
for Eric, the ETERNAL CHURCH is not an EARTHLY CHURCH but a CHURCH continuously to exist in HEAVEN and those GOD’S ELECTED people were its members, so for him it is not an EARTHLY ORGANIZATION, anyone can be a member if God chose him or she to be a member, regardless of what they believed and what were their religion.
But the COMMON DENOMINATOR between the TWO is CLEAR, the CHURCH that was established by CHRIST never APOSTATIZED, for it is an ETERNAL CHURCH.
Here is now a BIG QUESTION…
Is there such thing as an ETERNAL CHURCH?
Was this phrase ever existed in the pages of the Holy Scriptures? Or let’s say we accept it that the phrase does not exist because it really doesn’t, but does any verse in the Bible at least can give us an idea that an ETERNAL CHURCH really does exist?
Does the Church Jesus Christ built in the First Century [33 A.D.] continued and really never was apostatized as what they believed? Can we really described that Church as ETERNAL?
What do you mean by the word ETERNAL?
Let us read from a dictionary:
ETER'NAL, adj. “Without beginning or end of existence.” [Webster’s 1828 Dictionary]
Very clear is the meaning of the dictionary regarding the word “ETERNAL” it means WITHOUT BEGINNING OR END OF EXISTENCE.
So in order for us to prove that there is an ETERNAL CHURCH we must prove first that the CHURCH of CHRIST mentioned in the Bible have NO BEGINNING and no END, if the Church passed these criterias then that’s the time we can conclude that there is really an existing ETERNAL CHURCH…
Does the Church mentioned in the Bible have no beginning?
Let us read:
Matthew 16:18 “And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” [American Standard Version]
So the first criteria to be identified as ETERNAL which means NO BEGINNING is not applicable to the CHURCH, because the CHURCH only existed right after it was built by Jesus Christ in the First Century. There is no Historical Record that a CHURCH ever existed prior to the time that it was built by Jesus in 33 A.D.
Can anyone prove that there is a Church existed before the time of Jesus? Go on Eric, and the Catholic Church is also welcome to respond.
Does the church really existed after it was built? A testimony from Jesus himself proved this:
Matthew 18:17 “And if he refuse to hear them, TELL IT UNTO THE CHURCH: and if he refuse to hear THE CHURCH also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.” [ASV]
See in Matthew 16:18, Christ built the Church, and in Matthew 18:17, Christ had proven that the Church that he built really does exist, by saying “TELL IT UNTO THE CHURCH”…a clear proof that there is an existing Church, otherwise he would not be saying that, would he?
It’s quite clear that the first criteria to be identified as ETERNAL which says “NO BEGINNING”, is not applicable to the Church, for the Bible proved that it has a beginning – it was built by Christ in 33 A.D. in Jerusalem, and prior to that it does not exist.
Let us now try to examine if the Church will pass the second criteria to be called “ETERNAL” – NO END…
Does the Church built by Christ have no ending?
First thing to do, is to know what is the Church mentioned in the Bible?
Apostle Paul has this to say:
Ephesians 1:23 “THE CHURCH IS CHRIST'S BODY and completes him as he fills everything in every way.” [God’s Word Bible]
Apostle Paul said that the Church is the BODY OF CHRIST, was the Church the literal body of Christ that was nailed and shed blood on the Cross? Of course not, for this is just a METHAPOR, because the CHURCH is just likened to Christ’s body.
Then who are the Church or the Body of Christ?
Apostle Paul will again reply to us:
1 Corinthians 12:27 “NOW YE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, AND MEMBERS IN PARTICULAR.”
1 Corinthians 12:28 “And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.” [King James Version]
The BODY which is also the CHURCH are the MEMBERS in particular. The CHURCH pertains to the MEMBERS for they are the BODY of Jesus Christ.
Since the CHURCH is the MEMBERS, were they ETERNAL? Do they have NO ENDING of EXISTENCE?
Well unless someone can prove to us that the MEMBERS were IMMORTALS, then go ahead…
Remember we’re talking about the FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS here, the ORIGINAL MEMBERS of the CHURCH or the BODY of CHRIST that is mentioned in the Bible.
Were they ETERNAL? Do they not have an ENDING? Remember the first to have became members of this Church were the APOSTLES, weren’t they ALL DEAD?
Can someone proved that up to this moment there were still among the ORIGINAL MEMBERS of the FIRST CENTURY CHURCH that are still alive?
Why we are asking this question? Because they said that the CHURCH built by CHRIST is an ETERNAL CHURCH, and in order to be considered as an ETERNAL CHURCH we must be able to prove that this CHURCH have NO BEGINNING and NO END OF EXISTENCE.
So if the MEMBERS of the BODY OF CHRIST which is the CHURCH OF CHRIST really has an ETERNAL EXISTENCE, where they are now? Can anyone tell us?
The UNDENIABLE FACT:
ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH OF CHRIST WHICH INCLUDE THE APOSTLES WERE CENTURIES DEAD ALREADY.
Can anyone object?
So there is no such thing as an ETERNAL CHURH, for the Church in the Bible HAVE A BEGINNING and HAVE AN ENDING of its EXISTENCE. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no way you can describe or call the Church ETERNAL…
For ETERNAL also means “FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING” as the ETERNAL GOD. And that is not the Church for it has a BEGINNING and an END...
There goes your ETERNAL CHURCH DOCTRINE Eric, goes directly down the drain…..
Does Jesus Christ really promised that the Church that he built will never Apostatized nor Perished?
But the CATHOLIC CHURCH will surely raise an eyebrow, and will say
“JESUS CHRIST have a promise that the CHURCH that he built will never PERISHED nor APOSTATIZED…and that is the CATHOLIC CHURCH, the ETERNAL CHURCH, since it’s still exists until today.”
And of course to prove that, they will use the Bible, and their favorite VERSE [Even Eric is using this VERSE] is Matthew 16:18 of which says:
Matthew 16:18 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” [Douay Rheims Version]
They said this is the promise of JESUS that his Church will never be APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED.
But does the VERSE actually said that? Try it folks read it over and over. Does that VERSE said that the CHURCH will never APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED?
What is meant by that VERSE as the GATES of HELL, what do that REPRESENT, does the GATES OF HELL also means APOSTASY?
Let us read the same VERSE from another version of the Bible:
Matthew 16:18 “So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The POWER OF DEATH will not be able to defeat my church.” [Easy to Read Version]
So it is clear that the GATES OF HELL stands for the POWER OF DEATH. But which kind of DEATH that is being referred to by Jesus Christ that will not prevail against his Church? Does this mean that the members or the Body of Christ will never die?
Because if the meaning of that passage is that the MEMBERS of CHRIST’S BODY or CHURCH will never die, so where they are now? Where are the APOSTLES and the FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS now, if they were still alive?
So it is quite clear and without doubt that Jesus was not referring to the DEATH which occurs when a person ENDS his BREATHING, but for the SECOND DEATH in the LAKE OF FIRE…
Revelations 21:8 “But cowardly, unfaithful, and detestable people, murderers, sexual sinners, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH." [GWB]
So Jesus is promising in Matthew 16:18 SALVATION to the Church, that the POWER of the SECOND DEATH in the LAKE of FIRE will not prevail against them,
in simple words:
“the MEMBERS of his CHURCH will not go to HELL, because he will save them”
That is really what that VERSE means.
And it’s indeed TRUE, that Jesus will save his CHURCH as Apostle Paul clearly testifies:
Ephesians 5:23 For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY.” [Good News Bible]
So Matthew 16:18 is not a promise that his Church will never PERISHED nor APOSTATIZED but the promise of SALVATION in JUDGMENT DAY…
He promised even the members DIED he will resurrect them:
John 11:25 “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, THOUGH HE DIE, YET SHALL HE LIVE;” [ASV]
We have clearly proven that the CHURCH that is mentioned in the Bible is not an ETERNAL CHURCH for IT HAS A BEGINNING, it was built by Christ in the FIRST CENTURY in JERUSALEM, and it has an ENDING for it’s ORIGINAL MEMBERS were all DEAD…
The NEXT POST will prove more that this Church has an ENDING for it’s TRUE MEMBERS had CEASED TO EXIST after the Death of the Apostles.
Also in My NEXT POST we will explain, what is the meaning of the word APOSTASY? Does the Church built by Christ never really was APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED?
What will happen to the people who lived to the period between 110A.D. to 1914A.D. The time where there was no TRUE CHURCH existed, and no TRUE TEACHINGS for there were no TRUE MESSENGERS from GOD, how they will be saved?
Does the membership of the Church in order to be saved also required or applicable to those people that had lived in that specific period of time?
We will answer all of these in our NEXT POST…
Brod Aerial pwede magtanong. Tanong ko lang kung ano ibig sabihin ng Juan 3:13. Sinasabi daw kc dyan na wala pang taong nakaakyat sa langit maliban kay Cristo. Salamat.
ReplyDeleteSabi mo Anonymous,
ReplyDelete“Brod Aerial pwede magtanong. Tanong ko lang kung ano ibig sabihin ng Juan 3:13. Sinasabi daw kc dyan na wala pang taong nakaakyat sa langit maliban kay Cristo. Salamat.”
Puntahan natin ang Juan 3:13,
Juan 3:13 “At WALANG UMAKYAT SA LANGIT, KUNDI ANG NANGGALING SA LANGIT, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Anak ng tao, na nasa langit.”
Ipagpaumanhin mo kapatid, pero walang sinasabi sa talata na si Cristo lang ang taong nakaakyat sa langit, ang sabi niya “WALANG UMAKYAT SA LANGIT, KUNDI ANG NANGGALING SA LANGIT”.
Kasi kung tatanggapin natin na sa talatang iyan ang ibig sabihin ay si Cristo lang ang taong nakaakyat sa langit, ay kokontrahin niyan ang talatang ito:
2 Hari 2:11 “At nangyari, samantalang sila'y nagpapatuloy, at nagsasalitaan, na narito, napakita ang isang karong apoy, at mga kabayong apoy, na naghiwalay sa kanila kapuwa; at SI ELIAS AY SUMAMPA SA LANGIT SA PAMAMAGITAN NG ISANG IPOIPO.”
Maliwanag na pinatutunayan ng talatang iyan na si Propeta Elias ay sumampa o umakyat sa Langit sa pamamagitan ng ipoipo.
Kaya hindi si Cristo lang ang nasa langit.
Ngayon balikan natin iyong banggit na NANGGALING SA LANGIT, ang pagkakaintindi ng mga naniniwalang Diyos si Cristo sa verse na iyan, diumano iyan daw ang katibayan na si Cristo ay meron ng PRE-EXISTENCE, o umiiral na siya bago pa siya ipanganak ni Maria. Sabi nila nasa LANGIT siya noon at BUMABA LANG SIYA sa Lupa para ipanganak ni Maria.
Iyong salitang NANGGALING SA LANGIT diyan ay isang uri ng METHAPOR, na ang Diyos ay inihalintulad sa LANGIT. Hindi ba madalas nating marinig ang mga salitang:
KUNG IPAHIHINTULOT NG LANGIT
BIGAY NG LANGIT
BIYAYA NG LANGIT
Na ang mga salitang iyan ay tumutukoy sa Diyos, dahil sa ang Diyos ay nasa langit.
Si Cristo man ay ginamit ang katagang iyan narito ang katibayan:
Marcos 11:30 “Ang bautismo ni Juan, ay MULA BAGA SA LANGIT, o sa mga tao? sagutin ninyo ako.”
Hindi ba maliwanag sa talatang iyan na ang tinutukoy ni Cristo ay ang Diyos kung saan nagmula ang utos ng pagbabautismo ni Juan Bautista?
Kaya ang ibig sabihin lamang ng sinabi ni Cristo na siya ay NANGGALING SA LANGIT ay NAGMULA o NANGGALING siya sa DIYOS, na ang ibig sabihin ay SINUGO siya ng Diyos. At sinabi talaga ni Cristo iyan:
Juan 8:42 “Sinabi sa kanila ni Jesus, Kung ang Dios ang inyong ama, ay inyong iibigin ako: SAPAGKA'T AKO'Y NAGMULA AT NANGGALING SA DIOS; SAPAGKA'T HINDI AKO NAPARITO SA AKING SARILI, KUNDI SINUGO NIYA AKO.”
Kaya ang sinomang SINUGO ng Diyos ay nagmula at nanggaling sa Diyos, at maaari siyang umakyat sa Langit, gaya nga ni Propeta Elias na sugo rin ng Diyos na ngayon nga ay nasa langit na rin.
As I said Eric I would have to delete your post because you are still BANNED to post here right? If I will not DELETE it, then I would be a GRAVE LIAR then I will no longer be different from you.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I did not misquote you regarding the different beliefs and religion thing, for you did said that to the message box when you are arguing with Christian…I guess your ALZHEIMERS is attacking you again…Hehehehehe.
But I will quote a portion of what you said:
”The ETERNAL CHURCH is NOT a PHYSICAL ENTITY like a BUILDING
thats why its so STUPID for you to comment on the PEOPLE
of COURSE the PEOPLE are NOT ETERNAL
The CHURCH which is SPIRITUAL is ETERNAL”
Just where in the Bible we can find what you just said up there, ha Eric?
There is no such thing as ETERNAL CHURCH, I think you didn’t read my Post properly as usual, of course you will never understand that, for you have a CLOSED MIND. What you want to believe is what you want to believe, you don’t care even if what I’ve just posted is supported by the Bible.
The Bible said very clearly:
1 Cor 12:27 “Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST, and MEMBERS in particular.” [KJV]
The BODY OF JESUS CHRIST = MEMBERS [Mortal Human Beings]
Are you trying to tell me that Apostle Paul is STUPID? For he testified that the BODY of Christ which is the Church [Col 1:18] were the PEOPLE which are the members?
See? You cannot even quote a passage from the Bible to prove your ETERNAL CHURCH, all you have were just as usual OPINION BASED STATEMENTS and not from the BIBLE. That’s why there is no way you can comply with my rules. So as a result I end up deleting all your posts. For there is no way you can show me VERSES if I ask you to show me verses regarding what you just said up there…
You said “THE CHURCH WHICH IS SPIRITUAL IS ETERNAL”
Where is that in the Bible? Another one of your imaginations again? Now you are adding a new Item to the stack of your INVENTED DOCTRINES, this time a SPIRITUAL CHURCH?
Are you trying to tell me that when Jesus said “I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH”, you mean to say he built TWO CHURCHES, one PHYSICAL and one SPIRITUAL? Hahahahahahaha That’s outrageous!!!!
As I said in order for the CHURCH to be called ETERNAL it SHOULD NOT HAVE a BEGINNING nor an ENDING? The Church was very clear has a beginning for it only existed after Christ built it in 33A.D. Unless you can prove to me that a CHURCH already existed during the Time of the OLD TESTAMENT then go ahead, let’s say at the time of MOSES, was there a Church existed? A SPIRITUAL CHURCH perhaps? Hehehehehehe….Dream on!!!
Aerial
ReplyDeleteTELL me this one wise one
Doesnt INC teach that GOD SAVED people who live in this SUPPOSED 1900 yrs of APOSTASY ??
Were not those PEOPLE of the BODY of JESUS in order to be SAVED??
If you say YES to the above question, then when INC says CHURCh is the BODY, that is CORRECT or NOT?
It can ONLY be a CORRECT statement if CHURCH is referring to ALL GOD ELECTED!
For argument sake instead of using the term ETERNAL.. lets SAY SPIRITUAL to understand the DEEPER meaning
CHRIST is building HIS CHURCH bY SAVING those that will be HIS BODY when HE paid for their SINS
THe POINT you ALWAYS ignore are the OTHERS saved OUTSIDE of the ones who MIGHT be SAVED through the TEACHINGs by an EARTHLY physical CONGREGATION
How did God save them ??
How did these PEOPLE learn of the WORD?
ANSWER: THROUGH the BIBLE
If JESUS is BUILDING HIS CHURCH and we know OTHERS are saved other than THROUGH a Congregation
Then CHURCH is NOT REFERRING to or LIMITED to
EARTHLY congregations
Thats where SPIRITUAL or EXTERNAL church comes in to play
Please dont give me that lame rebuttal of:
Where can we find SPIRITUAL church or ETERNAL
Brod pwedeng magtanong?
ReplyDeleteBAKIT NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA NA SA HULING ARAW DARATING ANG BULAANG PROPETA AT MAGPAPANGGAP BILANG ANGEL? MARAMI ANG MALILINLANG AT ANG MASAMA AY LALONG MAGPAPAKASAMA?
una, si F.Manalo ay self-proclaim na angel at huling sugo?
ikalawa, sabi ni christian dumadami ang miyembro nyo?
ikatlo, alam ng marami na nanlinlang kayo sa ginawa nyong pag-aaral ni Dr. Ryrie pero pilit nyong binabalewala?
katuparan ng hula sa biblia. hehehe
(kay joking isang lugar sa pilipinas marami duon anak ng foreigners at patotong kababaihan, bka hindi pa nila alam ang kanilang magulang tulungan mo sila)
Nakakatawa talaga itong si JANE oo, pero kahit anong style ng pagpapalit-palit ng IDENTITY ay alam na alam mo naman na siya rin iyon at dahil NAG-IISA lang naman siya sa kaniyang gimmick na ito.
ReplyDeletePagbibigyan kita ngayon JANE, HINDI KO BUBURAHIN ANG POST MO pero nais kong bigyan natin ng KASIYAHAN ang mga MAMBABASA at SUMUSUBAYBAY sa BLOG na ito, sa PAMAMAGITAN ng isang MAAYOS AT MAGANDANG TALAKAYAN, Umpisahan na natin JANE….
Bago ko sagutin ang mga itinatanong mo:
Sagutin mo muna ito:
1. Saan mababasa sa Biblia na sa Huling Araw ang BULAANG PROPETA ay MAGPAPANGGAP BILANG ANGHEL? Ibigay mo sa akin ang VERSE. Dahil kung wala kang maipapakitang VERSE, ibig sabihin niyan, ang sinasabi mong iyan ay gawa-gawa mo lang.
2. Kung hindi si Kapatid na Felix ang ANGHEL na binabanggit sa APOCALYPSIS 7:2-3, Let's say tanggapin na natin na hindi nga siya, SINO? Maaari mo bang sabihin sa amin kung sino iyon at ano PANGALAN nung ANGHEL na iyon?
3. Ang katibayan ba ng PAGIGING TUNAY ay ang PAGKAUNTI o PAGDAMI NG KAANIB? Kung katibayan iyan ng pagiging TOTOO, saan mababasa sa Biblia?
4. ANO ANG BINAGO NG INC SA GINAWANG PAG-AARAL NI DR. RYE? Pinatunayan ba ng INC na si DR. RYE ay hindi naniniwala na DIYOS si CRISTO?
Sagutin mo iyan, puwede ba patunayan mo sa amin na may alam ka sa mga isyung iyan na ipinupukol mo sa amin? Huwag kang basta-basta namumulot ng mga ISYU na hindi mo naman naiintindihan CARLONG JANE aka APOLEGIST.
Para sa kapakinabangan ng mga bumabasa.
PUWEDE BA PATUNAYAN MO MUNA SA AKIN NA MAY NALALAMAN KA SA MGA ISYUNG IYAN?
SAGUTIN MO ANG AKING MGA ITINATANONG.
Eric said:
ReplyDeleteTELL me this one wise one
Hahahaha, in one instance he called me an IDIOT, then this time he’s calling me WISE ONE. But I will be GENEROUS this time, for I will not DELETE your POST, so that the READERS would see, how you will respond to this ISSUE. Just make sure you will stick to the ISSUE, that’s one of MY RULES, don’t you ever forget that…
Doesnt INC teach that GOD SAVED people who live in this SUPPOSED 1900 yrs of APOSTASY ??
You really did not read my POST, did you, you look at the BOTTOM of the POST, didn’t I said these?
Also in My NEXT POST we will explain, what is the meaning of the word APOSTASY? Does the Church built by Christ never really was APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED?
What will happen to the people who lived to the period between 110A.D. to 1914A.D. The time where there was no TRUE CHURCH existed, and no TRUE TEACHINGS for there were no TRUE MESSENGERS from GOD, how they will be saved?
Does the membership of the Church in order to be saved also required or applicable to those people that had lived in that specific period of time?
I am planning to give a complete detailed explanation on that ISSUE in my Next POST, So you gonna have to wait for it OK?
Were not those PEOPLE of the BODY of JESUS in order to be SAVED??
Those people who lived between 110A.D. to 1914A.D. cannot be saved by the method taught by Jesus in JOHN 10:9, that requires a person to ENTER in HIM through the FOLD or FLOCK or the CHURCH [Acts 20:28] because there is no CHURCH that EXISTS during that time so they cannot be part of CHRIST’s BODY…a DIFFERENT RULE APPLIES TO THEM, and that I will explain my POST next time. But for now just to satisfy you, my answer is a big ‘NO”!!!!
For argument sake instead of using the term ETERNAL.. lets SAY SPIRITUAL to understand the DEEPER meaning
Yes for your OPINION sakes that TERM that you use matter, but for the TRUTH’s SAKE that is not in supported by the BIBLE. The CHURCH built by CHRIST is not SPIRITUAL nor ETERNAL. You could have just shown a VERSE instead of just explain with your own words if that’s in the Bible, am I right?
CHRIST is building HIS CHURCH bY SAVING those that will be HIS BODY when HE paid for their SINS
Do you THINK GOD devised ONLY A “SINGLE RULE” FOR ALL TIME? And that RULE is APPLICABLE for ALL HUMANS at ALL TIMES?
What do you think? In all the HISTORY of Humanity all the SINS of HUMAN BEINGS that GOD had chosen to be his TRUE SERVANTS will be all paid by JESUS?
Who paid the SINS of MOSES, ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, JOSEPH, DAVID, all the PROPHETS, and the ISRAELITES of the OLD TESTAMENT…where they members of CHRIST’S BODY? Where they members of his CHURCH? If they were, can you prove this BIBLICALLY by showing me VERSES?
See Next>
Brod aerial sususugan ko lang ang ukol sa talatang ito para dun sa nagtatanong:
ReplyDeleteJuan 3:13 “At WALANG UMAKYAT SA LANGIT, KUNDI ANG NANGGALING SA LANGIT, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Anak ng tao, na nasa langit.”
Nung sinabi po ni Cristo ang talatang iyan ay hindi pa siya umaakyat sa langit. Samakatuwid ay nasa lupa pa siya. Kaya hindi nila pwedeng sabihin na si Cristo pa lang ang umakyat sa langit sapagkat hindi pa siya umaakyat sa pagkakataong iyan. Paano po sasabihin na siya pa lang ang umaakyat kung hindi pa talaga siya umaakyat at siya ay nasa lupa pa? Lilitaw na si Cristo ay bumaba sa lupa at umakyat din agad sa langit bago niya sinabi ang Juan 3:13 pero wala tayong mababasa na ganon talata.
Kaya mali ang knilang pagkaunawa dahil pag tinanggap natin ang kanilang sinasabi ay tahasan nilang kokontrahin hindi lang ang 2HARI 2:11 maging ang sinabi ni Cristo sa Juan 20:17:
Juan 20:17 SND
"Sinabi ni Jesus sa kaniya: Huwag mo akong hawakan sapagkat HINDI PA AKO NAKAKAAKYAT sa aking Ama. Pumunta ka sa mga kapatid ko. Sabihin mo sa kanila na AKO AY PAIITAAS sa aking Ama at inyong Ama, sa aking Diyos at inyong Diyos."
Sa sinabi ni Cristo na hindi pa siya nakakaakyat sa pagkakataong iyan ay malinaw na mali ang pagkaunawa nila sa Juan 3:13 na si Cristo pa lang ang nakaakyat sa langit dahil lalabas na kinontra ni Cristo ang sinabi niyang ito dahil hindi pa pala siya nakakaakyat sa Ama. At hindi lang yun, lalabas na Sinungaling si Cristo sa sinabi niya.
Pero hindi ganon, bakit?
1 Pedro 2:22
"Hindi siya gumawa ng anumang kasalanan, o NAGSINUNGALING kailanman."
Kaya malaki ang problema nila sa Juan 3:13.
Nakakatuwa talaga itong mga NALILIGAW ng UNAWA.
ReplyDeletePinagUUTO UTO lang kasi sila ng kanilang mangangaral kaya kung ano ano nalang tinatanong. Di man lang nagSUSURI kung SAAN nababasa yun pinagtatanong niya my gulay.
So HUDAS. Hudas not KNOW.
You continuously shower me ERIC with your OPINION as you continue:
ReplyDelete”THe POINT you ALWAYS ignore are the OTHERS saved OUTSIDE of the ones who MIGHT be SAVED through the TEACHINGs by an EARTHLY physical CONGREGATION
How did God save them ??
How did these PEOPLE learn of the WORD?
ANSWER: THROUGH the BIBLE”
The people that lived during the period that there was NO TRUE CHURCH, NO TRUE MESSENGERS OF GOD, and NO TRUE TEACHINGS [110 -1914 A.D.], you cannot say that they are OUTSIDE of the CHURCH, because NO ONE WERE INSIDE THE CHURCH, for there was NO TRUE CHURCH AT ALL during that time, and the only church that exist were the CATHOLIC and PROTESTANT churches.
Jesus commanded us to ENTER his BODY, by ENTERING his FLOCK, the CHURCH OF CHRIST. How can anyone do that, if the CHURCH established by Christ during that time was nowhere to be found, or does not exist? Because it was APOSTATIZED…
The INC never ignore the TRUTH that they too also have a chance for SALVATION, but of course a DIFFERENT RULE applies to them, there is BIBLICAL PROOFS on this ERIC, and that I will show in my NEXT POST.
You said: they were saved by God because they learned the WORD through the Bible,
How this one is possible, Eric? Aren’t you not aware that during these period the Bible is not readily available unlike today? And that the Bible was being kept and locked by the Catholic Church, and despite the fact that it was brought out to the open by the PROTESTANTS that cost them their lives, still it is not readily available to the public not until later of the 19th Century. And having a Bible during that time is a CRIME, and also very EXPENSIVE…
My God the very first Bible that the FILIPINO has seen IN OUR OWN LANGUAGE was only from 1905.
Let say, some of them have the benefit of having one, you think they can learn it on their own?
The Bible said very clearly:
Romans 10:14 “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and HOW SHALL THEY HEAR WITHOUT A PREACHER?”
Romans 10:15 “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH, EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? even as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that bring glad tidings of good things!” [ASV]
Where they would listen to the TRUE WORDS of GOD Eric during those time, if there were NO TRUE MESSENGERS or TRUE PREACHERS of GOD in that period? So how they can learn the Bible?…there is no way you can learn the Bible on your own.
That’s why even you have the BIBLE in your hand during that time, it’s useless for there were no TRUE PREACHERS that will guide you and explain you its TRUE MEANING…
There were NO TRUE CHURCH, that’s why there is no where you can go and ENTER IN to become a member of CHRIST’s BODY…
That’s why GOD devised a SEPARATE and DIFFERENT SALVATION PLAN for this people…and that I will show in my NEXT POST…
Then you said lastly,
“Please dont give me that lame rebuttal of:
Where can we find SPIRITUAL church or ETERNAL”
I know you ERIC, if you cannot prove something TRUE, or you cannot REFUTE what I’ve just proven to be TRUE, your LAME EXCUSE and ESCAPE…
That’s MOOT! That’s LAME!
But the TRUTH is UNDENIABLE… there is no such thing as SPIRITUAL CHURCH nor ETERNAL CHURCH in the Bible…whether you admit that or not…That’s the TRUTH….
Those SAVED outside the CHURCH are STILL of the BODY of JESUS
ReplyDeleteNO way around that
When one knows God`s SALVATION plan he doesnt need EXCUSES and alibis and OTHER salvation plans
He doesnt need to DOUBLE talk and back track
For you its
The Church is the BODY of CHRIST
NO ONE OUTSIDE the Church can be SAVED
So lets put your THEORY to the test
There is an AFRICAn woman today living in a grass hut.. where INC missionaries NEVER visit or have any intention of expanding
SHE NEVER reads the BIBLe
CAn God SAVE her . simple YES or NO??
If you say YES:
Then that means INC teachings are FALSE
If you say NO
Then how did GOD , as you say, SAVE the millions and millions that lived during the SUPPOSED APOSTASY&??
You see once again AIRHEADRIAL (as you are known by on INC 54)
There is NO need for DIFFERENT salvation plans and EXCEPTIONS and BACKTRACKING and DOUBLETALKING
1. ONE CHURCH.. the SPIRITUAL EXTERNAL CHURCH.. the BODY of JESUS composed of the CALLED.. the CHOSEN.. THE ELECT
2. ONE BAPTISM
When JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOULs of SIN that were HIS BODY ... the ELECT
3. ONE FAITH.. JESUS
For ONLY HIS FAITH SAVED those of HIS BODY
Ps
yes i will be that fly on your ASS EVERY day
If you delete me here
Dont worry
CUTNPASTE boy LOUIE
hes CUTN PASTING all your GARBAGE on INC 54 for all to EXAMINE
if you had all of these so-called GREAT DEBATER ih the PHILLIPINES attributes like GUTS
you would post on there too
But we all know you are the TYPICAL BIGMOUTH coward
Like WHITE DRAGON says you are on his YOU TUBE videos
So if you dont like it
TOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get busy having me EXCOMMUNICATED out of the CULT
***COme on BIGMOUTH***
How many white guys in Toronto with wife as choir member can there be?? HA HA
then they can sue me on Judge JUDY lol!
YOU FREAKIN COWARD IDIOT!!
THIS OLD FOOL IS THROWING TANTRUMS AGAIN!...hahaha
ReplyDeleteBROD AC PAG DELETE MO KAY TATANG...
PAKI SAMA NA RIN ITO...TNX
Hurry up LOUIE
ReplyDeleteCUTNPASTE like a good little boy
Hurry up and post ANOTHER contradICKTION
The DICK part is RIGHT up your ALLEY
Ang mga mang uusig talaga pag hindi makaubra sa aral dadaanin nalang sa pamerersonal at panlalait. hihihi
ReplyDeleteLalo kong napatutunayang ang INC ay sa Diyos dahil ganyan din ang naransan ng mga lingkod ng Diyos kagaya ni Esteban:
Gawa 6:8-10 MB
"8 Pinagpala ng Diyos si Esteban at pinagkalooban ng kapangyarihan, kaya't nakakagawa siya ng maraming kababalaghan at himala sa harapan ng madla.
9 Minsan, NAKIPAGTALO SA KANIYA ang ilang kasapi ng sinagoga ng mga Pinalaya, na binubuo ng mga Judiong taga-Cirene, Alejandria, Cilicia, at Asia.
10 NGUNIT WALA SILANG MAGAWA SA KARUNUNGANG KALOOB NG ESPIRITU KAY ESTEBAN.
ANO ANG GINAWA NILA KAY ESTEBAN NUNG HINDI SIYA MATALO SA ARAL??
GAWA 6:11-13 MB
11 Kaya't lihim nilang sinulsulan ang ilang lalaki na magpatotoo laban sa kanya ng ganito, "Narinig naming nilalait niya si Moises at ang Diyos."
12 Sa gayon, naudyukan nilang magalit kay Esteban ang mga tao, ang mga pinuno ng bayan at ang mga tagapagturo ng Kautusan. Siya'y sinunggaban nila at dinala sa Sanedrin.
13 Nagharap sila ng mga sinungaling na saksi laban kay Esteban. Sinabi nila, "Ang taong ito ay walang tigil ng pagsasalita laban sa banal na Templo at sa Kautusan ni Moises."
HINDI NAMAN PLA KATAKATAKA KUNG BAKIT NGYAYARI DIN SA ATIN ANG GINAGAWA NG MGA MANG UUSIG KASI GANOON TALAGA PAG SA DIYOS KA. PAG HINDI KA NILA KAYA SA ARAL, SA IBANG PARAAN KA NILA AATAKIHIN.
MABUHAY ANG INC!
KAYO INUUSIG? KELAN? EH NAPAKAYAMAN NYO NA.
ReplyDeleteITO PARA MAUNAWAAN MO, SA HULING ARAW DARATING ANG BULAANG PROPETA AT MAGPAPANGGAP BILANG ANGHEL. SI F.MANALO SELF-PROCLAIMED HEHEHEHE
SA HULING ARAW MARAMI ANG MALILINLANG, SABI NG ISA PATOTONG MINISTRO, "TILA BAGA, NASASA ATIN ANG DIOS, SAPAGKAT TAYO AY DUMADAMI" HEHEHE MINISTRO NAMARIL NG MAGSASAKA
SA HULING ARAW MASAMA LALONG MAGPAPAKASAMA 'DR. RYRIE INIBA ANG PAG-AARAL HEHE
HUWAG MO ULIT POST SARILININ MO NALANG HEHEHE
LALONG LUMILITAW ANG PAGIGING SA DIYOS NG INC.
ReplyDeleteANG GINAGAWA NI JANE AY HINDI NA BAGO SA MGA CRISTIANO KAYA WAG NA TAYO MAGTAKA.
GAWA 13:44-45
"44 Nang sumunod na Araw ng Pamamahinga, halos lahat ng tao sa lunsod ay nagkatipon upang makinig sa salita ng Panginoon.
45 INGGIT NA INGGIT naman ang mga Judio nang makita nila ang napakaraming tao, kaya't NILAIT nila at SINALUNGAT si Pablo."
YUNG STYLE NI JANE AY STYLE DIN NG MGA KUMAKALABAN SA MGA UNANG CRISTIANO DAHIL SA INGGIT SA ATIN.
MABUHAY ANG INC!
Hindi kasi tayo kaya sa aral kaya tingnan ninyo kung paano siya umatake. hehehe. walang pinagkaiba sa mga inggiterong mang uusig nung unang siglo.
ReplyDeleteAt san mo nga naman mababasa sa biblia na meron bulaang propeta na magpapanggap na anghel??? Kaninong mangangaral mo napulot yun?? Ipakilala mo ng mapadoktrinahan at ng matuto ng aral.heheh kitang kita ng mga mambababasa kung anong samahan meron ka. hindi ka uubra sa aral ng INC.
Mabuhay ang INC.
So as expected, instead of REFUTING what we have shown from the Bible, ERIC as usual resorted back to his OPINIONS and UNBIBLICAL ASSUMPTIONS:
ReplyDeleteHe said:
“Those SAVED outside the CHURCH are STILL of the BODY of JESUS
NO way around that
When one knows God`s SALVATION plan he doesnt need EXCUSES and alibis and OTHER salvation plans”.
He clearly said as I quote again:
“THOSE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH are still of the BODY of JESUS CHRIST.”
Can you quote a passage from the Holy Scriptures that will support that assumption of yours. That even you are OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH you are still inside or member of CHRIST’s BODY? Hahahahaha. Just where is that in the Bible?
As I quote again from the Bible the TRUTH about the CHURCH:
Ephesians 1:23 “THE CHURCH IS CHRIST'S BODY and completes him as he fills everything in every way.” [God’s Word Translation]
And it’s very clearly said by Apostle Paul that God will Judge those that are outside of the Church:
1 Cor 5:12-13 After all, IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS TO JUDGE OUTSIDERS. GOD WILL JUDGE THEM. But should you not judge the members of your own fellowship? As the scripture says, "Remove the evil person from your group." [Good News Bible]
See how can you be outside of the Church and still be a member of Christ’s body. What you have just said here is not only NOT SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE but against the teachings of the Apostles and the Holy Bible itself.
If you put this in a simple logic:
CHURCH = CHRIST’S BODY
OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH = OUTSIDE OF CHRIST’S BODY
Even an ELEMENTARY STUDENT will not have difficulties in comprehending with that…
That is the most accurate Biblical analogy, and yours is a FALSE ASSUMPTION, and never will be supported by the Bible.
So you clearly stated here and said:
When one knows God`s SALVATION plan he doesnt need EXCUSES and alibis and OTHER salvation plans”.
Since you are displaying your WIT and UNPARALLELED KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM on the SALVATION PLAN of God, and you highly believed that there is ONLY ONE TYPE OF SALVATION PLAN that is applicable to all people at all time in HUMANITY. Kindly open your Bible and give us verses when you answer this question:
Does Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Noah, Joseph, Isaiah and all the patriarchs, and all the prophets, and the Israelites in the OLD TESTAMENT including JOHN THE BAPTIST, members of CHRIST’s BODY? Are they members of the CHURCH which is the BODY OF JESUS CHRIST? Prove your answer by showing BIBLICAL PASSAGES.
Remember I have given you RULES to comply…Fot this, RULE No. 6 is applicable, as I QUOTE:
6. If I ask you to show me a proof from the Bible, you will quote the passage as your answer, if you cannot show me the verse, you have to admit directly and say “It’s not in the Bible.”
So a simple equation I am giving you:
DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE RULES = DELETION OF YOUR POSTS
Don’t tell me that I didn’t warn you…
MABUHAY KA KAPATID NA AERIAL!
ReplyDeleteSalamat Kapatid na JEFFREY. Purihin ang Dios at Ama ng Panginoong Jesus.
ReplyDeleteAs Eric’s ranting continues:
”For you its
The Church is the BODY of CHRIST
NO ONE OUTSIDE the Church can be SAVED
So lets put your THEORY to the test
There is an AFRICAn woman today living in a grass hut.. where INC missionaries NEVER visit or have any intention of expanding
SHE NEVER reads the BIBLe
CAn God SAVE her . simple YES or NO??
If you say YES:
Then that means INC teachings are FALSE
If you say NO
Then how did GOD , as you say, SAVE the millions and millions that lived during the SUPPOSED APOSTASY&??”
My ANSWER is a BIG NO!!! and NO WAY!!!
She can’t be saved by GOD. Because the year 1914 onwards, is the time when there is a TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST, TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, and TRUE TEACHINGS or LAW of GOD. Therefore the commandment of Jesus to enter in him trough his Church is a must and the LAW that must be complied by anyone who is capable of doing so. This is similar to the time during the 33A.D. to 110 A.D. when the FIRST CENTURY CHURCH OF CHRIST still exists, and the Apostles and the Early Christians have became members.
Well the case is different if she lived during 110-1914 A.D. For as I told you a DIFFERENT RULE applies for the period when there is no TRUE CHURCH existed, so you cannot be a member of Christ’s Body. This is the time where God will save people even he or she is not physically a member of Christ’s body or his Church.
You said that the INC don’t have an intention of expanding or let me put in my words I think what you mean is the INC might not exert effort to reach all places that includes the remote places in the world, that will never be the case for the INC.
The INC will never stop doing its Job to PREACH the WORD of the LIVING GOD to all races of people and to all the places in the four corners of the earth.
See Next Post
Do you know why until now JESUS CHRIST hasn’t returned yet nor the end of the world or JUDGMENT DAY still not yet taking place?
ReplyDeleteThis is the reason:
Matthew 24:14 “And the GOOD NEWS I have shared about God's kingdom WILL BE TOLD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. IT WILL BE SPREAD TO EVERY NATION. THEN THE END WILL COME.” [Easy to Read Version]
As Jesus Christ foretold once the Good News have been preached or told throughout the world and was spread to every nation. THE END WILL COME
If the INC reached all the diverse places and all the countries that it is not yet able to reach now, and was able to preach the Gospel there, then as Jesus Christ promised THE END WILL COME.
So don’t worry Eric, for the INC is not stopping in spreading the TRUE TEACHINGS of God and our LORD JESUS CHRIST to all races of people in the world. We are assuring you, we will reach that woman and she will be able to hear the word of God, and all others in the MOST REMOTE AREAS in the WORLD. Then JESUS CHRIST as he promised us, will return with all the glory given to him by the FATHER, together with his angels and bring the members of his Church to where he is now…
John 14:2-3 “My Father's house has many rooms. If that were not true, would I have told you that I'M GOING TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU?” IF I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN. THEN I WILL BRING YOU INTO MY PRESENCE SO THAT YOU WILL BE WHERE I AM.” [God’s Word Translation]
The IGLESIA NI CRISTO will continue to do her Job to spread the NEWS of SALVATION to all people in the world, that is the mission of this church entrusted by Jesus Christ. For if she will not give warning to those that are bound to PERISH due to their FALSE BELIEFS, God will take revenge to this Church.
Ezekiel 3:18 “Suppose I tell you that wicked people will surely die, but YOU DON'T WARN THEM OR SPEAK OUT SO THAT THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR WICKED WAYS IN ORDER TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. Then these wicked people will die because of their sin, BUT I WILL HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DEATHS.” [GWT]
That’s why this Church will never ever stop, in reaching all the people in the world…to warn them about the DESTRUCTION that is about to happen to them outside the TRUE CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST in these last days – THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO…
GOD AIRHEADRIAL:
ReplyDeleteSo all of the PEOPLE of AFrica who have NEVER read the bible or seen a CHURCH of CHRIST are doomed for LAKE of FIRE??
ARE YOU KIDDING me??
** You contradict youself so much **
Is not the African lady in grass hut an Example of your:
ÀPART from THE LAW??
wont she be JUDGED according to your ILLOGIC that the LAW doesnt apply to her as she has NOT been PRIVY to the WORD??
MORE TRAPS I laid for you and once again you fell RIGHT into it!
I knew you would say NO to this HYPOTHETICAL example.. thats why i posed it to show how you CONTRADICT yourself
If the theory of NO LAW being aplicable to the 1900 yrs of supposed APOSTASY then the SAME RUle MUST apply to the tribes in AFRICA where YOUR SUPPOSED church doesnt REACH?
and by the WAY, if your are Indeed the TRUE CHURCH and its NOT REACHING countries like Africa through EXPANSION , whose fault is that??
That of an impoverished illiterate lady
Or YOUR ONE TRUE CHURCH??
and should she die WITHOUT INC reaching her with the WORD. she is DOONMED for lake of FIRE??
is that the same fate as of a 12 yr old boy who passes INC bible study but DIES BEFORE being WATER baptized
I shutter to think all of the gullible narrowminded holier-than-thou lost sheep of INC have been led astray by the likes of you and you FALSE CHURCH!!
God airheadrial
ReplyDeleteYES CHURCH = BODY
ANd OUTSIDE the CHURCH one wont be SAVED
NOT THE LOCAL CONGREGATION called CHURCH
Look CHURCH in the DICTIONARY
it has MANY meanings 2 of which are
1. One is a GATHERING place or HOUSE of WORSHIP
2. ALL those BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD
SO YES CHURCH = BODY
DEF NUMBER 2
THE SPIRITUAL EXTERNAL CHURCH
COMPRISED of
ALL that GOD CALLED
you want verses Ill give you VERSES
Romans 8:30
``moreover, whom HE(GOD) did `PREDESTINATE`, THEM(THE ELECT) HE(GOD) also `CAlled ànd whom HE `CALLED`, them (THE ELECT) HE `JUSTIFIED and GLORIFIED
God by being Omniscient omnipresent and OMNIPOTENT could look down the corridors of time and HE ELECTED or CHOSE a PEOPLE for HIM to be SAVED
These are the ELECT and God is NOt a respector of persons.. meaning be they trich or poor as the lady is. or white or blcak on smart or illiterate
He doesnt judge one by THEIR WORKS EITHER as God is CLEAR HE doesnt RECOGNIZE our WORKS being as either JUSTIFIED or RIGHTEOUS
ONLY GOD will JUSTIFY and GLORIFY man
So that lady in AFRICA has just a good a chance to be saved as someone who has had the PRIVY to the BIBLE.. the WORD
YOU and your CHURCH dont DETERMINE that by if one is a CHURCH member of WATER BAPTIZED
THE CHURCH is THOSE ELECT that GOD PREDESTINATED based on HIS KBNOWLEDGE of their HEART!!
http://pinoycourier.blogspot.com
ReplyDeletehttp://www.examineiglesianicristo.com
Mapagmalinis kayo kung manglibak ng ibang religion pero kahit kayo ay may bahong itinatago.
tandaan mo aerial na bago nyo tignan ang puwing ng mata ng iba dapat nyo munang unahin ang inyong mga mata.
hehehe huwag mo na itong ipost ulit si f.manalo lumilipad hehehe opo sya nga po mano po 3 the movie
Pabulaanan mo nalang mga sinasabi ng INC kung kaya mo. Kung saan saan blog mo kmi dinadala eh. Nagppromote ka lang ng blog para sumikat ka eh. hehehe.
ReplyDeleteYung mga blog na nilagay ni Jane ay blog ng isang TAKOT AT DUWAG. heheh ni hindi ka pwede magpost ng comment ng hindi pabor sa kanya dahil kelangan pa ng aprubal niya ang bawat comment.heheheh. Kahit madaming nakalagay na mali mali at hindi totoo eh wala kang magagawa kundi mgabasa nalang dahil hindi ka makakapag react. dahil alam niya na kapag nakapag comment tayo dun ay siguradong maiipit siya at baka maiihi sa salawal sa mga itatanong natin. hehehe
ReplyDeletepansinin nyo ang page na ito
http://pinoycourier.blogspot.com/2011/02/iglesia-ni-cristo-2010-most-admired.html#comment-form
may mababasa kayo na:
"Iglesia ni Cristo was founded by Felix Manalo during the 1940's"
Pagkatpos ay may nagcomment na kaalyado nila na:
"Wow, this article is well researched"
kaya nung nagcomment ako ng:
"Very well researched ba? San history ninyo nabasa ito: Iglesia ni Cristo was founded by Felix Manalo during the 1940's?"
Ang problema nung pinost ko yung comment eh lilitaw daw ang comment ko matapos ang pagaapruba. hehe nakakatawa talaga ang mga taktika nila. Takot na takot talaga.
Peace be with you..
INC ikaw, anong bang turo ng INC ang nasabi mong tama?
ReplyDeleteUna, kailan mo nasabing si f.manalo ang anghel na tinutukoy sa apocalysis? may katangian ba ang angel ng tunay na Dios na may bahid ng kaimmoralan?
www4.webng.com/emanalo/index3.htm
ito? bakit ito nagkalat sa internet kung totoong walang bahid si f.manalo ng kahit kaunting kasamaan na isang katangian ng tunay na anghel?
At paglilinaw lang, hindi ako ang may ari ng mga pinopost kong blog para paratangan mo ng pagdedelete ng comment.
ReplyDeletewww4.webng.com/emanalo/index3.htm
www.examineiglesianicristo.com
http://pinoycourier.blogspot.com
Iisa lang ang pinupunto ko, HUWAG KAYONG MAGMALINIS, MAY PUWING ANG INYONG MGA MATA :mula sa Mateo7:3
Jane said:
ReplyDelete"Una, kailan mo nasabing si f.manalo ang anghel na tinutukoy sa apocalysis? may katangian ba ang angel ng tunay na Dios na may bahid ng kaimmoralan?"
Sagot ko:
matagal ng nasagot ang isyung yan. yung sinasabi mong kaimoralan eh paratang mo lang yun.
dun sa tanong mo na "may katangian ba ang angel ng tunay na Dios na may bahid ng kaimoralan?"
tanong ba yan o conclusion???
wala ka yta sa katinuan eh. dapat ikaw ang sumagot niyan dahil ikaw ang nagpaparatang sa kapatid namin. patunayan mo muna na immoral ang kapatid bago ka magtanong ng ganyang tanong.
ang labo mo eh.hehehe
Dun sa tanong mo na
ReplyDelete"ano bang turo ng INC ang nasabi mong tama???
ang sagot ko:
LAHAT.
Pili ka nalang ng isa sa aral namin at pabulaanan mo kung kaya mo.
maganda, salamat sa pagresponde mo.
ReplyDeleteUna,saan nakabatay ang inyong pananampalataya para masabing nasa tama kayo?
Sa biblia. Next?
ReplyDeleteAnd so the ranting continues:
ReplyDelete“God airheadrial
YES CHURCH = BODY
ANd OUTSIDE the CHURCH one wont be SAVED
NOT THE LOCAL CONGREGATION called CHURCH
Look CHURCH in the DICTIONARY”
So the WISE Eric who has an UNPARALLELED KNOWLEDGE about GOD’S SALVATION PLAN instead of opening his Bible and take his answers from there, based his beliefs from the DEFINITION given by a DICTIONARY [A MAN MADE BOOK BASED ON HUMAN WISDOM], no wonder he cannot show us any BIBLE VERSE to support his beliefs.
What the Bible said about this method of basing our faith in HUMAN WISDOM?
1 Cor 2:4-5 “And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: THAT YOUR FAITH SHOULD NOT STAND IN THE WISDOM OF MEN, BUT IN THE POWER OF GOD.” [American Standard Version]
What will happen then for example we are still living in a time where a DICTIONARY does not yet exist, what would you use to prove your BELIEFS?
Why? Do all MAKERS of DICTIONARIES unanimously AGREES with the definition that you are choosing?
Will you be kind enough to tell me WHAT DICTIONARY you are quoting? Was it WEBSTER’S? Is Webster a GREEK SCHOLAR? Would you mind answering that?
As you can see WEBSTER even defined the word CHURCH as the CATHOLIC CHURCH…
CHURCH, n.
“The collective body of Christians, or of those who profess to believe in Christ, and acknowledge him to be the Savior of mankind. In this sense, THE CHURCH IS SOMETIMES CALLED THE CATHOLIC OR UNIVERSAL CHURCH.” [Webster’s 1828 Dictionary]
For simple definition of words, yes a dictionary is ever reliable, but for RELIGIOUS TERMS a dictionary cannot be used right away without examining it, especially if the author injects his own beliefs and opinions to certain word’s meaning, like what WEBSTER have just done with his definition of the word “CHURCH”.
A dictionary’s definition in a religious sense will only be valid as long as it does not CONTRADICTS ANY TEACHINGS written in the Bible.
BIBLIA, iisa lang di ba?
ReplyDeleteIisa ang reference pero meron 200 thousand secta and cult. Lahat sila nagsasabi na nakabatay ang kanilang pananampalataya sa biblia kaya sila ang TAMA.
Lahat itong 200 thousand secta at cult ay umaangkin na sila ang tama. Ilan ba ang TAMA?
Ang tinatanong ng mo ay kung saan nakabase ang AMING pananampalataya kaya ang sagot ko:
ReplyDelete"biblia"
Wala akong sinabi na lahat ng relihiyon ay Tama. Ikaw lang may sabi nun hindi ako. Problema mo na yun kung nagsasabi man sila na sila ang tama.
Ito sisimplehan ko para maintindihan mo:
ReplyDeleteHindi ko sinabing lahat ng 200 thousand secta at cult ay TAMA, ang sabi ko Lahat sila nagsasabing sila ang TAMA.
Sabi nila, Nakabase rin ang kanilang pananampalataya sa biblia.
Kaya ang tanong ko, ilan ba ang TAMA? nais ko sa iyo mismo manggaling ang sagot.
Wala din akong sinabing lahat ng secta na nakabase sa biblia ay tama. Sinagot ko lang ang basehan ng AMING pananampalataya. kya sagot ko : biblia
ReplyDeleteDun sa pangalawang tanong mo ang sagot ko:
Isa. Next?
Salamat.
ReplyDeleteBiblia at iisa ang Katotohanan(iisa lang ang TAMA).
Kung nakabase ang inyong pananampalataya sa biblia, ang lahat ng wala sa biblia ay mali or maling turo?
Iisa lang ang tama. May mga tao lang na binibigyan ng maling kahulugan ang biblia kaya dumami ang iba ibang paniniwala sa biblia.
ReplyDelete2 Pedro 3:16 MB
"Sa lahat ng sulat niya tungkol sa paksang ito, ganito ang lagi niyang paalala. Kaya lang, ang ilang bahagi sa kanyang mga sulat ay MAHIRAP UNAWAIN, at BINIBIGYAN NG MALING KAHULUGAN ng mga mangmang at magugulo ang pag-iisip. GANYAN DIN ANG KANILANG GINAGAWA SA IBANG MGA KASULATAN, kaya nga't ipinapahamak nila ang kanilang sarili."
kaya dun sa tanong mo na
ReplyDeleteKung nakabase ang inyong pananampalataya sa biblia, ang lahat ng wala sa biblia ay mali or maling turo?
ang sagot ko:
Hindi porke nakasulat ay tama mna agad. kahit pa ang tinuturo nila ay nasa biblia ay hindi masasabing tama yun. Depende yun kung tama ang interpretasyon sa biblia. dahil kahit ang diablo ay gumagamit din ng biblia.
Mateo 4:5-6 MB
"Pagkatapos, dinala siya ng diyablo sa Jerusalem, ang banal na lunsod, at pinatayo sa taluktok ng Templo. Sinabi nito sa kanya, "Kung ikaw ang Anak ng Diyos, magpatihulog ka, sapagkat NASUSULAT,...
Napakaganda.
ReplyDeletesubalit ang katanungan ko ay ganito:
"sa lahat ng sulat nya.." samakatuwid ang tinutukoy nya ang mga sulat ni Pablo at wala itong kinalaman sa iba pang sulat ng mga kristyano tulad ni lukas, mateo, marcos atbp.
Saan ba sa Biblia mababasa na kung wala sa biblia ito ay MALI? (ibig kong sabihin, magpakita ka ng verse na nagsasabing ang biblia lamang ang batayan ng tamang turo)
jane said:
ReplyDeletesubalit ang katanungan ko ay ganito:
"sa lahat ng sulat nya.." samakatuwid ang tinutukoy nya ang mga sulat ni Pablo at wala itong kinalaman sa iba pang sulat ng mga kristyano tulad ni lukas, mateo, marcos atbp.
INC AKO said:
bakit mo pinutol yung parteng ito sa sinipi kong talata???
"...GANYAN DIN ANG KANILANG GINAGAWA SA IBANG MGA KASULATAN,..."
masama yan binabawan mo ang talata.
Apoc. 22:19 MB
"Ang sinumang mag-alis ng anuman sa mga propesiyang naririto ay aalisan naman ng Diyos ng karapatan sa bunga ng punongkahoy na nagbibigay-buhay at sa Banal na Lunsod na binabanggit dito."
(some clarification, Hindi ako si Jane)
ReplyDeleteOk. maayos at naikita mo ang nais kong ipakita. ANG IBANG MGA KASULATAN ito ang nais kong bigyan ng diin.
"..SA LAHAT NG SULAT NYA,.."
"..GINAGAWA SA IBANG MGA KASULATAN.."
Ibabalik ko ang tanong, anong mga ibang kasulatan ang tinutukoy ni Pedro?
Ipagpaumanhin mo.Meron kasing laging nagcocoment dito na walang ginagawa kundi manira lang.
ReplyDeleteAnonympus din ang ginagamit niya.
Dun sa salitang;
"...sa lahat ng sulat niya..."; tumutukoy sa LAHAT ng sulat ni Pablo.
dun naman sa;
"...sa IBANG mga kasulatan..." hindi na yun tumutukoy sa sulat ni Pablo dahil binanggit na yung salitang LAHAT sa unahan. Ito ay ibang kasulatan na ng biblia.
May mga talata kasi ang biblia na gumagamit ng General terms. Halimbawa yung magdidigmaan sa Mateo 24:6-7 eh hindi na binangit kung ano anong mga bansa ang kasali dun. Ang binanggit lang dun ay mglalaban ang bansa sa bansa.
Ok,
ReplyDeleteito po ang nais kong maipakita. ang sabi ni Pedro
"..sa ibang mga kasulatan."
at para sa iyo ito na yung ibang kasulatan na ng biblia tulad ng four gospels, epistles, atbp sa madaling salita lahat ng mga aklat na nakapaloob sa biblia sa kasalukuyang panahon.
Ang tanong ko ay ganito, nung isulat ba ni Pedro (2 Pedro 3:16) ang epistle nyang ito naisulat na ba ang apocalysis, 1-3 John, o sa pinaikling salita MAY NEW TESTAMENT NA BANG NABABASA ANG MGA SINAUNANG KRISTIYANO?
(mangyari lamang po na huwag tayong magreply hanggat wala pang post reply ang isa sa atin, medyo delay ang posting baka magkalituhan)
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete"at para sa iyo ito na yung ibang kasulatan na ng biblia tulad ng four gospels, epistles, atbp sa madaling salita lahat ng mga aklat na nakapaloob sa biblia sa kasalukuyang panahon"
Lilinawin ko lang;
Una, hindi ko sinabi na yung salitang "...ibang mga kasulatan..." ay tumutukoy sa LAHAT ng kasulatan.
Ito ang aking sinabi;
"...sa IBANG mga kasulatan..." hindi na yun tumutukoy sa sulat ni Pablo dahil binanggit na yung salitang LAHAT sa unahan. Ito ay ibang kasulatan na ng biblia."
Hindi mo pwedeng itanong sa akin yung hindi ko sinabi.
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ReplyDeleteYou just said Eric that the word Church IS NOT the LOCAL CONGREGATIONS according to your dictionary. But there are dictionary that are saying that the word “CHURCH” is in fact a RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION.
“Church in Greek is “Ekklesia”
G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see'-ah
“From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially A RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION…” [Strong’s Greek Dictionary]
And of course this definition of this dictionary is agreed by the Bible, for it is clear that the members of the Church in the Bible is in a CONGREGATION.
Hebrews 2:12 “saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the CONGREGATION will I sing thy praise.” [ASV]
My Definition is both agreed by a GREEK DICTIONARY and the BIBLE…
For if the EARLY CHRISTIANS were not members of a CONGREGATION or a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION how they were supposed to do this?
Acts 2:46 “Day after day THEY MET AS A GROUP IN THE TEMPLE, and they had their meals together in their homes, eating with glad and humble hearts,” [Good News Bible]
They are conducting their worship to God as a GROUP for they met at the TEMPLE as a GROUP. So the EARLY CHRISTIANS who were members of the CHURCH or CHRIST’s BODY are undeniably in a CONGREGATION or a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION which was administered by the Apostles in the FIRST CENTURY. Even non INC’s is agreeing with this BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL FACT. And only few like you is denying this reality, of course just to imposed your own understanding and interpretation.
Of course we cannot deny the truth that the members of the CHURCH are people who BELONGS TO GOD, Jesus testifies that the members of His Church is also of God.
John 17:9 "I pray for them. I'm not praying for the world but FOR THOSE YOU GAVE ME, BECAUSE THEY ARE YOURS.” [GWT]
because they are the TRUE BELIEVERS joined in a SINGLE ORGANIZATION. And not scattered in DIFFERENT SECTS or DENOMINATIONS. For if they weren’t joined as ONE GROUP how in the world could they possibly obey this command?
1 Cor 1:10 “Brothers and sisters, I encourage all of you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER AND NOT TO SPLIT INTO OPPOSING GROUPS. I WANT YOU TO BE UNITED IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND OPINIONS.” [GWT]
So the TRUE GOD’s ELECTED PEOPLE are UNITED in their UNDERSTANDING and OPINIONS, and they are not in OPPOSING GROUPS, for they Think and Speak as ONE [See the same verse in the KJV].
So if you believed that you Eric belongs to GOD’s ELECTED PEOPLE, would you mind telling me how can you comply with that verse that I just quoted? Would you mind telling me what GROUP do you belong and how do you practice UNITY among yourselves?
//Ito ay ibang kasulatan na ng biblia//
ReplyDeleteMaaari mo bang bigyang linaw ang iyong katagang ito?
Lilinawin ko lang:
ReplyDeleteYung sinabi ko ay walang LAHAT dahil kung sasabihin natin yun ay lilitaw na dinadagdagan natin ang biblia dahil ang banggit lang dun ay ibang mga kasulatan. Hayaan natin ang biblia ang magsabi.
Pero ano ba yung mga kasulatan na yun na binabanggit ni Pedro.
2 Pedro 3:1 MB
"Mga minamahal, ito ang ikalawang sulat ko sa inyo. Sa dalawang sulat na ito ay sinikap kong gisingin ang malinis ninyong isipan sa pamamagitan ng pagpapaalala ng ilang mga bagay."
Ano yung mga bagay na yun na pinapaalala ni Pedro?
2Pedro 3:2 SND
"Ito ay upang lagi ninyong ALALAHANIN ang mga salitang SINABI NG MGA BANAL NA PROPETA noong una pa at ang mga UTOS NG PANGINOON at Tagapagligtas sa pamamagitan namin na mga APOSTOL."
Yung sinabi ng mga propeta at mga utos ng panginoon sa pamamagitan ng mga apostol ang binabanggit ni PEDRO.
Siguro naman alam mo na kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng salitang
"...SINABI NG MGA BANAL NA PROPETA..."
at
"...UTOS NG PANGINOON...SA PAMAMAGITAN NAMIN NA MGA APOSTOL..."
Kaya pagdating sa 16 DUN NA BINANGGIT YUNG SALITANG IBANG MGA KASULATAN O HINDI SULAT NI PABLO KUNDI IBANG KASULATAN NA NG BIBLIA.
2 Pedro 2:16 MB
"Sa lahat ng sulat niya tungkol sa paksang ito, ganito ang lagi niyang PAALALA. Kaya lang, ang ilang bahagi sa kanyang mga sulat ay mahirap unawain, at binibigyan ng maling kahulugan ng mga mangmang at magugulo ang pag-iisip. Ganyan din ang kanilang ginagawa sa ibang mga Kasulatan, kaya nga't ipinapahamak nila ang kanilang sarili."
Dun sa anonymous na kausap ko, pagpaumanhin mo pero kelangan ko ng umalis. magpost ka lang dito. pag nagka oras ako ay muli kong sasabutin.
ReplyDeletePagapalain ka ng Dios.
Pagpapala rin ng Dios ay sumaiyo.
ReplyDelete//Yung sinabi ng mga propeta at mga utos ng panginoon sa pamamagitan ng mga apostol//
Sa unang paalala ito ay patungkol sa "..SINABI NG MGA PROPETA.."
Ang lahat ba ng sinabi ng mga propeta ay naisulat o naitala?
Sa ikalawang paalala, ito ay patungkol sa "...UTOS NG PANGINOON...SA PAMAMAGITAN NAMIN NA MGA APOSTOL..."
Ang lahat ba ng utos ng Panginoon..sa pamamagitan nilang mga apostol ay naisulat o naitala?
Ang kasagutan ko sa dalawang katanungang ito ay HINDI.
Una: (isang halimbawa)Matt.2:23"Siya ay dumating at tumira sa isang lungsod na tinatawag na Nazaret. Sa ganito natupad ang sinabi ng mga propeta:
Siya ay tatawaging taga-Nazaret."
(Malinaw sa verse na ito na "sinabi ng mga propeta")
IBIGAY MO SA AKIN KUNG SAAN SA LUMAN TIPAN KO MABABASA NA SINABI NG MGA PROPETA ANG KATAGANG ITO?
Ikalawa: Gawa 20:35 "Nagpakita ako ng halimbawa sa inyo sa lahat ng mga bagay. Sa ganitong pagpapagal ay dapat kayong sumaklolo sa mahihina. Dapat ninyong alalahanin ang salita ng Panginoong Jesus na siya rin ang maysabi:
Lalo pang pinagpala ang magbigay kaysa tumanggap.
(Malinaw sa verse na ito na turo ito ng Panginoon sa pamamagitan ng mga Apostol)
IBIGAY MO SA AKIN KUNG SAAN SA APAT NA GOSPEL KO MABABASA NA SINABI NI JESUS ANG KATAGANG ITO?
MALINAW SA BIBLIA NA MAY MGA NAITURO ANG HINDI NAISULAT BAGKUS NAIPASA SA PAMAMAGITAN NG BIBIGANG MENSAHE:(Halimbawa 2Juan1:12)
"Maraming bagay akong isusulat sa inyo ngunit hindi ko ibig na isulat sa pamamagitan ng papel at tinta. Umaasa akong makapariyan sa inyo at makausap kayo ng mukhaan upang malubos ang ating kagalakan."
NAPAKALINAW, MARAMI PANG BAGAY NA ITUTURO PERO HINDI NA NAISULAT SA PAPEL AT TINTA DAHIL NAIS NYANG MAKAUSAP NG PERSONAL.
SAAN SA BIBLIA MAKIKITA NA ANG BIBLIA LAMANG ANG BATAYAN NG KATOTOHANAN?
Part 3>
ReplyDeleteThere are TWO POSTS before this that you need to read first Eric, SCROLL UP…
In ERIC’s effort to prove Biblical his own personal belief, a poor attempt was made by Eric to prove his OPINION BASED DOCTRINE regarding the SPIRITUAL EXTERNAL CHURCH that he assumed to be supported by the Bible:
He used this passage:
Romans 8:30
``moreover, whom HE(GOD) did `PREDESTINATE`, THEM(THE ELECT) HE(GOD) also `CAlled ànd whom HE `CALLED`, them (THE ELECT) HE `JUSTIFIED and GLORIFIED
Does this verse say that the one called by GOD which He justified and glorified is a member of the SPIRITUAL EXTERNAL CHURCH? Is there such thing as an EXTERNAL CHURCH?
There is nothing wrong with this verse, if there is something wrong is Eric’s interpretation of this passage. It is clearly written in the Bible that those people called are those He justified and Glorified, and I have no objection that these were the ones ELECTED by God to be his people.
But who are those ELECTED PEOPLE Apostle Paul is referring to here in this particular passage which according to him, were called by God? We will just read verse 1 from the same chapter:
Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to THEM THAT ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.” [ASV]
See? Very clearly stated by Apostle Paul, who are those he is referring to, they are the PEOPLE who are IN CHRIST JESUS.
And he further emphasized that a person who is called by God, will be brought into one Body.
Col 3:15 “Also, let Christ's peace control you. GOD HAS CALLED YOU INTO THIS PEACE BY BRINGING YOU INTO ONE BODY. Be thankful.” [GWT]
It is very clear that after you were called you will become a member of CHRIST’S BODY of course the CHURCH [ Col 1:18]. Therefore Apostle Paul is referring to the TRUE CHRISTIANS, those which are members of the CHURCH OF CHRIST.
And what is God’s method in calling them, what instrument He use?
2 Thess 2:14 “whereunto HE CALLED YOU THROUGH OUR GOSPEL, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” [ASV]
So the method or instrument used by God to call his people that became members of Christ’s Body is through the GOSPEL or by means of the WORD OF GOD.
Can anyone have faith by simply reading the WORD of GOD written in the Bible?
Romans 10:17 “So FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE, and THE MESSAGE THAT IS HEARD IS WHAT CHRIST SPOKE.” [GWT]
So by merely reading the Bible no one would be able to develop a TRUE FAITH, so as the AFRICAN LADY you’re talking about, for she needs to HEAR or LISTEN to the TRUE TEACHINGS of JESUS written in the Bible.
See Part 4>
Part 4>
ReplyDeleteFor if she will not be able to know and follow the TEACHINGS of JESUS she can never be a TRUE DESICIPLE or SERVANT of Christ, therefore she can never be a TRUE CHRISTIAN.
John 8:31 “Jesus told the people who had faith in him, "IF YOU KEEP ON OBEYING WHAT I HAVE SAID, YOU TRULY ARE MY DISCIPLES.” [CEV]
But from whom she should LISTEN?
Romans 10:14-15 “How can people have faith in the Lord and ask him to save them, if they have never heard about him? AND HOW CAN THEY HEAR, UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS THEM? AND HOW CAN ANYONE TELL THEM WITHOUT BEING SENT BY THE LORD? The Scriptures say it is a beautiful sight to see even the feet of someone coming to preach the good news.” [GWT]
See? How can anyone have faith in JESUS if they are not able to HEAR the WORD of GOD about him? how can they HEAR it if there is no one around to tell them or preach them the Bible? And how can they tell or preach the message if they are not SENT or they are not a MESSENGER of the LORD?
So if we’re talking about the period when there are TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD that EXIST and a TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST also EXIST, similar to the time when Jesus was still here on Earth and also the Apostles were still alive during the First Century. Will anyone be excused by this requirement?
How many knew about Jesus and believed in him during the First Century?
I know Eric, that you are aware that there are already a multitude of people on earth during Jesus time. But how many only knew and believed in him? The early Christians were just a small group of people during that time of which Christ called a “SMALL FLOCK” [Luke 12:32], but does Jesus Christ said?
“OK THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW ME ARE EXCUSED AND I WILL STILL PAY FOR THEIR SINS.”
Was that Jesus Christ statement? Read this from Jesus’ own words:
John 8:24 “That is why I said YOU WILL DIE WITH YOUR SINS UNFORGIVEN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH IN ME FOR WHO I AM, YOU WILL DIE, AND YOUR SINS WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN." [CEV]
See Part 5>
Part 5>
ReplyDeleteThere is no EXCEPTION if there is a TRUE CHURCH that has a mission to preach the TRUE TEACHINGS about JESUS. Because when the time Jesus said that, there is a TRUE CHURCH that exists, and there are TRUE MESSENGERS that were preaching the WORD of GOD.
Unless a person who is a SINNER hears the TRUE WORDS of GOD and accept them from a TRUE PREACHER or a MESSENGER of GOD, that SINNER will surely die for his sins, and as JESUS said he will not be forgiven, because He will not pay for their sins.
Now do you BLAME the APOSTLES for not telling the word about Jesus to the whole world during their time, because they were not able to? Can you blame them?
So if the AFRICAN LADY dies without hearing the WORDS of GOD, from the TRUE PREACHER or a TRUE MESSENGER because the INC never reached her. It was nobody’s fault, it was her destiny.
I’m pretty sure if she do not know about Jesus and the Bible, she is not a CHRISTIAN, and perhaps she is worshipping other Gods, and that made her of no differ from the BUDHIST MONKS in the MOUNTAINS of TIBET who are totally ISOLATED from the world, for God will not save because they do not know Jesus and the Bible, and also they are IDOLATERS which GOD heavily condemns.
As I told you, if the AFRICAN LADY lived during 110-1914A.D. then that is another story…for which I promised to discuss in my NEXT POST…
God bless to all brethrens in Christ, and may God bestow His Mercy to those who do not know or do not accept His TRUTH…and Open their minds, hearts, and souls to this Light…
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1. Church on EARTH
ReplyDeletemath 18:20
``Where 2 or 3 of you are GATHERED together . there I(JESUS) am in the midst of them``
Thats one case of the 2 where CHURCH is referenced in the GOSPELS
Who does the GATHERING? JESUS does
the other reference to CHURCH in the GOSPELS is of course the one VENTALACION knows so well
Mathew 16:18
This of course is NOT referencing the CATHOLIC church or any EARTHLY congregation but the EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH of which the GATES of HELL will NOT PREVAIL!!
You see Aerial CHURCH is NOT confined or LIMITED to MAN`s INTERPRETATION of it , anymore than MAN`s Interpretation of ADULTERY
JESUs says even if 2 or 3 are GATHERED HE will be there in SPIRIT
So THERES your ANSWER from the BIBLe as to what I do or BELONG to
a more popluar term for that is FELLOWSHIPPING
TRUE CHRISTIANS come together like myself and 2 TRUE CHRISTIANs and read the BIBle and GOD will open OUR SPIRITUAL eyes and ears to the TRUTH with the PRESENCE of the HOLY SPIRIT... if HE so chooses to do so!!
2. SO let me get this straight
If an ATOMIC BOMB lands tomorrow in say GHANA where no Iglesia Ni Manalo has been established, all of those who INC NEVER reached are DOOMED for LAKE of FIRE?
This is so WRONG on many counts:
1. FIRST you have NO IDEA if those people have been PRIVY to the BIBLE by some OTHER means
2. YOU AERIal and your POMPOOUS HOLIer-than-THOU CHURCH DO NOT PLACE LIMITATIONS on what GOD can do!
God said
``I will HAVE MERCY UPON who I HAVE MERCY UPON``
This means you donT CONTROL THE FATE of a PERSONs DESTINY because your 99% PINOY church doesnt have the MOTIVATION to ENTER a COUNTRY that doesnt have a well-established PINOY base
as a side note:
name me one lOCALE who has MEMBERSHIP of more than 25% NON-PINOY??
ANSWER: you CAN NOT!!
so since GOD is the ONE who makes the DECISION of whom the BODY of JESUS is lADEn with their SINS as ONLY GOD knows the HEART of man and WHETHER said PERSON has REPENTED up to the STANDARDS of GOD,
You have NO IDEA if that African LADY or ANYONE for that matter is SAVED or NOT
YOU and your FALSE CHURCH dont make DECISIONs and arrive at CONCLUSIONs as to the FATE of MAN!!
GOD ONLY DOES!!!
//Ang lahat ba ng sinabi ng mga propeta ay naisulat o naitala?//
ReplyDeleteSAGOT: Hindi naman sinabi ni Pedro na "... LAHAT ng Sinabi ng mga propeta..."
ang banggit lang dun ay "...sinabi ng mga banal na propeta..."
Dahil kung ano lang ang sinalita ng Dios sa kanila ang sinusulat ng mga propeta.
HALIMBAWA:
Jeremias 30:2 “Ganito ang sinasalita ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, na nagsasabi, IYONG ISULAT SA ISANG AKLAT ang LAHAT NG MGA SALITA NA AKING SINALITA SA IYO.”
Isaias 30:8 “Ngayo'y yumaon ka, isulat mo sa harap nila sa isang tapyas na bato, at ititik mo sa isang aklat upang manatili sa panahong darating na walang hanggan.”
//Ang lahat ba ng utos ng Panginoon..sa pamamagitan nilang mga apostol ay naisulat o naitala? Ang kasagutan ko sa dalawang katanungang ito ay HINDI.//
SAGOT: Dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol.
//Gawa 20:35 "Nagpakita ako ng halimbawa sa inyo sa lahat ng mga bagay. Sa ganitong pagpapagal ay dapat kayong sumaklolo sa mahihina. Dapat ninyong alalahanin ang salita ng Panginoong Jesus na siya rin ang maysabi:
Lalo pang pinagpala ang magbigay kaysa tumanggap.
(Malinaw sa verse na ito na turo ito ng Panginoon sa pamamagitan ng mga Apostol)
IBIGAY MO SA AKIN KUNG SAAN SA APAT NA GOSPEL KO MABABASA NA SINABI NI JESUS ANG KATAGANG ITO?//
SAGOT: Hindi mo pa ba siguro nababasa ito:
Lucas 6:35
"Sa halip, mahalin ninyo ang inyong mga kaaway at gumawa kayo ng mabuti. MAGPAHIRAM KAYO na hindi umaasa ng anumang kabayaran. Sa gayon, MALAKING GANTIMPALA ANG TATAMUHIN NINYO., at kayo'y magiging mga anak ng Kataas-taasang Diyos."
At
Mateo 25:34-40 (Mahaba ang talata para ilagay dito)
//MALINAW SA BIBLIA NA MAY MGA NAITURO ANG HINDI NAISULAT BAGKUS NAIPASA SA PAMAMAGITAN NG BIBIG ANG MENSAHE:(Halimbawa 2Juan1:12)
"Maraming bagay akong isusulat sa inyo ngunit hindi ko ibig na isulat sa pamamagitan ng papel at tinta. Umaasa akong makapariyan sa inyo at makausap kayo ng mukhaan upang malubos ang ating kagalakan."
NAPAKALINAW, MARAMI PANG BAGAY NA ITUTURO PERO HINDI NA NAISULAT SA PAPEL AT TINTA DAHIL NAIS NYANG MAKAUSAP NG PERSONAL.//
SAGOT: Una: Dapat mong mapansin ang sinabi ni Juan na “…ngunit HINDI KO IBIG NA ISULAT…”
Yung bagay na hindi na niya isinulat ay personal na yun.
Kaya nga sa ibang salin gaya ng MAGANDANG BALITA(Iba ito sa Magandang Balita Biblia):
12 Marami pa sana akong sasabihin sa inyo, ngunit hindi ko na binanggit sa sulat na ito. Sa halip, ako'y umaasang makakapunta diyan at makakausap kayo nang PERSONAL upang malubos ang ating kagalakan.
Bakit? Ano ba ang dapat niyang isulat sa biblia?
1 Juan 1:3
“YAONG AMING NAKITA AT NARINIG AY SIYA RIN NAMING IBINABALITA SA INYO, upang kayo naman ay magkaroon ng pakikisama sa amin: oo, at tayo ay may pakikisama sa Ama, at sa kaniyang Anak na si Jesucristo: AT ANG MGA BAGAY NA ITO AY AMING ISINUSULAT...”
ANO BA ANG ISA SA MGA BAGAY NA NARINIG NI JUAN.
Juan 7:16-18 MB
"16 Kaya't sinabi ni Jesus, Hindi sa akin ang itinuturo ko, kundi sa nagsugo sa akin. 17 Kung talagang nais ninumang sumunod sa kalooban ng Diyos, malalaman niya kung ang itinuturo ko'y mula nga sa Diyos, o kung ang sinasabi ko ay galing lamang sa akin. 18 Ang nagtuturo ng galing sa sarili niyang kaisipan ay naghahangad ng sariling karangalan. Ngunit ang taong naghahangad na maparangalan ang nagsugo sa kanya ay taong tapat at hindi sinungaling."
Yung turo ay hindi kanila kundi sa Dios. Kaya hindi pwedeng lagyan ng personal na pananalita nila o yung galing lang sa kanilang kaisipan.
//SAGOT: Hindi naman sinabi ni Pedro na "... LAHAT ng Sinabi ng mga propeta..."
ReplyDeleteang banggit lang dun ay "...sinabi ng mga banal na propeta..."
Dahil kung ano lang ang sinalita ng Dios sa kanila ang sinusulat ng mga propeta//
Matt.2:23"Siya ay dumating at tumira sa isang lungsod na tinatawag na Nazaret. Sa ganito NATUPAD ANG SINABI NG MGA PROPETA: SIYA AY TATAWAGING TAGA-NAZARET”
Isang pag-uulit sa katanungan : Ang nasa itaas ay malinaw na sinabi ng mga propeta, maari mo bang sabihin sa akin kung saan aklat ng mga propeta at eksaktong bersikolo ko mababasa ang sinasabi ni Mateo na sinabi ng mga propeta?
Kung wala kang maipakitang eksaktong aklat at bersikolo na may propetang nagsabi ng naturang propesiya, ito ay patunay lamang na MAY SINALITA ANG DIOS na hindi naisulat bagkus naipasa sa pamamagitan ng BIBIGANG MENSAHE.
//Jerimias 30:2 “Ganito ang sinasalita ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, na nagsasabi, IYONG ISULAT SA ISANG AKLAT ang LAHAT NG MGA SALITA NA AKING SINALITA SA IYO.”//
Mali. Sa bersikolong ito na tinutukoy na isulat sa isang aklat na kanyang SINALITA kay propeta Jeremias ay ang patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng mga Israelita lamang. Pansinin mo ang kabuuan ng Aklat ni Propeta Jeremias, marami ang sinalita ang Panginoon sa pamamagitan ni Jerimias na hindi nya ipinag-utos na isulat halimbawa: pansinin mo ang mga naunang bersikolo gaya ng Jerimias 28:12 “Nang magkagayo’y dumating ang salita ng Panginoon kay Jeremias..” Malinaw na SUMASALITA NA ANG PANGINOON SA PAMAMAGITAN NI JEREMIAS NA HINDI PA IPINAG-UTOS ISULAT SA AKLAT. At ang tinutukoy mong bersikolo na ipinag-utos isulat ay HINDI NANGANGAHULUGAN na LAHAT NG SINALITA NG PANGINOON AY NAISULAT NI JERIMIAS. Halimbawa Jeremias 35:1-2 “..Pumaroon ka sa bahay ng mga Rechabita, at magsalita ka sa kanila..” MALINAW ANG UTOS NG PANGINOON KAY JERIMIAS “MAGSALITA KA SA KANILA” IBANG-IBA SA UNA NYANG PAG-UTOS NA ISULAT SA ISANG AKLAT.
//Isaias 30:8 “Ngayo'y yumaon ka, isulat mo sa harap nila sa isang tapyas na bato, at ititik mo sa isang aklat upang manatili sa panahong darating na walang hanggan.”//
Mali. Tulad ng nasa una mong inilagay na bersikolo HINDI NANGANGAHULUGAN NA LAHAT NG SINALITA NG PANGINOON KAY ISAIAS AY INUTOS NA ISULAT SA TAPYAS NA BATO. Tulad ng nauna kong argumento, sumasalita na ang Panginoon kay Isaias at ibinabahagi nya na sa mga Israelita bago pa man mag-utos na isulat sa tapyas na bato halimbawa : Isaias 28 :16 ‘Kaya't ganito ang sabi ng Panginoong Dios, Narito, aking inilalagay sa Sion na pinakapatibayan ang isang bato..’ o sa madaling salita, tulad ulit ng nauna ang pag-uutos na ‘ISULAT‘ ay para sa espisipikong tinutukoy ng Panginoon na isulat tulad ng propesiya.
//SAGOT: Dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol.//
Juan 21:25 “But THERE ARE ALSO MANY THINGS which Jesus did which if they were written everyone the world itself. I think would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”
NAPAKALINAW. MARAMI PA ANG NAGAWA SI JESUS NA HINDI NAISULAT NG MGA APOSTOL.
//SAGOT: Una: Dapat mong mapansin ang sinabi ni Juan na “…ngunit HINDI KO IBIG NA ISULAT…” Yung bagay na hindi na niya isinulat ay personal na yun.//
Maaari ka bang magbigay na ang tinutukoy ni Juan na hindi nya na ibig isulat sa papel at tinta ay PERSONAL NA NYA YUN?
Tama po ang sitas na maraming bagay pa ang hindi naisulat.
ReplyDeleteAng MALI ay ang PAKAHULUGAN ukol sa KASULATAN. na maari bumatay sa na HIGIT pa sa NASUSULAT.
Dahil bagamat may mga bagay pa di nasulat man. MALINAW ang KAUTUSAN na:
1 Cor 4:6 "...AY MANGATUTO KAYO NA HUWAG MAGSIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT..."
Ganun lang po ka simply yun my dearest.
//Matt.2:23"Siya ay dumating at tumira sa isang lungsod na tinatawag na Nazaret. Sa ganito NATUPAD ANG SINABI NG MGA PROPETA: SIYA AY TATAWAGING TAGA-NAZARET”
ReplyDeleteIsang pag-uulit sa katanungan : Ang nasa itaas ay malinaw na sinabi ng mga propeta, maari mo bang sabihin sa akin kung saan aklat ng mga propeta at eksaktong bersikolo ko mababasa ang sinasabi ni Mateo na sinabi ng mga propeta?
Sagot: Teka lilinawin ko lang. Mukhang hindi mo alam kung ano ba ang pinaguusapan ntin dito. Dinadala mo ako sa paniniwala na hindi ko paniniwala. Kaya nga dun sa sagot ko kanina ay hindi ko ito pinansin dahil wala tayong pagtatalo sa bagay na ito. wala akong tutol sa bagay na ito. Kahit balikan natin ang mga naunang paguusap
//Mali. Sa bersikolong ito na tinutukoy na isulat sa isang aklat na kanyang SINALITA kay propeta Jeremias ay ang patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng mga Israelita lamang.//
San talata mababasa na ang sinulat ni Jeremias sa isang aklat ay patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng mga Israelita LAMANG???
//Dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol//
Ako ang nagsabi niyan. Kung napansin mo ay binigyan ko ng DIIN yung "UTOS NG PANGINOON" sa sinabi ko dahil alam kong gagamitin mo ang
Juan 21:25
Kaya tanong ko sayo, dyan ba sa talatang yan ay mababasa na MARAMI PANG UTOS SI JESUS NA HINDI NAISULAT?
Alam mong wala dahil ikaw na din ang sumagot ng ganito:
"NAPAKALINAW. MARAMI PA ANG NAGAWA SI JESUS NA HINDI NAISULAT NG MGA APOSTOL."
So malayo sa sinabi ko ang sinagot mo. Dahil ang hindi naisulat dyan ay yung MARAMI PANG GINAWA AT HINDI YUNG UTOS.
//Maaari ka bang magbigay na ang tinutukoy ni Juan na hindi nya na ibig isulat sa papel at tinta ay PERSONAL NA NYA YUN?//
SAGOT:
2 Juan 12
"Marami pa sana akong sasabihin sa inyo, ngunit hindi ko na binanggit sa sulat na ito. Sa halip, ako'y umaasang makakapunta diyan at MAKAKAUSAP KAYO NG PERSONAL upang malubos ang ating kagalakan."
So hindi mo pwedeng hanapin sa akin kung ano yung personal na sasabihin ni Juan dahil nga hindi naman niya isinulat.
At hindi mo na kelangan hanapin kung ano man ang hindi niya isinulat dahil may mga bagay din na hindi talaga ipinapasulat ang DIOS
Apocalypsis 10:4 “At pagkaugong ng pitong kulog, ay isusulat ko sana: at narinig ko ang isang tinig na mula sa langit, na nagsasabi, Tatakan mo ang mga bagay na sinalita ng pitong kulog, at HUWAG MONG ISULAT.”
At hindi mo na kelangan alamin kung ano yung hindi ipinasulat, BAKIT?
Juan 20:31
"Ang mga nakatala rito ay isinulat upang kayo'y sumampalataya na si Jesus ang Cristo, ang Anak ng Diyos, at upang magkaroon kayo ng buhay sa pamamagitan niya."
Kaya isinulat ang mga nakatala ay para sumampalataya tayo.
//Dinadala mo ako sa paniniwala na hindi ko paniniwala//
ReplyDeleteHindi kita dinadala sa paniniwala na hindi mo paniniwala BAKUS, IPINAPAKITA KO sa iyo na ang PANINIWALA MO NA ANG NAKASULAT LAMANG SA BIBLIA ANG DAPAT SALIGAN ang NAGSASABING MISMO NA MAY MGA BAGAY RIN NA HINDI NAISULAT NA DAPAT RIN SALIGAN (Halimbawa Mat.2:23 patunay na hindi naisulat subalit ibinabahagi rin sa atin ng apostol para saligan din)
//Dahil ang hindi naisulat dyan ay yung MARAMI PANG GINAWA AT HINDI YUNG UTOS.//
Maaari ka bang magbigay patunay na ang "MARAMI PANG GINAWA" na hindi naisulat ay IBA O HINDI yun "UTOS"
//At hindi mo na kelangan hanapin kung ano man ang hindi niya isinulat//
TALIWAS ANG SINASABI MO sa SINASABI NG BIBLIA patungkol sa mga bagay na hindi naisulat:
2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."
NAPAKALINAW DALAWA ANG DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN PARA SALIGAN, ANG SALITA (IBIG SABIHIN HINDI NAISULAT) AT SULAT (IBIG SABIHIN NAISULAT)
NAPAKALINAW RIN NA PAREHO ANG HALAGA NG HINDI NAISULAT NA MENSAHE AT DAPAT RIN SANDIGAN NATIN.
Apoc. 10:4 Wala itong kinalaman sa iba pang kasulatan sapagkat ang tinutukoy na "HUWAG MONG ISULAT" ay mga bagay na sinalita ng pitong kulog
(ganito rin ang ibig kong ipaliwanag ukol sa jerimias at isaias na iyong sinipi)
Juan 20:30 May mga kaganapan na sumampalataya kay Kristo ang ibang tao kahit hindi pa nila nababasa ang MABUTING BALITA AYON KAY JUAN
//Hindi kita dinadala sa paniniwala na hindi mo paniniwala BAKUS, IPINAPAKITA KO sa iyo na ang PANINIWALA MO NA ANG NAKASULAT LAMANG SA BIBLIA ANG DAPAT SALIGAN ang NAGSASABING MISMO NA MAY MGA BAGAY RIN NA HINDI NAISULAT NA DAPAT RIN SALIGAN (Halimbawa Mat.2:23 patunay na hindi naisulat subalit ibinabahagi rin sa atin ng apostol para saligan din)//
ReplyDeleteSAGOT:Mukhang naliligaw ka. Yung sa Mat.2:23 na hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi, yun ang sinabi kong hindi ako tutol at hindi din ako tutol na may mga bagay talaga na hindi isinulat o ipinasulat . Ang aming tindig ay kung ano ang nakasulat yun ang dapat sampalatayanan. (1Cor. 4:6, Juan 20:31, 2Tim.2:15-16)
//Maaari ka bang magbigay patunay na ang "MARAMI PANG GINAWA" na hindi naisulat ay IBA O HINDI yun "UTOS"//
SAGOT: MUKHANG NALILIGAW KA NA NAMAN. HINDI BA DAPAT IKAW ANG MAGPATUNAY NA MERON UTOS ANG PANGINOON NA HINDI NAISULAT DAHIL IKAW ANG GUMAMIT NG JUAN 21:25. DAHIL LUMALABAS NA ANG SINASABI MO NA YUNG "MARAMI PANG GINAWA" NA HINDI ISINULAT AY KATUMBAS NG MARAMI PANG UTOS NA HINDI ISINULAT.
PARA DI KA MALIGAW NG USAPAN, ETO ANG NAGING USAPAN SA ITAAS:
AKO: "SAGOT: Dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol."
IKAW:
"Juan 21:25 “But THERE ARE ALSO MANY THINGS which Jesus did which if they were written everyone the world itself. I think would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”
IKAW: NAPAKALINAW. MARAMI PA ANG NAGAWA SI JESUS NA HINDI NAISULAT NG MGA APOSTOL".
Malinaw ang sinabi ko, UTOS NG PANGINOON ang hinahanap ko pero dinala mo ako sa GINAWA. KAYA PATUNAYAN MO SA JUAN 21:25 NA YUNG GINAWA AY KAPAREHO LANG NG UTOS
//NAPAKALINAW DALAWA ANG DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN PARA SALIGAN, ANG SALITA (IBIG SABIHIN HINDI NAISULAT) AT SULAT (IBIG SABIHIN NAISULAT)//
Sagot: Mali ka. Hindi aplikable sayo ang talatang yan. BAKIT? Magbigay ka nga ng aral na nakarating sa iyo na aral ng mga apostol na hindi mo nabasa sa biblia pero naipasa sayo ng mga Apostol NA DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN? HIHINTAYIN KO ANG SAGOT MO.
//(ganito rin ang ibig kong ipaliwanag ukol sa jerimias at isaias na iyong sinipi)//
SAGOT: UULITIN KO ANG TANGONG. San talata mababasa na ang sinulat ni Jeremias sa isang aklat ay patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng mga Israelita LAMANG???
PAGTATAMA. 2TIM 3:15-16 ANG TINUTUKOY KO SA BANDANG UNAHAN. SALAMAT.
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//Yung sa Mat.2:23 na hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi, yun ang sinabi kong hindi ako tutol at hindi din ako tutol na may mga bagay talaga na hindi isinulat o ipinasulat .//
ReplyDelete“Hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi” : Tama Ka. Hindi ISINULAT kundi SINABI pero mayroong HALAGA.
“may mga bagay talaga na hindi isinulat o ipinasulat” : Ibig bang sabihin na kailangan munang ipag-utos isulat bago sulatin at kailangan munang ipag-utos na huwag isulat para hindi isulat?
Mali. Ito ang Patunay : Jeremias 35:1-2 “..Pumaroon ka sa bahay ng mga Rechabita, at MAGSALITA ka sa kanila..” ANO ANG UTOS NG PANGINOON KAY JEREMIAS? “MAGSALITA KA SA KANILA” hindi “MAGSULAT KA” Bakit isinulat pa rin ni Jeremias gayong ang utos sa kanya ay “MAGSALITA”?
//Ang aming tindig ay kung ano ang nakasulat yun ang dapat sampalatayanan.//
MATINDING PAGSALUNGAT ITO SA BIBLIA TULAD NG: 2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."
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Mangyari na aking isa-isahin ang mga bersikolo mong inilatag :
ReplyDelete1 Cor 4:6 "...AY MANGATUTO KAYO NA HUWAG MAGSIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT..."
Malaki ang kamalian at marami ang kakulangan/katanungan kung ito lang ang pagbabatayan mo bilang patunay o sasagot na ang mga NAISULAT lang ang magiging saligan ng katotohanan:
Bigyan pansin ito: “SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT”. Binanggit nya ba kung ano-ano ang mga bagay na nangasusulat ? TAHIMIK at walang binanggit.
Kung ipagpapalagay natin na ang tinutukoy nya ay ang mga 73 o 66 Aklat ng kasalukuyang biblia(magkasama ang luma at bagong tipan), Ito naman ay pasisinungalingan ng Kasaysayan, bakit? Ang liham para sa mga taga-Corinto ay naisulat sa pagitan ng 57-59A.D higit na NAUNA sa aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa na isinulat sa pagitan ng mga taong 68-70A.D patunay lang na ng sabitin ni Pablo ang “SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT” hindi pa naisusulat ang mga aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa. SA TINGIN MO BA WALANG HALAGA ANG MGA AKLAT NA ITO?
Kung ipagpapalagay natin na ang tinutukoy nya ay ang mga NANGASUSULAT lang hindi kasama ang BIBIGANG MENSAHE o hindi naisulat. Muling ang kasaysayan ang sasagot na MALI dahil sa panahong iyon ay wala pang BIBLIA na tinatawag ibig sabihin watak-watak pa ang mga liham at aklat ng mga manunulat, AT HIGIT SA LAHAT naglipana ang mga HUWAD NA LIHAM o AKLAT tulad ng GOSPEL OF JUDAS, GOSPEL OF THOMAS na pawang nanglilito sa mga Kristiyano matapos mamatay lahat ang mga apostol. SA TINGIN MO BA MAY HALAGA ANG MGA AKLAT NA ITO?
Juan 20:31 "Ang mga nakatala rito ay isinulat upang kayo'y sumampalataya na si Jesus ang Cristo, ang Anak ng Diyos, at upang magkaroon kayo ng buhay sa pamamagitan niya."
ReplyDeleteTULAD ng naisagot ko sa una, May mga kaganapan na sumampalataya kay Kristo ang ibang tao kahit hindi pa nila nababasa ang MABUTING BALITA AYON KAY JUAN.
BASAHIN MO ANG Gawa 2:37 – 38 ISANG NAGPAPATUNAY NA SILA AY SUMAMPALATAYA KAY KRISTO SA PAMAMAGITAN NG MGA APOSTOL AT HINDI SA PAMAMAGITAN NG SULAT NI JUAN.
At kasaysayan rin ang sasagot na naganap ang pangyayaring ito BAGO PA MAN NAISULAT ANG AKLAT NG MABUTING BALITA AYON KAY JUAN. (isinulat ang aklat ni Juan 90A.D. samantalang ang Aklat ng mga Gawa ay nauna 62-70A.D.)
1 Timoteo 2:15-16 “Mula ng ikaw ay maliit pa lamang, alam mo na ang banal na mga kasulatan na makakapagbigay ng karunungan sa iyo sa kaligtasan sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya kay Cristo Jesus. 16Kinasihan ng Diyos ang bawat kasulatan. Ang mga ito ay mapakikinabangan sa pagtuturo, sa pagsaway, sa pagtutuwid, sa pagsasanay sa katuwiran.”
“Mula ng ikaw ay maliit pa lamang, alam mo na ang banal na mga kasulatan”. May Aklat na ba ng BAGONG TIPAN ng ipanganak si Timoteo para masabi niyang ‘ALAM MO NA ANG BANAL NA KASULATAN? Wala pa. Kung wala pa ano ang tinutukoy nyang BANAL na Kasulatan?
“banal na mga kasulatan” Tulad ng na-una kong argumento Binanggit nya ba kung ano-ano ang mga banal na mga kasulatan ? TAHIMIK at walang binanggit.
ILALATAG KO ULIT ANG ISA SA ARGUMENTO KO KANINA: Kung ipagpapalagay natin na ang tinutukoy nya ay ang mga 73 o 66 Aklat ng kasalukuyang biblia(magkasama ang luma at bagong tipan), Ito naman ay pasisinungalingan ng Kasaysayan, bakit? Ang liham para kay Timoteo ay naisulat sa pagitan ng 66-67A.D higit na NAUNA sa aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa na isinulat sa pagitan ng mga taong 68-70A.D patunay lang na ng sabitin ni Pablo ang “..ANG BANAL NA MGA KASULATAN” hindi pa naisusulat ang mga aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa. SA TINGIN MO BA HINDI BANAL NG MGA AKLAT ITO?
“Kinasihan ng Diyos ang bawat kasulatan” Binanggit nya ba kung ano-ano ang mga banal na mga kasulatan ? TAHIMIK at walang binanggit. Ibabalik ko ulit ang sinabing argumento ng kasaysayan kung saan naunang naisulat ang liham para kay TImoteo bago ang Mateo, Lucas at Gawa.
ReplyDelete‘ito ay mapakikinabangan sa pagtuturo, sa pagsaway, sa pagtutuwid, sa pagsasanay sa katuwiran.” Sinabi ba dito na ‘ANG BANAL NA KASULATAN LAMANG AT WALA NG IBA PA’ ang kailangan sa pagtuturo, sa pagsaway, sa pagtutuwid, sa pagsasanay sa katuwiran ? Hindi dahil ang sinabi nya ay ‘MAPAKIKINABANGAN’ may mga bagay na pwedeng pakinabangan subalit hindi nangangahulugan na kailangan gamitin.(‘mapapakinabangan mo ang payong na ito’ subalit hindi nangangahulugang kakailanganin nya ng payong)
//Magbigay ka nga ng aral na nakarating sa iyo na aral ng mga apostol na hindi mo nabasa sa biblia pero naipasa sayo ng mga Apostol NA DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN?//
SINUNGALING BA ANG DIYOS ? kung ang sagot mo ay HINDI.Tama ka, narito ang patunay :
Mat. 28:20 “Na ituro ninyo sa kanila na kanilang ganapin ang LAHAT ng mga bagay na INIUTOS ko sa inyo: at narito, AKO’Y SUMASA INYONG PALAGI, HANGGANG SA KATAPUSAN NG SANGLIBUTAN”
“LAHAT NG BAGAY” Malinaw na LAHAT diba? Subalit sabi ni Apostol Juan ay ganito :
Juan 21:25 “But THERE ARE ALSO MANY THINGS which Jesus did which if they were written everyone the world itself. I think would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”
Kulang ang mga naisulat kaya sabi ni Pablo :
2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."
At kung kompleto ito sabi ni Pablo kay Timoteo:
2 Timothy2:2 “and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."
Una, “What you have heard from me”
Pangalawa: “entrust to faithful men”
Ikatlo: “to teach others also”
APAT NA TAO ANG TINUTUKOY, si Pablo ipinasa kay Timoteo na ipapasa sa iba na ipapasa rin sa iba pa.
NAPAKALINAW, (maliban na lang kung magbubulagbulagan ka) na ang turo sa pamamagitan ng SALITA at SULAT ay naipasa sa gabay ni KRISTO: “AKO’Y SUMASA INYONG PALAGI, HANGGANG SA KATAPUSAN NG SANGLIBUTAN”
Ito ang hamon ko sa iyo? SINO ANG NAPASAHAN NG KOMPLETONG SANDIGANG SALITA AT SULAT?
//San talata mababasa na ang sinulat ni Jeremias sa isang aklat ay patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng mga Israelita LAMANG???//
BASAHIN MO MAIGI, ANG TINUTUKOY KONG BERSIKOLO AY YUNG BERSIKOLO MONG INILAGAY Jerimias 30:2 “Ganito ang sinasalita ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, na nagsasabi, IYONG ISULAT SA ISANG AKLAT ang LAHAT NG MGA SALITA NA AKING SINALITA SA IYO.” IBIG KONG SABIHIN NA ANG TINUTUKOY LAMANG DITO NA ISULAT AY YUNG PROPESIYA NG PAGKABIHAG NG ISRAEL.
END NA PO. UNLESS IBANG TOPIC NA.
MARAMI KANG HINDI SINAGOT SA AKING PINOST.
ReplyDeleteUNA: HINDI MO NAPATUNAYAN NA YUNG HINDI ISINULAT SA JUAN 21:25 AY UTOS NG PANGINOON.
//“Hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi” : Tama Ka. Hindi ISINULAT kundi SINABI pero mayroong HALAGA//
SAGOT: Ano ang tinututulan mo sa bagay na ito eh tama pala ako?
//Mali. Ito ang Patunay : Jeremias 35:1-2 “..Pumaroon ka sa bahay ng mga Rechabita, at MAGSALITA ka sa kanila..” ANO ANG UTOS NG PANGINOON KAY JEREMIAS? “MAGSALITA KA SA KANILA” hindi “MAGSULAT KA” Bakit isinulat pa rin ni Jeremias gayong ang utos sa kanya ay “MAGSALITA”?//
Sagot: Bago ko ito sagutin, Hindi mo parin sinasagot ang tinatanong ko. SAN TALATA MABABASA NA YUNG ISNULAT NI JEREMIAS SA ISANG AKLAT AY PATUNGKOL SA PROPESIYA NG PAGKABIHAG NG ISRAEL LAMANG???
//MATINDING PAGSALUNGAT ITO SA BIBLIA TULAD NG: 2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."//
SAGOT: UULITIN KO ANG TANONG. Magbigay ka ng aral na nakarating sa iyo na aral ng mga apostol na HINDI MO NABASA SA BIBLIA pero NAIPASA sayo ng mga Apostol NA DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN?? HIHINTAYIN KO ULIT ANG SAGOT MO.
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ReplyDeleteOn so the teaching of Eric based on his personal interpretation continues:
”1. Church on EARTH
math 18:20
``Where 2 or 3 of you are GATHERED together . there I(JESUS) am in the midst of them``
Thats one case of the 2 where CHURCH is referenced in the GOSPELS
Who does the GATHERING? JESUS does”
Oh so in that verse Jesus is the one who performed the Gathering? Are you sure? Does the VERSE said that?
Let us quote the VERSE properly to avoid mistakes [That’s why I always quote directly from my DIGITAL BIBLE:
Matthew 18:20 For where TWO OR THREE COME TOGETHER IN MY NAME, I am there with them." [Good News Bible]
So who are making the GATHERING? Was it Jesus? Heheheheheh , Jesus said: if TWO or THREE COME TOGETHER in his Name, he will be with them. Jesus said ”COME TOGETHER”, So it means they must conduct a GATHERING first not Jesus, then Jesus will join them. So it’s very clear that these people knew and believed in Jesus.
And the GATHERING that is mentioned by Jesus Christ is a WORSHIP SERVICE to GOD as explained by Apostle Paul:
1 Cor 14:26 “How is it then, brethren? WHEN YE COME TOGETHER, EVERY ONE OF YOU HATH A PSALM, HATH A DOCTRINE, HATH A TONGUE, HATH A REVELATION, HATH AN INTERPRETATION. Let ALL THINGS BE DONE UNTO EDIFYING.” [KJV]
In another Bible version of the same verse:
1 Cor 14:26 “This is what I mean, my friends. WHEN YOU MEET FOR WORSHIP, ONE PERSON HAS A HYMN, ANOTHER A TEACHING, ANOTHER A REVELATION FROM GOD, ANOTHER A MESSAGE IN STRANGE TONGUES, AND STILL ANOTHER THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS SAID. EVERYTHING MUST BE OF HELP TO THE CHURCH.” [GNB]
Remember our issue here is your AFRICAN LADY. So what happen to the AFRICAN LADY now? You told me she doesn’t read the Bible, so it means she doesn’t knew about it, and what’s in it. Therefore she is not attending any GATHERING or any WORSHIP SERVICES also from where she can learn it. So how does this verse be applicable to her now?
This is not the same as what you understood as FELLOWSHIPING where you just come together to read the Bible, for that is not the PROPER WAY to Worship God.
See Part 2>
Part 2>
ReplyDeleteYou need to be in a TEMPLE or a HOUSE of WORSHIP as God so ordered:
Deut 12:4-5 "You must not worship the LORD your God in the same way these people worship their gods. THE LORD YOUR GOD WILL CHOOSE A SPECIAL PLACE AMONG YOUR TRIBES. THAT WILL BE THE HOME FOR HIS NAME. YOU MUST GO TO THAT PLACE TO WORSHIP HIM.” [Easy to Read Version]
2 Chron 7:16 “FOR NOW HAVE I CHOSEN AND SANCTIFIED THIS HOUSE, THAT MY NAME MAY BE THERE FOR EVER: AND MINE EYES AND MINE HEART SHALL BE THERE PERPETUALLY.” [KJV]
The True People of God worships God in a Temple or House of Worship:
Psalms 5:7 “But as for me, in the abundance of thy loving kindness will I come into thy house: IN THY FEAR WILL I WORSHIP TOWARD THY HOLY TEMPLE.” [ASV]
The TRUE CHRISTIANS gathered to worship God in the HOUSE of WORSHIP or a TEMPLE. Not like what you are doing for that is not an act of worship to GOD.
“the other reference to CHURCH in the GOSPELS is of course the one VENTALACION knows so well
Mathew 16:18
This of course is NOT referencing the CATHOLIC church or any EARTHLY congregation but the EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH of which the GATES of HELL will NOT PREVAIL!!”
Of course Matthew 16:18 does not refer to the CATHOLIC CHURCH for it is not. Who said that? Did I say that? why you say that? Hello Eric! Are you with me?, hehehehe.
But what you said that it does not refer to ANY EARTHLY CONGREGATION but the EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH that is just your assumption, and that is not what Jesus Christ meant when he said that.
A simple question would prove that you are wrong:
Where Jesus Christ built his Church when he said “I will build my Church” in Matthew 16:18? In Heaven or on Earth?
Would you care to answer that? It is clear that he built or established ONLY ONE CHURCH for he did not say “I WILL BUILD MY CHURCHES”, so if he built one in Heaven so there will be none on Earth, and vice versa.
See Part 3>
Part 3>
ReplyDeleteWhat is my proof that after he said that there is really a Church that was established on Earth? My proof is from Jesus Christ himself.
Because Jesus Christ clearly stated that if there is a dispute among brethrens they should tell it to the CHURCH, so if there is no existing Church, where they will go to tell it? They will pray in heaven and talk to the Church because the Church is there? Hehehehe, that’s absurd.
Matthew 18:17 “And if he will not listen to them, then tell the whole thing to the CHURCH. Finally, if he will not listen to the CHURCH, treat him as though he were a pagan or a tax collector.” [Good News]
See? Was this not a CONGREGATION Established on Earth? It is quite clear that the Early Christians were gathered together in a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, for it’s quite clear that their actions is separated from the JEWISH RELIGION, that also exists during their time. For Jesus did not say tell it to the Sanhedrin or to the Pharisees…For this Church have its own administration that settle disputes among the brotherhood.
And Apostle Paul when he was still SAUL, admitted that he persecuted this ORGANIZATION:
Gal 1:13 “You have been told how I used to live when I was devoted to the JEWISH RELIGION, how I PERSECUTED WITHOUT MERCY THE CHURCH OF GOD AND DID MY BEST TO DESTROY IT.” [GNB]
See? It is quite clear in BIBLICAL HISTORY that you are denying, that the EARLY CHRISTIANS were members of a CHURCH which is an ORGANIZATION established on EARTH and separate from the JEWISH RELIGION, they are easily be indentified for they have their own ORGANIZATION and LEADERSHIP that’s why this religion of the Jews is persecuting them for they cannot accept what they taught and believed, similar to the other religions of today how they are UNITED in PERSECUTING, DEFAMING, DEGRADING and RIDICULING the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, for they cannot accept what we believe though they cannot prove it is not the TRUE TEACHINGS of God, Jesus Christ, and the Apostles.
,“You see Aerial CHURCH is NOT confined or LIMITED to MAN`s INTERPRETATION of it , anymore than MAN`s Interpretation of ADULTERY”
We don’t rely on our own PRIVATE or PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS when we talk about the true meaning of what is written in the Bible.
Neither we based our belief on the OPINION of an Author of a DICTIONARY like you. A dictionary for us is just a REFERENCE and not the basis of our BELIEFS.
For there are people that were entrusted to know the TRUE MEANING of its MYSTERIES:
Mark 4:11-12 "YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE SECRET OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD," Jesus answered. "BUT THE OTHERS, WHO ARE ON THE OUTSIDE, HEAR ALL THINGS BY MEANS OF PARABLES, SO THAT, 'THEY MAY LOOK AND LOOK, YET NOT SEE; THEY MAY LISTEN AND LISTEN, YET NOT UNDERSTAND. For if they did, they would turn to God, and he would forgive them.' [GNB]
It’s quite clear that there are people entrusted by God of His Secrets, but as you can see Jesus Christ emphasized that those that are IN THE OUTSIDE or OUTSIDE OF HIS CHURCH were never entrusted.
Was Jesus just talking to ORDINARY MEMBERS of the Church here? Were all members of the Church God’s entrusted with the understanding of the Secret of the Mysteries of God’s Words?
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PARA SA ANONYMOUS NA KAUSAP KO KANINA
ReplyDeleteISA SAIHIN NATING SAGUTIN ANG KANYANG NAGING NAPAKAHABANG TUGON:
//“Hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi” : Tama Ka. Hindi ISINULAT kundi SINABI pero mayroong HALAGA.//
SAGOT: TAMA PALA AKO EH. KAYA HINDI KA TUTOL.
//“may mga bagay talaga na hindi isinulat o ipinasulat” : Ibig bang sabihin na kailangan munang ipag-utos isulat bago sulatin at kailangan munang ipag-utos na huwag isulat para hindi isulat?
SAGOT: MALINAW ANG SINABI KO "may mga bagay talaga na hindi isinulat o ipinasulat". NAPAKALAYO ng konklusyon mo sa sinabi ko.
//Mali. Ito ang Patunay : Jeremias 35:1-2 “..Pumaroon ka sa bahay ng mga Rechabita, at MAGSALITA ka sa kanila..” ANO ANG UTOS NG PANGINOON KAY JEREMIAS? “MAGSALITA KA SA KANILA” hindi “MAGSULAT KA” Bakit isinulat pa rin ni Jeremias gayong ang utos sa kanya ay “MAGSALITA”?//
SAGOT: Bakit Hindi mo kasi binasa yung Jeremias 35:1. yung 2 lang ang pinost mo. andun yung sagot. Eto yung 1 na pinutol mo
"...SINABI ni Yahweh kay Jeremias."
bkit sinulat?
Dahil bago pa yung talatang yun ay may utos na ang Dios kay Jeremias ng ganito:
Jeremias 30:2 “Ganito ang sinasalita ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, na nagsasabi, IYONG ISULAT SA ISANG AKLAT ang LAHAT NG MGA SALITA NA AKING SINALITA SA IYO.”
//MATINDING PAGSALUNGAT ITO SA BIBLIA TULAD NG: 2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."//
SAGOT: Tanong ko sayo??? anong aral ng mga apostol na HINDI MO NABASA SA BIBLIA pero naipasa sayo sa pamamagitan ng BIBIG???
Hindi mo ba kayang sagutin yan kaibigan???
Part:1
pasensya ka na kaibigan subalit ang mga tanong mo ay tanong na lang ng mga humahanap ng palusot.
ReplyDeletesubalit pagbibigyan kita sa isa sa tanong mo:
//Tanong ko sayo??? anong aral ng mga apostol na HINDI MO NABASA SA BIBLIA pero naipasa sayo sa pamamagitan ng BIBIG???//
Bakit tinawag ni Kristo ang kangyang INA na 'BABAE' ng mga oras na sya ay nakapako sa krus?
Sa Biblia hindi sinabi pero sa bibigang mensahe naipasa at alam namin.
(Bibigyan kita ng kabuuang kopya ng ating pag-uusap at makikita ng lahat kung paano mali ang isa sa aral nyo na napabulaanan ko.)
Salamat. hanggang sa muli.
//Mangyari na aking isa-isahin ang mga bersikolo mong inilatag :
ReplyDelete1 Cor 4:6 "...AY MANGATUTO KAYO NA HUWAG MAGSIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT..."
Malaki ang kamalian at marami ang kakulangan/katanungan kung ito lang ang pagbabatayan mo bilang patunay o sasagot na ang mga NAISULAT lang ang magiging saligan ng katotohanan://
SAGOT: KAMALIAN BA? NABASA MO NA BA ITO:
1 TES. 2:3 MB
"ANG PANGANGARAL NAMIN sa inyo ay hindi batay sa KAMALIAN, o sa masamang pagnanasa, o sa hangad na MANLINLANG."
Hindi kaya ikaw ang may malaking kamalian at hindi ang talata???
//Bigyan pansin ito: “SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT”. Binanggit nya ba kung ano-ano ang mga bagay na nangasusulat ? TAHIMIK at walang binanggit.//
SAGOT: Medyo hindi ko mapigilang matawa sa bahaging ito. Bakit?? Sinabi na nga sa biblia
"...WAG HIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NASUSULAT..."
Bakit mo hahanapin yung hindi naman nakasulat. Lumalabas humihigit ka talaga sa mga bagay na nasusulat.
//Kung ipagpapalagay natin na ang tinutukoy nya ay ang mga 73 o 66 Aklat ng kasalukuyang biblia(magkasama ang luma at bagong tipan), Ito naman ay pasisinungalingan ng Kasaysayan, bakit? Ang liham para sa mga taga-Corinto ay naisulat sa pagitan ng 57-59A.D higit na NAUNA sa aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa na isinulat sa pagitan ng mga taong 68-70A.D patunay lang na ng sabitin ni Pablo ang “SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT” hindi pa naisusulat ang mga aklat ni Mateo, Lukas at Gawa. SA TINGIN MO BA WALANG HALAGA ANG MGA AKLAT NA ITO?
Kung ipagpapalagay natin na ang tinutukoy nya ay ang mga NANGASUSULAT lang hindi kasama ang BIBIGANG MENSAHE o hindi naisulat. Muling ang kasaysayan ang sasagot na MALI dahil sa panahong iyon ay wala pang BIBLIA na tinatawag ibig sabihin watak-watak pa ang mga liham at aklat ng mga manunulat, AT HIGIT SA LAHAT naglipana ang mga HUWAD NA LIHAM o AKLAT tulad ng GOSPEL OF JUDAS, GOSPEL OF THOMAS na pawang nanglilito sa mga Kristiyano matapos mamatay lahat ang mga apostol. SA TINGIN MO BA MAY HALAGA ANG MGA AKLAT NA ITO?//
SAGOT: DINAAN NALANG TAYO NG ATING KAIBIGAN SA KANYANG KWENTO AT SARILING KARUNUNGAN.
ganyan ba mangaral ang totoong sa Dios?
1 COR. 2:13
"Kaya nga, kami ay nangangaral hindi sa pamamagitan ng karunungan ng tao kundi sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu. Ang ipinapaliwanag namin ay mga katotohanang espirituwal para sa mga pinapanahanan ng Espiritu."
Meron ba akong gustong itanong sa kanyan:
ANG BIBLIA BA AY ISINULAT PARA LANG SA MGA TAONG NABUBUHAY SA PANAHON NG MGA SUMULAT O PARA DIN SA MGA TAO SA HINAHARAP NA PANAHON?
Part 2
pinatutunayan mo lang na naghahabol ka sa mga argumentong hindi mo kayang sagutin.
ReplyDeleteIto ang panghuling Hamon ko sa iyo,
ReplyDeletePaano mo nasabing tama ang iyong interpretasyon sa mga salita na nasa biblia gayong ang turo mo lang ay nagmula sa ministro mo at ang ministro mo mula sa naging ministro nya ... at ang kahuli-hulihan ay turo lang Ni FELIX MANALO.
//pinatutunayan mo lang na naghahabol ka sa mga argumentong hindi mo kayang sagutin.//
ReplyDeleteHindi kaya sayo tumatama yan kaibigan???
Isa isahin natin ang naging paguusap:
Una: Pinipilit mo na ang paniniwala ko ay lahat ng sinabi ng mga propeta ay naisulat(kahit wala akong sinasabing ganon)at gumamit ka ng Mt 2:23. Pagkatapos ay dun mo ako aatakahin na para bang pinalilitaw mo na magkaiba tayo ng stand. hahaha. Samantalang nilinaw ko na ang ang aming tindig ay ang mga naisulat ay dapat sampalatayanan (1cor.4:6; Juan 20:31; 2Tim.3:15-16)
Pangalawa: Ginamit mo ang Gawa 20:35 at pinalilitaw mo na wala sa apat na gospel ang sinabi dyan pero lumitaw na nagkamali ka diyan kaibigan.
Pangatlo: Sinabi kong dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol."
Pero dinala mo ako sa Juan 21:25 na alam mo din naman na wala namang binabanggit dun na UTOS NG PANGINOON ang hindi naisulat. Mukhang sa isip mo lang yata galing yun.
Pangapat: San mababasa na ang isinulat ni Jeremias sa isang aklat ay patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng Israel lamang?
Dinala mo ako sa Jeremias 30:2 pero kahit anong version ang gamitin ko ay wala dun ang sinabi mo na PROPESIYA NG PAGKABIHAG NG ISRAEL LAMANG ang sinulat ni Jeremias.
HIndi kya mababasa natin ulit yun sa isip mo lang??
Ginamit mo din yung Jer.35:1-2 Pero hindi mo naman pinost yung 1..dahil alam mong hindi papabor sayo ang talata..
Panglima: Ano ang aral na HINDI MO NABASA sa Biblia pero naipasa sayo ng bibig na dapat natin panghawakan???
Eto sinagot mo: "Bakit tinawag ni Kristo ang kangyang INA na 'BABAE' ng mga oras na sya ay nakapako sa krus?
Sa Biblia hindi sinabi pero sa bibigang mensahe naipasa at alam namin."
Dinala mo kami sa iyong CHISMIS at wala ka namang ebidensya.
Pang anim: Pinabulaanan mo na ang mga talatang talatang ginamit kong basehan ay malaking kamalian. At ang naging paliwanag mo ay galing nalang sa kasayasayan, sariling karunungan at pala palagay pero hindi mo man nagawang suportahan ng ebidensiya ang mga pinagsasabi mo.
Pang Pito: Pinalilitaw mo ngayon na AKO PA ANG NAGPAPALUSOT. Hehehe alam ko naman na matalino ang mga bumabasa kung susundan lang nila ang naging History ng ating pag uusap. Hayaan nating sila ang humusga, HINDI IKAW!
Hanggang sa muling pagtalakay kaibigan.
ReplyDeleteSalamat sa isang maginoong paguusap.
Pagpalain ka ng Dios.
Part 4>
ReplyDeleteIt’s quite clear that He was talking to the Apostles at this instance? Who are the Apostles? Were they just ORDINARY MEMBERS of the Church?
1 Tim 2:7 “This is why GOD CHOSE ME TO BE A PREACHER AND AN APOSTLE OF THE GOOD NEWS. I am telling the truth. I am not lying. GOD SENT ME TO TEACH the Gentiles about faith and truth.” [CEV]
God chosen and sent the Apostles to PREACH the WORD of GOD, they are the ones entrusted by God to understand and interpret His mysteries. The are THE TRUE MESSENGERS OF GOD, who only has the authority to PREACH, as emphasized by apostle Paul in Romans 10:15:
Rom 10:15 “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH, EXCEPT THEY BE SENT?...”[KJV]
This particular passage of the Scriptures you are COMPLETELY IGNORING Eric…
And God is commanding us that we must believe in the one SENT by GOD or the MESSENGER OF GOD according to Jesus:
John 6:29 Jesus answered, "WHAT GOD WANTS YOU TO DO IS TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE HE SENT." [GNB]
So it’s quite clear that it is a COMMANDMENT of God that we should believe in His MESSENGER, for they are the only one entrusted in the TRUE UNDERSTANDING and INTERPRETATION of His Words written in the Holy Book.
That’s why if that fellow Eric from whom you told you learned and who taught you all these things that you are telling to us don’t have a PROOF that he is a TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD, there is no way you can convince an INC to believe you, for it will appear then that neither you nor him whoever he is, were an AUTHORITY in INTERPRETING God’s words.
The Apostles were also known as MINISTERS.
That’s why we rely on our AUTHORITIES when it comes to Biblical Interpretations, our MINISTERS as the EARLY CHRISTIANS did rely in their Ministers in their time:
Col 1:25-26 “Whereof I am made a MINISTER, according to the DISPENSATION OF GOD WHICH IS GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU, TO FULFIL THE WORD OF GOD; EVEN THE MYSTERY WHICH HATH BEEN HID FROM AGES AND FROM GENERATIONS, but now is made manifest to his saints:” [King James Version]
The MYSTERIES OF GOD’S WORDS were entrusted only to the MINISTERS of the CHURCH, they are the ONLY and TRUE AUTHORITY in giving the CORRECT INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible.
See Part 5>
Part 5>
ReplyDeleteThat’s why even me, I don’t rely in my OWN UNDERSTANDING and my OWN INTERPRETATIONS, even up to now If I have doubt in certain things, I don’t hesitate to ask our MINISTER, and he will give me an answer straight from the Bible and not from his own PERSONAL OPINION and ASSUMPTIONS, like you Eric is doing for you are not the AUTHORITY nor you are a MESSENGER of GOD.
I can easily say that neither you nor the fellow that taught you were MESSENGERS of GOD, that’s why you have no AUTHORITY to Preach the Gospel for the TRUE UNDERSTANDING of GOD’s WORDS were not entrusted to you and to your mentor.
There is no way you can neglect and avoid the TRUE MESSENGERS of God, to learn the Words of God’s TRUE MEANING. For they are the instrument that will open your heart and mind, and soul to the TRUTH, of course if God will allow it. And as for as your case, God hasn’t allowed it yet or in worst case He will never allow you for you are already blinded by your FALSE BELIEFS which was done by the god of this world – the Devil [2 Cor 4:4].
I will continue to answer the rest of what you said in my NEXT RESPONSE, and I am expecting a POINT by POINT REBUTTAL from you for this POST>
FELIX is oNLY this TRUE MESSENGER because
ReplyDeletea. HE thinks he was
b. You BELIEVE that CRAP???
God says:
I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON whom I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON
If 2 or 3 people GATHERED in HIS NAME JESUS will be there in SPIRIT
JESUS does all of the WORK
GOD does all of the WORK
God opens SPIRITUAL eyes and ears
The biible says:
NO ONE SEEKETH after HE
HE will seeketh US
we are all DEAD in our TRESPASSES
Aerial this is why churches are FALSE Because they ADD to the bible
ITs testimony as INC is nOT taught DEEPER meanings of EVENTS in the Bible
CASE in point:
LAZARUS
He was a stinking rotting DEAD corpse
BUT JESUS RAISED him correct?
COUld LAZARUS do any WORK to aid in his REBIRTH??
NO
The same applies to MANKIND
as Lazaruus was DEAD Physically
We are all DEAD SPIRITUALLY
This is why God is so EMPHATIC as to WORKS
Works are NEITHer seen by God as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED
So when people are GATHERED in the NAME of Christ ,, be it PRAY or READ the BIble or REPENT
GOD has done all of the WORK!
HE brings HIS CHOSEN together
HE has inpsired them
HE has opened their SPIRITUASL eyes and ears
The difference between you and me Aerial and your FALSE church
I GIVE ALL GLORY and HONOR and PRAISE to GOD
Unknowingly or unwittingly you are BOASTFUL
1. I did this WATER baptism GOD
LOOK at what I did!!
2. I did this HOLY SUPPER
Look at how I added to my SALVATION
3. OUR church will spread your WORD
and if we dont reach then in time BEFORE they DIE
OH well they are DOOMED lol
I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON WHOM I HAVE MERCY
GOD DECIDES
GOD can bring the WORD to that African LADY
If HE GOD knows that its IMPOSSIBLE for her to be REACHED by the WORD
Then GOD will DETEMINE her fate
God will look into her HEART
God wiil see if she REPENTED
As the bible says
REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
REPENT woman and YE shall be BAPTIZED or WASHED or CLEANSED of your
BY JESUS 200 yrs ago
//MARAMI KANG HINDI SINAGOT SA AKING PINOST.
ReplyDeleteUNA: HINDI MO NAPATUNAYAN NA YUNG HINDI ISINULAT SA JUAN 21:25 AY UTOS NG PANGINOON.//
Napakalinaw ng aking sagot, “THERE ARE ALSO MANY THINGS which Jesus did which if they were written everyone the world itself.” AT ANG SINAGOT MO AY ITO: “Dahil ang hindi naisulat dyan ay yung MARAMI PANG GINAWA AT HINDI YUNG UTOS” NGAYON AKO ANG NAGTATANONG SA IYO NG GANITO: Maaari ka bang magbigay patunay na ang "MARAMI PANG GINAWA" na hindi naisulat ay IBA O HINDI yun "UTOS" NA NAPAKALINAW NA HINDI MO SINAGOT
//“Hindi naman sinulat kundi sinabi” : Tama Ka. Hindi ISINULAT kundi SINABI pero mayroong HALAGA SAGOT: Ano ang tinututulan mo sa bagay na ito eh tama pala ako?//
Sumang-ayon ka nga sa bagay na may mga hindi naisulat pero ang sagot mo ay ito: “Ang aming tindig ay kung ano ang nakasulat yun ang dapat sampalatayanan.” Kaya ang sagot ko ay: “pero mayroong HALAGA”
//Mali. Ito ang Patunay : Jeremias 35:1-2 “..Pumaroon ka sa bahay ng mga Rechabita, at MAGSALITA ka sa kanila..” ANO ANG UTOS NG PANGINOON KAY JEREMIAS? “MAGSALITA KA SA KANILA” hindi “MAGSULAT KA” Bakit isinulat pa rin ni Jeremias gayong ang utos sa kanya ay “MAGSALITA”?
Sagot: Bago ko ito sagutin, Hindi mo parin sinasagot ang tinatanong ko. SAN TALATA MABABASA NA YUNG ISNULAT NI JEREMIAS SA ISANG AKLAT AY PATUNGKOL SA PROPESIYA NG PAGKABIHAG NG ISRAEL LAMANG???
hindi pa ba malinaw sayo ang sagot ko: simulan mo sa Jeremias 36:1 hanggang matapos ang :32 at ito lang ang naitalang iniutos ng Panginoon kay Jerias na isulat , ang propesiya ng pagkabihag ng Israel.
//MATINDING PAGSALUNGAT ITO SA BIBLIA TULAD NG: 2 Tesalonica 2:15 "Kaya nga, mga kapatid, tumayo kayong matatag at panghawakan ninyong matibay ang mga dating aral na itinuro sa inyo, maging ito man ay sa pamamagitan ng SALITA o sa pamamagitan ng aming SULAT."
SAGOT: UULITIN KO ANG TANONG. Magbigay ka ng aral na nakarating sa iyo na aral ng mga apostol na HINDI MO NABASA SA BIBLIA pero NAIPASA sayo ng mga Apostol NA DAPAT NATING PANGHAWAKAN?? HIHINTAYIN KO ULIT ANG SAGOT MO.
Halatang iniiwasan sagutin ang 2Tesalonica 2:15. Pero bigay ko sagot sa tanong mo; Bakit tinawag ni Jesus ang Kanyang Ina na ‘BABAE’ habang sya ay nakabayubay
sa krus? Sa biblia hindi nabanggit sa bibigang mensahe umabot sa amin. sa inyo
hindi syempre dahil hanggang sa SULAT lang ang alam nyo.
//Mangyari na aking isa-isahin ang mga bersikolo mong inilatag :
ReplyDelete1 Cor 4:6 "...AY MANGATUTO KAYO NA HUWAG MAGSIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT..."
Malaki ang kamalian at marami ang kakulangan/katanungan kung ito lang ang pagbabatayan mo bilang patunay o sasagot na ang mga NAISULAT lang ang magiging saligan ng katotohanan.
SAGOT: KAMALIAN BA? NABASA MO NA BA ITO:
1 TES. 2:3 MB
"ANG PANGANGARAL NAMIN sa inyo ay hindi batay sa KAMALIAN, o sa masamang pagnanasa, o sa hangad na MANLINLANG."
Hindi kaya ikaw ang may malaking kamalian at hindi ang talata???//
Iba ang mahina umintindi sa ayaw umintindi. Hindi ko sinabing malaking kamalian ang mismong talata ang SINASABI KO MALAKING KAMALIAN KUNG ITO LANG ANG PAGBABATAYAN MO BILANG PATUNAY O SAGOT NA ANG MGA NAISULAT LANG ANG MAGIGING SALIGAN NG KATOTOHANAN.
//Bigyan pansin ito: “SA MGA BAGAY NA NANGASUSULAT”. Binanggit nya ba kung ano-ano ang mga bagay na nangasusulat ? TAHIMIK at walang binanggit.//
SAGOT: Medyo hindi ko mapigilang matawa sa bahaging ito. Bakit?? Sinabi na nga sa biblia
”...WAG HIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NASUSULAT..."
Bakit mo hahanapin yung hindi naman nakasulat. Lumalabas humihigit ka talaga sa mga bagay na nasusulat.//
BAKIT KAILANGAN HANAPIN YUNG NAKASULAT? DAHIL SABI SA 2 TESALONICA 2:15 NI PABLO NA DAPAT PANGHAWAKAN DIN. LUMALABAS NA HUMIHIGIT SA MGA BAGAY NA NASUSULAT? ANO BA YUNG TINUTUKOY NYANG NASUSULAT NA HINDI PWEDEN HIGITAN? HISTORY 101, MAS NAUNA ANG LIHAM NA TESALONICA SA MATEO, IBIG BANG SABIHIN PAGKASULAT NG TESALONICA LAHAT NG ISUSULAT TULAD NG MATEO AY ISA BAGAY NA HUMIHIGIT SA NASUSULAT? MAG-ISIP KA.
//SAGOT: DINAAN NALANG TAYO NG ATING KAIBIGAN SA KANYANG KWENTO AT SARILING KARUNUNGAN.//
KWENTO O KATOTOHANAN NA AYAW MONG MADINIG? DAHIL ANG KASAYSAYAN DIN ANG SAKSI NA ANG DIOS AY NAKIPAG-UGNAYAN SA TAO.
ANG BIBLIA BA AY ISINULAT PARA LANG SA MGA TAONG NABUBUHAY SA PANAHON NG MGA SUMULAT O PARA DIN SA MGA TAO SA HINAHARAP NA PANAHON?
ANG BIBLIA PARA NA RIN SA IYONG KAALAMAN, AY LUMABAS 300YEARS NG PATAY ANG MGA APOSTOLES, IBIG SABIHIN NABUHAY AT LUMAGO ANG KRISTIANISMO SA LOOB NG 300 YEARS NA WALANG BIBLIANG GINAGAMIT.
Eric,
ReplyDeleteBro. Aerial is asking for a POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL, not for you to share your OPINION.
Do you want me to explain to you what POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL means? Hehehehehe
You need to REFUTE every POINT that he said from the Beginning to End. That's what that means.
Eric can you tell me where in the Bible God said:
"I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON whom I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON" ?????
Was it in the New Testament or Old Testament, ah maybe in your Dreams God spoke to you. Hahahahahahahahahah.
Do you admit Eric that you are not a messenger of God?
ReplyDeleteCan you answer this question please?
I am curious also as to where in the Bible we can read as Bro. Christian said that you said that God said,
"I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy upon"
Could you please give me what verse and what Bible version?
Aerial
ReplyDeleteYOU are guilty ONCE again of DOUBLE_TALKING
you say i have NO AUTHORITY to PREACH as the TRUE MESSNGER did not teach me or through his church?
Are you NOT preaching the WORD here online?
If YES then why do always COWARDLY refuse to divulge yourself on cam??
Who and what are YOU hiding from??
You see how you DOUBLETALK??
If i am noT AUTHORIZED to preach the WORD then NEITHER are you!!
this is why you have the cloak of anonymity
this is why you are SCARED to show your face on cam
No one as SUPPOSEDLY more KNOWLEDGABLE as you say you are than me. would NOT relish the opportunity to come on cam and debate me
I should be this PUSHOVER for you as you are INSPIRED and LED by the TRUE MESSENGER
But we all know why you and Louie and Christian and README and SIDEWINDER and all of the others
Talk a BIG game but when push comes to shove , you hide behind your laptop
Hurling RIDICULOUS threats like
``WE will have you Eric Excommunicated
We will then sue you``
LOL lol
I mean GET with REALITY
When i said before i would sue you
It was SARCASM!!!
I know better to make a RIDICULOUS statement like that with me knowing FREE SPEECH laws and the US constitution
You look so FOOLISH and childish as you cant Distinguish SARCASM with REALITY!! lol
By the way i dont see one THREAD like you DEVOTED to me concerning your fellow BROTHER in CHRIST
LOUIE
1. He is OPENLY gay boy
look at his FACEBOOK page
2. HE preaches online on here and README`s and INC network 54
Dont talk out of both sides of your mouth
//Una: Pinipilit mo na ang paniniwala ko ay lahat ng sinabi ng mga propeta ay naisulat(kahit wala akong sinasabing ganon)at gumamit ka ng Mt 2:23. Pagkatapos ay dun mo ako aatakahin na para bang pinalilitaw mo na magkaiba tayo ng stand. hahaha. Samantalang nilinaw ko na ang ang aming tindig ay ang mga naisulat ay dapat sampalatayanan (1cor.4:6; Juan 20:31; 2Tim.3:15-16)//
ReplyDeleteKailan kita pinilit? Sumang-ayon ka na hindi nga lahat naisulat ang sinabi ng mga propeta PERO HINDI KA SUMASANGAYON NA MAY HALAGA ITO DAHIL SABI MO KUNG ANO LANG ANG NAKASULAT NA TALIWAS SA TINUTURO NG BIBLIA 2 TESALONICA 2:15
//Pangalawa: Ginamit mo ang Gawa 20:35 at pinalilitaw mo na wala sa apat na gospel ang sinabi dyan pero lumitaw na nagkamali ka diyan kaibigan.//
Kaibigan, hindi ko na pinagtuunan ito dahil ang argumento ditto ay tinatawag na semantic (medyo pang iskolar na, at sa mga una mong patatanong nakita ko na hindi mo ito mauunawaan) so hindi ko na tinuloy.
//Pangatlo: Sinabi kong dapat mong patunayan na meron ngang UTOS ANG PANGINOON na hindi naisulat ang mga apostol."//
Sinagot ko na dapat mong patunayan na ang UTOS ANG PANGINOON ay iba sa MARAMI PANG GINAWA ANG PANGINOON.
//Pangapat: San mababasa na ang isinulat ni Jeremias sa isang aklat ay patungkol sa propesiya ng pagkabihag ng Israel lamang?//
Sa mismong talatang iyong inilagay at matatapos sa bersikolo 32. dahil ang sumunod ay ibang panahon na kung saan nakakulong na si Jerimias.
DAHIL PINIPILIT MO NA KUNG ANO LANG ANG INUTOS ISULAT YUN LANG ANG SINUSULAT PERO SA IPINAKITA KO NA TALATA AY SALUNGAT SA HAKA-HAKA MO.
Panglima: Ano ang aral na HINDI MO NABASA sa Biblia pero naipasa sayo ng bibig na dapat natin panghawakan???
Dinala mo kami sa iyong CHISMIS at wala ka namang ebidensya. TSISMIS SA INYO KASI HINDI NAIPASA SA INYO ANG BIBIGANG MENSAHE NA NAGSIMULA KAY KRISTO NA IPINASA SA MGA APOSTOLES NA IPINASA SA TAGASUNOD NILA TULAD NI TIMOTEO NA IPINASA SA MGA SUMUNOD SA KANYA HANGGANG SA KASALUKUYANG PANAHON NA GINAGABAYAN NG DIOS MISMO NA WINIKA NI KRISTO NA KASAMA NAMIN HANGGANG WAKAS NG PANAHON.
Pang anim: Pinabulaanan mo na ang mga talatang talatang ginamit kong basehan ay malaking kamalian. At ang naging paliwanag mo ay galing nalang sa kasayasayan, sariling karunungan at pala palagay pero hindi mo man nagawang suportahan ng ebidensiya ang mga pinagsasabi mo.
Kasaysayan kaya tayo naniniwala na si KRISTO AY NAGLAGAD SA LUPA. KARUNUNGAN ANG GINAMIT DAHIL ITO AY BIGAY NG DIOS PARA SA TAO.
//Pang Pito: Pinalilitaw mo ngayon na AKO PA ANG NAGPAPALUSOT. Hehehe alam ko naman na matalino ang mga bumabasa kung susundan lang nila ang naging History ng ating pag uusap. Hayaan nating sila ang humusga, HINDI IKAW! //
TAMA. SILA ANG HUHUSGA.
Catherine
ReplyDeleteRomans 9:15
I will have MERCY upon whom I will have MERCY
and I will have COMPASSION on whom I will have COMPASSION
Catherine the point i am stressing with Aerial and all INC members
Its that GOD decides whom He will have MERCY upon
Not a CHURCH.. Not a Minister
Not a PREACHER
ONLY GOD
God can save one ANYTIME
ANYWHERE
INC doesnt DECIDE ones FATE
ONLY God knows whom HE will save
ONLY God knows the HEART of man
ONLY God knows the CIRCUMSTANCE of man
God will have MERCY and GRACE and FAITH(JESUS) on whom HE so desires
This is why i get so OUTRAGED when Aerial says that
if INC doesnt REACH that Afican lady BEFORE she dies
AShe is DOOMED or the LAKE of fire
Even my wife who i posed this questuionto
said
Of course NOT
God can save her as ONLY GOD knows her HEART
praise be to GOD
Eric, I’m still waiting for your POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL for my Response…
ReplyDeleteYou gave Romans 9:15, Let us quote the passage properly:
Romans 9:15 “For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, and I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.”[KJV]
Why you remove the phrase “HE SAITH TO MOSES”, are you hiding something Eric?
The question is During MOSES’ TIME to whom GOD have mercy? To whom GOD have Compassion?
This is the question that you should answer, and don’t jump into conclusion right away because that passage doesn’t mean what you are trying to point out and prove.
This is the answer to that question:
Deutrenomy 7:6-8 “YOU ARE A HOLY PEOPLE, WHO BELONG TO THE LORD YOUR GOD. HE CHOSE YOU TO BE HIS OWN SPECIAL POSSESSION OUT OF ALL THE NATIONS ON EARTH. The LORD SET HIS HEART ON YOU AND CHOSE YOU, even though you didn't outnumber all the other people. You were the smallest of all nations. YOU WERE CHOSEN BECAUSE THE LORD LOVED YOU and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors. So HE USED HIS MIGHTY HAND TO BRING YOU OUT. HE FREED YOU FROM SLAVERY UNDER PHARAOH (THE KING OF EGYPT). [GWT]
See? How God had chosen to love and bestowed his Mercy and Compassion to HIS CHOSEN ONES, the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL during the time of MOSES, and how he didn’t cared and destroyed the people of EGYPT because they are not his CHOSEN PEOPLE?
So NO ONE CAN QUESTION why GOD had CHOSEN ISRAEL among all the nations in the world…because they are HIS PEOPLE…
What is the benefit of becoming God’s CHOSEN PEOPLE like Israel?
Romans 9:4 “THEY ARE GOD'S PEOPLE; he made them his children and revealed his glory to them; he made his covenants with them and GAVE THEM THE LAW; THEY HAVE THE TRUE WORSHIP; THEY HAVE RECEIVED GOD'S PROMISES;” [Good News Bible]
Only the ISRAELITES have the LAW, TRUE WORSHIP, and PROMISES of GOD, during their time…
2 Kings 5:15 “And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO GOD IN ALL THE EARTH, BUT IN ISRAEL: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.” [KJV]
You can only find the TRUE GOD in ISREAL and no other nation in the world have a TRUE GOD.
See? He had chosen Israel to have his MERCY and COMPASSION, why? Because they are his own CHOSEN PEOPLE? Weren’t they are in a GROUP and they are NOT MIXED WITH OTHERS?
See? How God defend Israel among other those nations that tries to destroy it. How He cared for it and loved these PEOPLE.
Can you prove to me that during the time of Moses there are other people in the world that God loved other than those who belong to his CHOSEN PEOPLE – the Israelites?
There is a SIGNIFICANCE in this story that could relate to our time Eric, that you can never neglect nor deny….
So your wife is your MENTOR? Was she a MESSENGER of God? Heheheheheh Not all INC members fully and wholeheartedly understood its teachings…
Can you ask your wife what VERSE in the Bible my ID “AERIAL CAVALRY” is related to? Do you know that my ID is based on one of the Doctrines of the INC?
The LAW EXISTS, there is a TRUE CHURCH, and a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, that’s why if you do not know the LAW or God’s TRUE TEACHINGS would you be saved?
Can you remind her that there is a teaching in the INC:
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW EXCUSES NO ONE!!!
Maybe she have forgotten that…
Aerial
ReplyDeleteLook at your own WORDS
if INc doesnt REACH a CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL area then that AREA is DOOMED?
Dont you see how RIDICULOUS that sounds?
Im still waiting for the name of the LOCALE that is more than 25% PINOY
You know as well as i do that NO INC church is going to be erected without a SIGNIGANT Pinoy base
It would NOT be able to exist!
God can save that AFRICAL lady as well as ANYONE anywhwere
ONY GOD knows whom has REPENTED
Dont ignore and dismiss what God says:
REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
This is what GOD looks and ONLY HE knows who has REPENTED from the HEART and IF its up to God`s STANDARDS
Then one will be of the BODY of JESUS in that
ONE BAPTISM when HE alone PAID for the SINS of HIS body 2000 YRS ago by the SWASHING of the SOUls with the SPILLING of HIOS BLOOD!!!
ONE FATH .. JESUS
ONE CHURCH.. The EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH
ONE BAPTISM
God bless all here
IDIOT AIRHEARIAl
ReplyDeleteDid I EVER say my wife who is a DEVOTED member of a FALSE church is my
MENTOR??
I posed the same question to her I posed to you concerning the FATE of that lady in africa:
I caught her off guard as that will USUALLY get a TRUE RESPONSE from most INC people, as they are apart from the REPEATED messages used in your church
She answered Quickly:
`` of course ONLY God knows her HEART!``
You see aerial even after the 40 plus yrs she has been BOMBARDED with the SAME REPEATED verses of LAmsa ACts 20;28 and other MISINTERPRTED verses
GOd has WRIITEN on her HEART the TRUTH!!
My wife knows that GOd is in control
if Aerial you had ANY GUTS
you could have seen that months ago ON CAM when I challenged you !!
You could have had ALL of your NEEDED EVIDENCE to secure your suspicions of my identity
But... alas Airheadrial
you took the COWARDLY path
In summary no matter how long one is in a CULT
God can STILL get through to them
THROUGH their HEART
People EVERY day are seeing INC for what they are:
A FALSE CHURCH with MAN-made DOCTRINES
of course INC wont publish these figures
just like they wont publish figures of the EXACT:
NON pinoy %`s in their LOCALES
You cant y provide
ONE LOCALE with more than 10% NON PINOY
So anyone who has died cince 1914 where INC has nOT reached
OH they are DOOMED!
May God pity the the SOUL of anyone who thinks that!
God bless
Eric,
ReplyDeleteDo you think God’s words are created by God for the purpose of just PLEASING THE PEOPLE that would listen to it?
See how many times Jesus was called a LIAR, and a BLASPHEMER, every time he preached in front of the Jews who cannot accept what he’s saying.
What would you do if you were a JEW during his time, since the beginning of time you and your Ancestors HIGHLY BELIEVED THAT YOU CAN CALL AND PRAY TO GOD DIRECTLY, then suddenly a man who is a Carpenter’s son, without an education, would tell you that HE IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY, AND THE LIFE, AND YOU CANNOT GO DIRECT THROUGH THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM?
What would you do Eric? Would you say the same things to him like what you are saying to me?
A POMPOUS ARROGANT!!!
What else would you say to Jesus?
I have no doubt as to the DEVOTION of your Wife to the INC, for I know she loved the INC more than anything else. But being devoted is different from being well versed in the INC’s teachings.
Let’s get this as an example. You cannot deny the fact that there are lots of devoted Catholics, but do they fully understand the Catholic Teachings? Go on ask the first devoted Catholic that you will come across: “What is the meaning of the word Catholic?” you think they know the answer?
Similar to the INC, there are members that you cannot measure their devotion to the Church-like your wife, but when it comes to knowledge in our teachings, some of us I have to admit, Is not well conversant with our doctrines.
If you can understand the Filipino language, you can even read here in my Blog some of my Brethrens thanking this Blog for they learned a lot, and this Blog serves as a reminder of the INC’s teachings that they have forgotten. Why don’t you ask your WIFE to read my blog so that she can be reminded that there is a teaching in the INC that says: Let me again say the phrase exactly how our MINISTER (not my WIFE) said it:
“IGNORANCE OF THE LAW EXCUSES NO ONE”
What is the meaning of the word IGNORANCE?
“Ignorance
IG'NORANCE, n. [L. ignorantia; ignoro,not to know; ignarus, ignorant; in and gnarus, knowing.]
WANT, ABSENCE OR DESTITUTION OF KNOWLEDGE; the negative state of the mind which has not been instructed in arts, literature or science, or HAS NOT BEEN INFORMED OF FACTS. Ignorance may be general, or it may be limited to particular subjects. IGNORANCE OF THE LAW DOES NOT EXCUSE A MAN FOR VIOLATING IT. Ignorance of facts if often venial. [ Webster’s 1828 Dictionary]
See what this dictionary said?
I will quote again:
”IGNORANCE OF THE LAW DOES NOT EXCUSE A MAN FOR VIOLATING IT”
Part 2>
ReplyDeleteLet me give you an EXAMPLE:
A SOUTH AFRICAN MAN who lives in the Jungle get his food by hunting using his crude bow and arrow, in the place where he lives he can with freedom hunt and kill any deer that are roaming around the Jungle.
One time a friend from the city brought him to the city, and they visited a ZOO, upon seeing a deer, the AFRICAN MAN shoot and killed the deer with his bow and arrow, the ZOO SECURITY caught though his friend explain to security that this fellow do not knew that it was not allowed to kill the deer, still they sent him to Jail.
WOULD HE BE EXCUSED? Because he do not know the LAW that it is not allowed to kill ZOO Animals? Of course not. Because even if he do not know the LAW, and there is a LAW THAT EXISTS and you violated it, you will surely be punished.
Was there a VERSE that support this, read this:
Ezekiel 3:18 “When I say unto the wicked, THOU SHALT SURELY DIE; AND THOU GIVEST HIM NOT WARNING, NOR SPEAKEST TO WARN THE WICKED FROM HIS WICKED WAY, TO SAVE HIS LIFE; THE SAME WICKED MAN SHALL DIE IN HIS INIQUITY; but his blood will I require at thy hand.” [ASV]
See? God said in this passage: He will tell to the wicked: “THOU SHALT SURELY DIE” , was he EXCUSED for the punishment because nobody informed that wicked man that he is committing sin because he do not obey God’s Law? God said: “THE SAME WICKED MAN SHALL DIE IN HIS INIQUITY”. That man have no knowledge and was not informed that what he is doing does not comply with God’s laws, but he was NEVER EXCUSED of God’s punishment of death. God still punished that person.
When God gave a LAW to NOAH to build the ARK for he will destroy all the inhabitants of the Earth with a GREAT FLOOD, and only those who will enter in the ARK will be saved from drowning.
How many people in the world during Noah’s time knew about Noah and his Ark and knew that there is a GREAT FLOOD coming to destroy the Earth? I know that you are aware that during Noah’s time already the world is occupied by multitude of people. But how many survived in the flood? Does God saved other people other than Noah’s family his CHOSEN ONES? The Bible testified that only 8 PEOPLE survived in that flood:
1 Peter 3:20 “These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat---EIGHT IN ALL---were saved by the water,” [Good News Bible]
See? Does God even worried that he will punish all the people in the Earth and only saved 8 people? If God can destroy the whole planet just to save a few, you think will God care to save that AFRICAN LADY if it happens that she lived during NOAH’s TIME?
See Part 3>
Part 3>
ReplyDeleteRemember a LAW EXISTS that was given to his messenger, and a MESSENGER of GOD EXISTS, in the person of NOAH…
Let us go to our time which have a similar situation.
How do you think he will care for that AFRICAN LADY who do not know that entering the TRUE CHURCH will save her in JUDGMENT DAY?
Those who do not know that there is a NOAH and there is an ARK that they need to ENTER in, don’t survive and died in that Flood. How much more in our present time, that there is a MESSENGER OF GOD, and there is a TRUE CHURCH.
We are in a SIMILAR SITUATION, you don’t ENTER the CHURCH, because you do not know it or you do not have knowledge of it, or no one informed you. You will not be saved in JUDGMENT DAY.
So if there is a that LAW EXIST:
“IGNORANCE OF THE LAW EXCUSES NO ONE!”
Keep that in mind, write it on the wall to serve as a reminder for you…
See? During the time when the ISRAELITES were God’s CHOSEN PEOPLE, who else God loved and cared except the people of Israel. Can you show me a passage in the Bible in the OLD TESTAMENT that says GOD LOVED AND CARED OTHER NATION OTHER THAN ISREAL? This is a clear proof that God will only saved whom he chooses to save and that his OWN CHOSEN PEOPLE.
2 Chronicles 9:8 “Praise the LORD your God! He was pleased to make you king of Israel. THE LORD GOD LOVES ISRAEL, so he made you the king. YOU FOLLOW THE LAW and treat people fairly." [Easy to Read Version]
If you wanna know how many people will not be saved in JUDGMENT DAY? I will show you the figures:
Revelations 20:8-9 He will go out to deceive Gog and Magog, the nations in the four corners of the earth, and gather them for war. THEY WILL BE AS NUMEROUS AS THE GRAINS OF SAND ON THE SEASHORE. I saw that they spread over the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's holy people and the beloved city. FIRE CAME FROM HEAVEN AND BURNED THEM UP. [God’s Word Translation]
You want to QUESTION and COMPLAIN TO GOD, why he will allow to Burn in Hell this VERY HUGE NUMBER of People like the GRAINS OF THE SAND ON THE SEASHORE? Then go ahead…
How many are the sands in the seashore in the whole planet Earth Eric? imagine how many people are these that our bound to be punished in Hell? That God will not care nor worry just to SAVE the FEW of HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.
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Now let us go to your argument regarding this Eric:
ReplyDelete“Im still waiting for the name of the LOCALE that is more than 25% PINOY”
Well majority of the LOCALES in the world have more than 25% PINOYS, But I think what you mean is the other way around. You are asking if we have a local who has more than 25% NON-FILIPINO MEMBERS.
Well I can name a Few, a locale in GHANA, AFRICA, only have 20% FILIPINO MEMBERS, and 80% NON FILIPINOS. Because in that area there are only very FEW FILIPINOS that are living there.
In KING WILLIAMSTOWN locale also in Africa, majority of members were AFRICANS.
So don’t worry Eric, for the INC will reach even the most remote places in AFRICA, so there is no one that will be excluded not knowing about the CHURCH OF CHRIST. For that is the INC’s mission to propagate the word to all people on earth as stated by Jesus in MARK 16:15-16.
Now why it bothers you that there are more FILIPINOS in this Church other than other Nationalities?
What do you think, because a PARTICULAR RACE DOMINATES its membership it means it is not the TRUE CHURCH?
Let us go back to the EARLY CHURCH that was established by Christ in the FIRST CENTURY? Aren’t you aware that MAJORITY of its MEMBERS were JEWS?
Jesus Christ is a JEW, the TWELVE APOSTLES were all JEWS, and the teachings of JESUS only propagated within ISRAEL were majority are JEWS. And only APOSTLE PAUL who is also a JEW, started the propagation of the Church in the nearby GENTILE NATIONS.
So because the FIRST CENTURY CHURCH OF CHRIST is DOMINATED BY JEWS rather than the GENTILES, so they are not the TRUE CHURCH? Is that what you are trying to point out?
So the Apostles have committed a big mistake in propagating first the WORD OF GOD with their fellow JEWS other than directly go overseas and teach the gospel abroad?
That is the problem when you have a lack of knowledge about the Bible, and you relied more in your beliefs, opinions, and what you think rather than what is written in the Holy Scriptures.
May God have mercy on you and remove you from your GRAVE IGNORANCE…Hehehehehehe!
There is a saying in English
"A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THING"
What more if you are a TOTAL MORON, How more dangerous could that be?
Mr. Eric,
ReplyDeleteCan you please refute Bro. Aerial’s response Point by point and with Biblical verses?
I would like to see how would you be able to prove the evidences shown by Bro. Aerial false by showing us counter evidences from the Scriptures.
God bless us all.
Catherine
ReplyDeleteFirst so much of INC is based on UN BIBLICAL teachings namely FElix as this SUPPOSED last messnger. so much HINGES on what a MAN thinks he is and what a FOLLOWING thinks he is
So right from the START there is a FALSE FOUNDATION!!
1. Romans 3;11
`` There is NONE that understandeth
NONE that SEEK GOD``
So GOD DOES the SEEKING
Romans 8:30..
.. and whom HE(GOD) called``
NONE is NONE no matter how Aerial or INC love to make EXCEPTIONs to God`s LAW
so what ever might happen as when i cited the 2 or 3 GATHERED , God does the GATHERING if HE so pleases
HIS spirit will be there is HE so desires
Aerial without EVEN asking, once again ASSUMES what i do when i gather with 2 or 3 fellow Christians
1. WE pray to God for ENLIGHTMENT on HIS WORD
2. We plead to GOD for FORGIVENESS
3. We might sing a song of PRAISE
this ties in with WHOM God has MERCY on. INC and aerial have this FALSE notion that they can PLAY Gnd IF your church doesnt REACH that African lady BEFORE she dies. that she is DOOMED
Aerial has NO idea even if the woman has been led to God s WORD by some other means just as he dosnt know during those 1900 yrs of SUPPOSED apostasy that God didnt REACH someone
With that in mind we must ALWAYS remember that God says
REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
Now the REPENTING i am referring to is NOT the OUTWARDLY act . like when i hear someone CRYING in your worship service or one is PRAYING aloud in your DEVOTIONAL prayer.
REPENTING is from the HEART and ONLY what GOd can SEE
The parable of the WHEATS and tares explains this better. The TARES(UNTRUE BELIEVERS) look IDENTICAL to the WHEATS(TRUE BELIEVERS)
BUT only God knows who is TRUE as ONLY God knows the HEART
In conclusion ,AERIAL is so WRONG to make snap judgements based on KNOWLEDGE he does NOT possess!
God can have MERCY upon ANYONE
ANYTIME
ANYWHERE
Catherine
ReplyDeleteAlso There is a church here in Canada
Mississauga Central
It cant even afford to have its own HOUSE of WORSHIP!!!!!
So instead they have to rent a hall 2 nights per week for their worship servics.
They are always asking through their `SPECIAL OFFERINGS`for financial support from the brethren , who are struggling in this bad economy to not Only survive but send $$ back home to the phillipines!!
But at the same time INC is continuing with the Construction of the WORld s LARGEST sports arena??
Does that sound like something PLEASING to GOD??
Does that sound like something the ONE TRUE CHURCH whose `SUPPOSED PRIMARY focus is to
SPREAD the TRUE WORD to EVERYONE in the WORLD befòre they die??
Tell me how the construction of a SPORTS arena takes PRECEDENCE over a House of WORSHIP and the PLIGHT of this LOCALE?
Check out the facts I have provided
Then you tell me who has their PRIORITIES in order!
Tell me who DOESNT know the WORD of GOD and is NAIVE or a MORON or a hyppcrite??
Oh Eric, sorry but I think the main concern here are doctrinal issues.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but you seem not to comprehend to what I'm requesting you to do.
I believe when it comes in determining who is telling the Truth, I believe every POINT counts, and every argument laid should be answered.
Well a lot of verses used by Bro. Aerial, I think it would be nicer and a great advantage on your part if you could prove his explanation on each verse false. I think the best move is to explain its verse that he used one by one and show us how that will relate to your belief.
I think you also believe that there are no contradictions in the Bible.
Please respond to Bro. Aerial's argument, answering each point, and proving him wrong in every points that he laid.
I'm requesting this not only for myself but also for the benefit of those people who are searching the truth.
God bless to you and to your family
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"1. Romans 3;11
`` There is NONE that understandeth
NONE that SEEK GOD``
So GOD DOES the SEEKING".
Do you believe that you are included among those who do not UNDERSTAND?
You use that verse, I presume you do believe that you are among those who do not understand.
So bro. Aerial was right, you are a MORON. Hahahahahaha!!!!
eric the lunatic is confused...
ReplyDeletehahaha...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321810692/stupid+idiot+ERIC+is+confused...HAHAHA
eric...
ReplyDeletenobody believes you...why?...because...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321803113/nobody+believes+you...why-...because...
mga bros...
ReplyDeletecompilation ng mga contradiksyon ni tatang eric...
ERIC's CONTRADICTIONS...SIGN OF LUNACY...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321377685/ERIC%27s+CONTRADICTIONS...SIGN+OF+LUNACY...
Catherine
ReplyDeleteWhen the FOUNDATION of a house is WEAK like the house bullt on sand, it CRUMBLES under intense scrutiny
1. INC`s BASIS for being this ONE TRUE CHURCH is a PREMISE that FELIx is this SUPPOSED LAST MESSENGER sent by God.
Now with that in mind there comes the ASSUMPTION that EVERYTHING he teaches is DIRECTLY from GOD
BUt thats all SPECULATION and it BECOMES outright LIES when the FOUNDATION is found to have holes in it.
All any disector of INC as I am, has to find is ONE HOle in that FOUNDATION. Once that is accomplished then NOTHING coming from that SUPPOSED One TRUE CHURCH can be TRUSTED!
GOD SEEKETH us
There is NONE that SEEKETH him.
These verses I cited PROVES INC is PLAYING God!
We as humans DONT make determination as to the FATE of man.
Catherine ,you sitiing in a worship service in INC, dont EVEN know for sure the person sitting NEXT to, is a CHIld of God and therefore SAVED!
How can Aerial and /or your church make that DETERMINATION about a person or PEOPLE or country that INC doesnt REACH before they DIE??
THEY can NOT!!!!!
ONLY God knows the HEART!!
Look at all he posts that you wish for me to refute point by point!
Its BASELESS as its BUILT on SPECULATION
and or HOPe that their FOUNDER is GOD-sent just BECAUSE this MESSENGER says he is!!
REPENT YE and bE BAPTIZED
This is what God says as to being SAVED
But Aerial and INC cant BEGIN to comprehend this SIMPLE LAW of GOD as they have an ERRONEOUS UNderstanding of that word BAPTISM in that verse
Ill continue in next post
Catherine
ReplyDelete""REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED""
This is what God says is the DETERMINING factor to be SAVED
1.Not the SIZE of worship(2 or 3)_
2. NOt whether one sings HYMNS of PRAISE
3. NOT whether one attends worship service 2 times a week
4. NOT whether one is this SUPPOSED age of ACCOUNTABILITY of 12
"" REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED""
Now Cathetreine , to be BAPTIZED means to have been WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED of SIN in ones soul.
And in order for that to have HAPPENED, God must have ELECTED you to be of the BODY of JESUS
WATER baptism is the CEREMONY honoring JESUS by having WATER SYMBOLIZE the WASHING JESUS did of the SOULs that were HIS body,, by the BLOOD!!
Once we have this CLEAR understanding then EVERYTHING in the BIBle falls into place
OUR WORKS are not seen by GOD as RIGHTEOUS NOR JUSTIFIED. NO matter how BEAUTIFUL your WATER baptism CEREMONY is, its STILL a RITE or WORK you do.
HENCE to REPENT from the HEART and to come to GOD with a HUMBLE and CONTRITE HEART, of which ONLY GOD knows. then YE will be BAPTIZED!
INC and Aerial cant begin to UNDERSTAND this as they are PLACING credence to THEIR works, esp when it comes to THEM be the DETERMINING FACTOR as to ones FATE by saying one is nOT SAVED if INC has not reached then BEFORE they DIE
PRAISE be to GOD!!
Ill explain BAPTISM BY JESUS in next post
Catherine
ReplyDeleteBAPTISM by and Of JESUS
Epistle of PAUL to TITUS
" NOT by WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to HIs MERCY HE(GOD)SAved us by the WASHING(BAPTISM)of REGENERATION, and RENEWING of the HOLY GHOST
CAtherine this is the BAPTISM that will ABSDOLVE one of SIN
This is the ONE BAPTISM that ONLY the ELECT of GOD who are of the BODY of JESUS when JESUS paid that PENALTY for their SINS!!
ALL GLORY and PRAISE goes to GOD
This is why I EMPHASIZE that we as HUMANS dont aid in OUR SALVATION
OUR works like CEREMONIES of BAPTISM and our WORKS of spreading the WORD are all well in good.
BUT we DONT DETERMINE the FATE of MAN by what WE do anymore than we DETERMINE our FATE by OUR WORKS!!!
So until Aerial and INC come to this REALIZATION they will be FOREVER lost and will sink with the house in of sand!!
eric lunatic asked...
ReplyDelete"How can Aerial and /or your church make that DETERMINATION about a person or PEOPLE or country that INC doesnt REACH before they DIE??"
As stated by Apostle Paul in his letter to the Christians in Rome:
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
"(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are writter on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.}" (Rom. 2:12, 14-15, New International Version)
Apostle Paul explained that those who had not received the gospel, such as those who lived and died before the emergence of the Church of Christ in 1914, will be judged throught the law that is written in their hears with their consciences bearing witness.
Those who have not been reached by the preaching of the words of God also know what is good and bad because there is a law written in their hearts. For instance, even an ordinary man knows that acts such as murder and theft are evil, for his conscience dictates so. Thus, the people who sin apart from the law will be judged through the law written in their hearts. God will judge those who are being judged by their hearts because He is greater than our hearts, and knows all things (I Jn. 3:20).
God Almighty will judge those who lived and died before the emergence of the Church of Christ, and even those who are not reached by the Church's preaching of the gospel.
On the other hand, the people who live today have the responsibility to fulfill what God requires of them in order to be saved. They must "seek the law" because on the day of Judgment, people will be judged according to the gospel (Mal. 2:7; Rom. 2:16).
NO ONE SEEKETH GOD
ReplyDeleteDONT IGNORE BIBLE VERSES
If we are one of HIS CHILDREN
GOD SEEKETH us!
You can IGNORE the parable of the WHEATS and TARES as much as you like, But the FACT is ONLY GOD knows who is SAVED
YOU as a HUMAN BEING can nOT LOOK into the HEART of MAN. ONLY GOD can!!
SO God will DETERMINE if one is WORTHY of SALVATION based on HIS STANDARDS .. NOT man`s!!
THE LAW of God is written upon the HEARTS of man.
If he should be FORTUNATE to be BLESSED to have the WORD of GOD in his misdt then so be it.
BUt a CONGREGATION CAN NOT make that ASSESSMENT
And once AGAIN you IGNORE what GOD says is what HE sees as the DETERMINING FACOR as to whether HE SHows MERCY and GRACE
REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
INC can NOT be the ONE TRUE CHURCH or WAY to JESUS as they are SPREADING a FALSE SALVATION plan through the use of FALSE Man-made DOCTRINES, thus giving lost sheep FALSE HOPE!!
Once one sees that their CONCEPTION of BAPTISM in the above VERSE is NOT relating to a CEREMONY that they do.. then the SPIRIT of God is within them bUT NOT until then!!
Eric,
ReplyDeleteSo you did not seek God, and you do not understand.
So how come you are telling us now that you are right, and we are wrong?
You do not understand means you don't know anything, right?
So you do not seek God, how did you became of God? Since you do not found him.
Mat 7:8 "For everyone who asks will receive, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to those who knock".
We look for our God and we found Him, therefore we received our reward.
Heb 11:6 "No one can please God without faith, for whoever comes to God must have faith that God exists and rewards those who seek him." (GNB)
So you did not receive any of his rewards. Because you do not search for God, therefore you did not found him.
Very simple...
YES FAITH(JESUS) comes to those GOD ELECTS to have that
ReplyDeleteIf you stay in a CULT you wont RECEIVE FAITH
FAITH(JESUS) is a RESULT of GOD ELECTING you
YOUr act of FAITH is a WORK
This is JUST ONE example of as an INC member you have been TAUGHT LIMITED uses of GOD of that word FAITH
JUST like BAPTISM
JUST like CHURCH
Different contexts require Different understandings of the words
WE are DEAD in our TRESPASSES
Gow will open the EYES to those who REPENT
THAT is the SEEKING you are referring to in the above cited verse.
To those who REPENT and come BEFORE God with a CONTRITE mannr and a HUMBLE HEART will have blessings fromm God which include MERCY GRACE and of copurse FAITH(JESUS).
GOD will SEEKETH and open the EYES and EARS to those HE ELECTS
Just as Lazarus was PHysically DEAD
Man is SPIRITUALLY DEAD
Neither can do ANY WORK to aid in his or her SALVATION
Thats why
ALL POWER AND GLORY and HONOR be to GOD!
Eric you said:
ReplyDelete“First so much of INC is based on UN BIBLICAL teachings namely FElix as this SUPPOSED last messnger. so much HINGES on what a MAN thinks he is and what a FOLLOWING thinks he is.”
The TRUTH that Bro. Felix Manalo being the LAST MESSENGER is not based on those people who believed that he is, and you can prove that he is not by simply not to believe that he is.
This is as serious as proving a person who is ACCUSED a CRIMINAL or INNOCENT. You just don’t say you believe he is the CRIMINAL that’s why he is. And some believe he is INNOCENT that’s why he is.
The basis are DEFINITIVE PROOFS, and EVIDENCES, not OPINIONS, not HEARSAYS, not SPECULATIONS, and ASSUMPTIONS.
The INC have proofs that he is indeed a MESSENGER of GOD, and it is NOT A MAN MADE TEACHING for it has a BIBLICAL BASIS.
Why don’t you start proving that he is not a MESSENGER of GOD by showing us FACTS, and DEFINITIVE PROOFS.
Not just because you do not believe that he is the LAST MESSENGER, and somebody do not believe that he is, therefore he is not a MESSENGER of GOD, and that’s the whole proof it. Because even in Jesus time many people do not believe that his authority is from God, would that make him not a TRUE MESSENGER?
By the way, I would just like to correct you that our FOUNDATION is not Bro. Felix Manalo, but the WORDS of GOD in the BIBLE.
Because a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, does not speak from himself only, but only teaches the things that the one who sent him teaches - God:
John 7:16 “Jesus answered them, and said, MY DOCTRINE IS NOT MINE, BUT HIS THAT SENT ME.”
John 7:17 “If any man will do his will, HE SHALL KNOW OF THE DOCTRINE, WHETHER IT BE OF GOD, OR WHETHER I SPEAK OF MYSELF.”
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but HE THAT SEEKETH HIS GLORY THAT SENT HIM, THE SAME IS TRUE, AND NO UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS IN HIM.” (KJV)
And believing in a MESSENGER is not MAN-MADE, it is GOD-MADE:
John 6:29 - “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the WORK OF GOD, that YE BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.” (KJV)
So if you think that believing in a MESSENGER of God is not necessary, don’t you think that we are considering this WORK OF GOD not invaluable?
You said WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE VERSES, so don’t ignore this.
Eric,
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I'm sorry, but I think my request for you to do a POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL on Bro. Aerial's response was still not met. Please try to exert a little effort on that, for that is necessary in order for you to succeed in convincing us.
I still wanna see how you will prove him wrong in every explanation on the verses that he used. That would be a more appropriate approach.
Quote the verses that he used one by one, and explained to us what is their true meaning. And relate them to those verses that you are using.
Anyway you said WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE VERSES, so prove to me that you are not ignoring the verses that Bro. Aerial used.
And I would like to add something, Let us read this passage:
Romans 10:15 “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH, EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!” (KJV)
It is very clear that only those which are sent by God or MESSENGER of God have the authority to preach His words.
And God commanded us to go to His MESSENGERS to learn His Will:
Malachi 2:7 “It is the duty of priests to teach the true knowledge of God. PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO THEM TO LEARN MY WILL, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MESSENGERS OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY.” (GNB)
So my question is:
Does that person who taught you all these things that you are sharing with us and you want us to believe, was he sent by God? Was he a messenger? What is the proof of his authority to preach?
Please answer this Eric, because a true person who is in the side of the Truth is always ready to answer a question and does not avoid them.
1 Peter 3:15 “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and BE READY ALWAYS TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY MAN THAT ASKETH YOU a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” (KJV)
God bless us all.
Eric said:
ReplyDelete“NO ONE SEEKETH GOD
DONT IGNORE BIBLE VERSES
If we are one of HIS CHILDREN
GOD SEEKETH us!
You can IGNORE the parable of the WHEATS and TARES as much as you like, But the FACT is ONLY GOD knows who is SAVED”.
Look who’s saying DON’T IGNORE BIBLE VERSES? How many verses I have shown that you are DELIBERATELY IGNORING. The readers of this BLOG can clearly see that.
And what made you think that we are IGNORING the PARABLE of the WHEATS and TARES. Why? Do you think the WHEATS if mixed with the TARES you cannot distinguish which is which? Even a farmer in the field can easily determine that.
Well let us read the Bible:
Matthew 13:24-30 “Another PARABLE put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: BUT WHILE MEN SLEPT, HIS ENEMY CAME AND SOWED TARES AMONG THE WHEAT, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, SIR, DIDST NOT THOU SOW GOOD SEED IN THY FIELD? FROM WHENCE THEN HATH IT TARES? HE SAID UNTO THEM, AN ENEMY HATH DONE THIS. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST: AND IN THE TIME OF HARVEST I WILL SAY TO THE REAPERS, GATHER YE TOGETHER FIRST THE TARES, AND BIND THEM IN BUNDLES TO BURN THEM: BUT GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN.” [KJV]
Let us not rely on how Eric understood this, but let us see how Jesus explain this parable, because he did explain the meaning of this:
Matthew 13:36-37 “Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the PARABLE OF THE TARES OF THE FIELD. He answered and said unto them, HE THAT SOWETH THE GOOD SEED IS THE SON OF MAN; THE FIELD IS THE WORLD; THE GOOD SEED ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; but the TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE; THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; THE HARVEST IS THE END OF THE WORLD; AND THE REAPERS ARE THE ANGELS. AS THEREFORE THE TARES ARE GATHERED AND BURNED IN THE FIRE; SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END OF THIS WORLD. THE SON OF MAN SHALL SEND FORTH HIS ANGELS, AND THEY SHALL GATHER OUT OF HIS KINGDOM ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND, AND THEM WHICH DO INIQUITY; AND SHALL CAST THEM INTO A FURNACE OF FIRE: THERE SHALL BE WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. [KJV]
This event that Jesus clearly explained is about what is going to happen in JUDGMENT DAY, his SECOND COMING. The WHEATS and the TARES are easily distinguished, the WHEATS are THE CHILDREN OF GOD which are from the Son of Man – JESUS CHRIST, the TARES are THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE which are from the DEVIL. They were both allowed to grew in numbers, that is why the population of certain GROUP or RELIGION can never be a proof of being the TRUE RELIGION or a TRUE CHURCH, since it was already been FORETOLD that even those which are not of God, will also grew in their numbers, because it is not yet time for the HARVEST, which is of course JUDGMENT DAY.
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ReplyDeleteWhen the JUDGMENT DAY comes according to JESUS, the TARES or the CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE will be burned of course in HELL, and of course the WHEATS or the CHILDREN OF GOD will enter the BARN or the KINGDOM of GOD in HEAVEN.
According to ERIC:
”The parable of the WHEATS and tares explains this better. The TARES(UNTRUE BELIEVERS) look IDENTICAL to the WHEATS(TRUE BELIEVERS)
BUT only God knows who is TRUE as ONLY God knows the HEART”
According to his OPINION and PERSONAL BELIEF, the WHEATS and TARES look IDENTICAL. Does Jesus said that? Go back readers and read again the VERSES I quoted. Jesus never said that they LOOK IDENTICAL, therefore it is not easy to determine which is which, and only God knows the difference.
Jesus Christ specifically said:
“THE GOOD SEED [WHEATS] ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM.”
Very clearly distinguished by Jesus, that the GOOD SEED or the WHEATS are the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM, in other words CHILDREN OF GOD.
The next question is, how does one becomes a WHEAT or CHILDREN OF GOD?
The Bible will answer us:
1 John 3:10 “IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST, AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.” [KJV]
See, this is the STRAIGHT ANSWER from the Bible, and not from the OPINION of anyone. In order for us to belong to those which are called CHILDREN OF GOD, we need to do RIGHTEOUSNESS. So it really does requires for us to do a WORK or an ACTION.
What is this RIGHTEOUSNESS that we need to do? Is this the RIGHTEOUSNESS that we do only by ourselves that we think that is RIGHT? Once again I will not answer from my own, but from the Bible, because that is the correct way:
Psalms 119:172 “My tongue shall speak of thy word: for ALL THY COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Romans 1:16-17 “For I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF CHRIST: FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. FOR THEREIN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD REVEALED FROM FAITH TO FAITH: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.” [KJV]
The RIGHTEOUSNESS that we need to do, in other words we need to follow is the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, COMMANDMENTS, LAWS, and WORDS of GOD.
This is the very requirement of God so us we will become one of the WHEATS or His CHILDREN.
That’s why JESUS said:
John 8:31 “Jesus told the people who had faith in him, "IF YOU KEEP ON OBEYING WHAT I HAVE SAID, YOU TRULY ARE MY DISCIPLES.” [CEV]
In order for us to continue to become a TRUE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST we need to continue to obey his words, if we continue to obey his words, we are also continuously obeying God, for Jesus said:
John 12:50 “And I know that his command brings eternal life. WHAT I SAY, THEN, IS WHAT THE FATHER HAS TOLD ME TO SAY." [GNB]
Clearly the word of God through Jesus Christ explained how we will be able to determine the difference between the WHEATS and the TARES, which unfortunately Eric did not see, because he is ON THE OUTSIDE and not part of CHRIST’s BODY – The CHURCH [Col 1:18].
Mark 4:11-12 "…BUT THE OTHERS, WHO ARE ON THE OUTSIDE, hear all things by means of parables, so that, 'THEY MAY LOOK AND LOOK, YET NOT SEE; THEY MAY LISTEN AND LISTEN, YET NOT UNDERSTAND…” [GNB]
It is not surprising that he was mystified by this and cannot understand this, because he does not hold the TRUE LIGHT that God had Given to his Church in this last days – THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO.
End of this response
Catherine look at what Aerial says and read here:
ReplyDelete1. CAn you tell with your naked èyes that the person sitting NEXT to you in INC worship service is SAVED??
YES or NO??
Can you tell if that person is there BECAUSE of his or her COMMITMENT to GOD or MAYBE BECAUSE she is trying to PLEASE or APPEASE their family ??
One can shed `CROCODILE` tears and can give $$ EVERY week.. CAn you tell as a FINITE human being that this is an ACT or a GENUINE outward SIGN that she is a TRUE BELIEVER??
ANSWER: you can NOT
THE TARES(UNTRUE BELIEVERS) look IDENTICAL to the WHEATS (TRUE BELIEVERS) to MAN BECAUSE
ONLY GOD knows THEIR HEART
MAN can NOT LOOK into the HEART of ANOTHER
Do you know the old adage:
``No one knows what goes on BEHIND closed doors``
You as a HUMAN dont know if ANYONE else is SAVED esp a person you sit NEXT to in Church
`` REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED``
ONLY GOD knows the REPENTING that is FROM the HEART, OUTWARD acts or WORKS are NOT seen by God as JUSTIFIED or RIGHTEOUS
you want verses that you DONT EVER hear in an INC worship service??
Romans 9:11
God ELECTS NOT according to WORKS(DEEDS)
BUt HIS WILL`
Romans 3:10
There is NONE.. RIGHTEOUS.. nO NOT ONE``
3: 20
By the DEEDS(WORKS) of the LAW there shall be NO flesh `JUSTIFIED` in HIS(GODS) SIGHT`
3:28
We conclude man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH(JESUS) `WITHOUT` the DEEDS(WORKS) of the LAW
So if you as an INC member cant beyond the shadow of a DOUBT know that the person NEXT to you is SAVED becasue the WORK he or she does like OUTWARD REPENTING or CEREMONY like WATER baptism is NOT what God sees as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED...
How can a person like Aerial or a church like INC make that DISTINCTION of a person like the African lady WHOM THEY HAVE NEVER met?
ANSWER: they CAN NOT
Just on this FALSE teaching alone is SUFFICIENT EVidence that
a. FELIX is no LAST messenger
b. INC is not a TRUE CHURCH or earthly extension of GOD
Catherine this is just one of MANY FALSE doctrines
this is why i dont go POINT by POINT
I can give you many more FALSE doctrines
1. WATER baptism is REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
2. WATER baptism ABSOLVES one of SIN
3. FAITH that is REQUIRED is OUR FAITH
Aerial is pointing that the FACT or DETERMINING factor is that I am OUTSIDE the BODY as I am OUTSIDE the CHURCH
Thats HOLLOW
JUST BECAUSE one is a MEMBER of an EARTHLY church has NO RELEVANCE or CORRELATION as to their SALVATION
ESpecialy when said church is BASED on FALSE DOCTRIINES!!
NEXT; FELIX
Catherine
ReplyDeleteFElix being this SUPPOSED ""LAST messenger"" is FALSE .. BECAUSE
1. As I've PROVEN INC has FALSE man-made DOCTRINES
2. ISnt FElix the one who PROCLAIMED he is this lAST messenger based on what??
he had this SUPPOSED SPIRITUAL awakening at age 12 like JESUS did at the same age??
when he SUPPOSEDLY locked himself in a room with the BIBle??
THAT PROVES NOTHING
The basis if we have any reason to believe such NONSENSE
is the DOCTRINES of a CHURCH which is SUPPOSEDLY founded by a person SENT by GOD
And the FOUNDATION of said CHURCH is BASED on FALSE man-made DOCTRINES
*** The PROOF is in the PUDDING**
FALSE INC doctrines:
1,. WATER baptism ABSOLVES or PURIFIES one of SIN
2. WATER baptism is a REQUIREMENT to be of the BODY of JESUS
3, CHURCH just refers to the EARTHLY ORGANIZATION
3. INC can DETERMINE who is SAVED based on if one is a MEMBER of their CHURCH or NOT
4. Even if water baptism IS a REQUIREMENT(WHICH it ISNT) that the SUPPOSED age of accountability is 12..
( Side note); what is the FATE of a 12 yr old who has passed the INC bible study entrance exam but DIES before being WATER baptized?
is he or he DOOMED for lake of fire CAUSE wasnT OFFICIAL member of the CHURCH . thus NOT being a MEMBER of JESUS body??
5. WORK of FAITH
ist thes 1:3
REmembering withouit CEASING your "WORK" of FAITH
INC teaches you FAITH plays a ROle in getting you saved
BUT God says your ACT of FAITH is a WORK you do
And CATHERINe i have already pointed out that GOD
DOES NOT see WORKs or DEEDS as either
**RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED**
In conclusion, what POSSIBle CREDENCE is there to the notion that FELIX is the LAST or any MESSENGER of God
When a CHURCH he has ESTABLISHED has at its FOUNDATION a FALSE SALVATION plan with FALSE MAN made DOCTRINES as its COMPOSITION ??
Catherine
ReplyDeleteAre you aware of the HISTORY between me and Aerial? If you did, you would fully understand why I dont feel OBLIGATED to REFUTE his points one by one.
If his buddy README has not erased it already, check out the thread Readme devoted to me, and when Aerial was pinned down by me on a topic he childishly resorted to referring to me and a poster, Forest KING.. as my HOMOSEXUAL buddy!!
So right from the start , I knew anything he said thereafter could NOT be held with too much credence.
Why i dont answer point by point??
NOte on that Blog of README how many times I challenged Aerial to a live on cam debate on Ym or skype!
He boasted on there that he was this SUPPOSED GREAT debater in the Phillipines and that through this ability, he was able to SWAY his family to join INC.
But when push comes to shove, NOT ONE TIME could he show his face on cam like a man would.. like a TRUE DEBATER would.
Also I have invited EVERYONE from READMEs blog to counter argue EVERY point i make in a TRÙE OPEN FORUM like IGlesia NI cristo network 54 where the OWNER does nOT PLAY God and DELETE oppposing views.
Aerial should be relishing the thought to display his GREAT DEBATING skills in a TRUE OPEN FORUM.
But for a myriad of reasons which INCLUDES
1. His keeping his anonymity as INC Admin would not be too happy with his PREACHING like an INC minister
2. Iglesia Ni Cristo 54 is where HE could NOT dictate the RULES.. i.e DELETING opposing views... and where the FORUM is MOSTLY NON-INC!!
catherine I invite you onto Network 54 where any TOPIC you see AERIAL wishes a rebuttal POINT by POINT ,I guarantee ON INC NETWORK 54 I already made a THREAD Covering that TOPIC!!
God bless all!!!
I have visited NETWORK 54 today, and I was surprised to find a lot of your STATEMENTS contradicting each other.
ReplyDeleteThat is not a good sign, the Bible said:
Proverbs 24:21-22 "My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and MEDDLE NOT WITH THEM THAT ARE GIVEN TO CHANGE: FOR THEIR CALAMITY SHALL RISE SUDDENLY; AND WHO KNOWETH THE DESTRUCTION OF THEM BOTH?" (Revised Version)
God's teachings never change for they are CONSISTENT, if he said for example, the color is RED, it stays RED for it is.
But if a person says it is RED, then after a while HE will say it is GREEN, then that is the proof that that fellow is not teaching a DOCTRINE from GOD.
Look at this example that I found in NETWORK 54:
ERIC SAID...
...that the church mentioned in the Bible is not an Earthly Church...
VS
ERIC SAID...
The TRUE earthly church is to teach the congregation the LAWS of the Bible...
This is a very huge contradiction, at one time you said that the church mentioned in the Bible is NOT AN EARTHLY CHURCH, then after a while you’re saying that a “TRUE EARTHLY CHURCH is to teach the CONGREGATION the LAWS of the BIBLE”. So it means you knew that the Bible had given a characteristics of a TRUE CHURCH, which of course an EARTHLY CONGREGATION, that is to teach the LAWS of the Bible, but at one time you’re denying that the Bible is referring to an EARTHLY CONGREGATION.
You cannot prove Bro. Felix Manalo not being a MESSENGER OF GOD, just because you do not believe and think some of those he taught is wrong. Because that is normal, even in Jesus time there are people who do not believed him because their beliefs are different:
John 10:25 “However, you don't believe because you're not my sheep.”
Similar to this situation, you do not believe, because you don’t believe in the INC.
To whom you are basing your interpretations Eric, who taught you?
As I go back to this VERSE that you seem ignoring:
Romans 10:15 “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH UNLESS THEY ARE SENT?...” (English Majority Version)
Where in the Bible written that God will open our spiritual eyes, mind, heart, to be able to understand his WORDS and MYSTERIES even without the aid of MESSENGERS of GOD? Where is that in the Bible Eric? Can you be kind enough to show me a VERSE where I can clearly see that?
This is very clearly written:
ReplyDeleteActs 8:30-31 “Philip ran over and heard him reading from the book of the prophet Isaiah. He asked him, "DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE READING?" THE OFFICIAL REPLIED, "HOW CAN I UNDERSTAND UNLESS SOMEONE EXPLAINS IT TO ME?" And he invited Philip to climb up and sit in the carriage with him.” (Good News)
No one can understand God’s word on his own, even you read it unless someone explains it to you, you will never understand it.
So it can never be on your own Eric, so I am asking you: Who taught you? Was he a MESSENGER of GOD? If he is, can you show me PROOFS from the Bible?
What about out of our skills and knowledge we try to study it on our own, can we come to the knowledge of the truth?
2 Tim 3:7 “EVER LEARNING, AND NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.” (KJV)
There is no way you can understand the Bible on your own, that’s why those people who insisted that they can understand it, and deny the need for a MESSENGER, what happened to them?
Romans 10:3 “FOR BEING IGNORANT OF GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, and SEEKING TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN, THEY DID NOT SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” (ASV)
See, those people who are IGNORANT of GOD’S RIGHTEOUSNESS, had ESTABLISHED THEIR OWN, they created their own way, no longer subjected themselves to GOD’S RIGHTEOUSNESS.
What is meant by the Bible as GOD’S RIGHTEOUSNESS?
Psalms 119:172 “My tongue shall speak of THY WORD: for all THY COMMANDMENTS are RIGHTEOUSNESS.” (KJV)
God’s COMMANDMENTS, His WORDS is His RIGHTEOUSNESS, so those people who were not able to arrive in the knowledge of the TRUTH, instead of obeying what is written in the Bible, they have established their own beliefs and rules to follow.
How you determine this? You just ask them: WHERE IS THAT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE?
If they cannot show you the VERSE that you can clearly see that support what they believed, that is the PROOF that they do not arrived or came to the knowledge of the truth. For they are not been taught by a TRUE MESSENGER of God.
Because the TRUTH is not what you think and believed, not what I think and believed, but what we should believe that we can clearly see and read from the Bible, and whatever is WRITTEN in the Bible, that is what we should think that is RIGHT and ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
For the only TRUTH is the WORD of GOD, not your words Eric, and not mine:
John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.” (KJV)
That’s why a TRUE MESSENGER of God, speak only of God’s word, he does not give his own personal views, and opinions nor assumptions.
John 3:34 “For HE WHOM GOD HATH SENT SPEAKETH THE WORDS OF GOD: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.” (KJV)
A TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, does not speak WORDS from his OWN, but only the WORDS OF GOD. It means all that he is teaching you can see clearly and find written in the pages of the Bible.
So unless you can prove to me that the one who taught you is a TRUE MESSENGER of God, that is the time you can CONVINCE me that what you have learned is the TRUTH.
You are saying that Bro. Felix Y. Manalo is not a MESSENGER of GOD out of your OPINION, and PERSONAL BELIES, and not based on DEFINITIVE PROOFS,
But does the one who taught you all these, including your CONTRADICTIONS a TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD? Prove it
God bless us all.
Eric the CONTRADICTION MASTER said:
ReplyDelete“ISnt FElix the one who PROCLAIMED he is this lAST messenger based on what??
he had this SUPPOSED SPIRITUAL awakening at age 12 like JESUS did at the same age??
when he SUPPOSEDLY locked himself in a room with the BIBle??”
You clearly said here that at the age of 12 Bro. Felix locked himself in a room with a Bible, are you sure that what you just said here is 100% ACCURATE and TRUE?
Was this the TRUTH or a LIE? Answer this ERIC…
So that the READERS of this BLOG will found out and recognize who is the BIG LIAR that we should not trust ever.
What if I can prove to you based on PROPHECIES written in the Bible that he is indeed a MESSENGER of GOD, can you prove to me that he is not?
You are in big trouble here OLD MAN, hahahahaha
Catherine
ReplyDeleteThere is NO CONTRADICTION
1, There is the EARTHLY church or the CONGREGATIONs
They were formed to
a. TEACH the BIBLE
b. To have a PLACE to ASK for FORGIVENESS of SIN(REPENT)
c. To come with a HUMBLE and CONTRITE heart and plead to GOD for MERCY and GRACE
This is the CHURCH on EARTH
BUt the BODY of JESUS is comprised of
ALL those PERTAINING to or BELONGING to GOD
Thats the EXTERNAL ETERNAL CHURCH
Catherine you as an INC member ONLY get HALF truths:
The same holds true for BAPTISM
To be baptized is from the GREEK
IMMERSING in a FLUID.. ie to ``WASH``
Notice the DEFINTION doesnt SAY
``IMMERSING in WATER``
This is why Churches have WATER baptism CEREMONIES
CEREMONIES are RITUIALS in this instance to COMMEMORATE the WASHING or CLEANSING or BAPTIZTING JESUS did 2000 yrs ago on the CROSS
HENCE there is the ONE BAPTISM ,, BY JESUS
Then there is the WATER BAPTISM CEREMONY HONORING that one BAPTISM
Hence there is the CHURCH which was the EXTENSION of GOD on earth whose PURPOSE was to SPREAD the WORD of GOD etc
There is the SPIRITUAL CHURCH which is COMPRISED of all of the TRUE BELIEVERS
FAITH
I noticed you IGNORED FAITH and the SCRIPTURE i cited
YOu and AERIAL and CHRISTIAN love to chastise me for FAILURE to cite VERSES
But when I do you IGNORE then when it doesnt suit your arguments
FAITH that WE DO is a WORK
WORKS are NEITHER seen BY GOD as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED
So the FAITH that is NECEESSARY to be SAVED is
NOT OUR ACT OR WORK of FAITH
The FAITH is that OF JESUS
JESUS is and ALWAYS was the ESSENCE of FAITH
as HE NEVER sINNED!!
All of these FALSE DOCTRINES of INC which FELIX is the FOUNDER
PROVES he is NO LAST OR ANY MESSENGER
God would not UTILIZE a man who is a FALSE PROPHET
its YOUR JOB to PROVE OTHERWISE!!
MESSENGER
ReplyDeleteCATherine
You know in the bible there are ANTICHRISTS and there is THE ANTICHRIST??
the same apples for MESSENGER
there is the CHIEF MESSENGER.. JESUS
and there are MESSENGERS
ANYONE one who is DOING the WILL of GOD and SPREADING the TRUE GOSPEL is a MESSENGER
If i am spreading the TRUE WORD or YOU are SPREADING the TRUE WORD then you are a
MESSENGER of GOD
YOU are so FIXATED with your CHURCH`s FELIX that you have lost touch with the BIBLE
what do you want from me? A person`s name or CHURCH that ENLIGHTENED me as to SCRIPTURE that I know INC is a CULT?
The man who enlightened me was NOT affilated with ANY CONGREGATION as NEITHER am I
You have been DUPED that a CHURCh has to have a CONGREGATION with a BUILDING and OFFERINGS etc and that is the ONLY way one can come to an UNDERSTANDING of the BIBLE
And even if that were the case I have PROVIDED enough EVIDENCE that FELIX was NO MESSENGER
as Most of the DOCTRINES of HIs are
FALSE and CONTRARY to the BIBLE
thats all i have to do to SUBSTANTIATE
That FELIX is a FALSE PROPHET!!
INC considers Mr. Felix Manalo as God's last messenger. During his time, when he was still a preacher of the young sect in the Philippines, did he claimed that he was the RAVENOUS BIRD from the FAR EAST as mentioned in Isa.46:11..?
ReplyDeleteThis doctrine sprout right after Felix Manalo died, isn't it? Now we may say that, if Mr. Manalo is still alive at this time, there will be "No" such teaching of the INC that Felix Manalo is God's last messenger..
I hope you will treat this question with respect like the way I have raised the question. Please clarify and correct my statement..thanks in advance!
Catherine
ReplyDeleteGOD has to open ones SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS!!
I was 18 sitiing in CATHOLIC mass with my family when all of a sudden I HEARD the SERMON for the FIRST time!
The PRIEST uttered:
" MARY.. MOTHER of GOD"
I stood up. much to the chagrin and dismay of my mom esp, and yelled
"WHAT?? GOd had NO MOTHER. God has NO BEGINNING"
Catherine , what happened that day?? I had heard that same sermom week after week, year after year, but that DAY was DIFFERENT
MY Human EYES and EARS had heard this over and over.
BUT MY SPIRITUAL eyes and ears were opened that day by GOD! Can I BOAST that I alone REALIZED this?? NO!!
GOD did this WORK!
NO man did that.
God did that!
Now later On God also played a role in introducig me or bringing a TRUE CHRISTIAN into my life who SHARED the TRUE GOSPEL as to ENLIGHTEN me more.
ANYONe who does INDEED SPREAD the TRUE word of GOd is a MESSENGER
Maybe that person who taught me was a DIRECT MESSENGER sent by GOD or the person BEFORE tehm etc etc
BUT the fact is once GOD has OPENED our SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS, thats when we will lEARN the WORD and GOD will enhance that BY someone ELSE to ENLIGHTEN us more
BUT your preoccupation with a few misunderstood verses that SUPPOSEDLY apply to FELIX , is NOT the MEASURING STICK by which one ASSESSES if he is a MESSENGER
The BIBLE is the GOLD STANDARD as to that!
TO Christian
ReplyDeleteAccording you your PASUGO May 2011 Volume 63 NUNBER 5
Felix in November of 1913 stayed in a room ans studied the Bible for 3 days and nights.
How this can be AFFIRMED and how this is RELEVANT to him being a MESSENGER is impossible.
I will admit i took the word of a poster on here about the age that this happened, ans as far as that i admit my ERROR!
But still, the bottom line as i have stated before here to catherine
The STANDARD by which one MEASURES if a PERSON is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD is not a VAGUE Bible reference that is misinterpreted as being applicable to him
But the TRUE TEST is whether the DOCTRINES he compiled in his CHURCH are in TOTALITY, agreeing with the BIBLE
And if just ONE TINY doctrine is FALSE and CONTRARY to the WORD, then the CHURCH he established is FALSE, thus making him no MESSENGER , let alone a LAST MESSENGER.
And to that end its just not ONE FALSE DOCTRINE.
There are many here i have already listed!!
eric said...
ReplyDeleteThe STANDARD by which one MEASURES if a PERSON is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD is not a VAGUE Bible reference that is misinterpreted as being applicable to him
But the TRUE TEST is whether the DOCTRINES he compiled in his CHURCH are in TOTALITY, agreeing with the BIBLE
this eric idiot is the...ANTI BIBLE...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321707540/ERIC...THE+ANTICHRIST+%26amp%3B+ANTI+BIBLE
Louie
ReplyDeleteYou are an EMBARASSMENT even to Iglesia NI Cristo as you offer NOTHING to all of the counter-arguments I made.
eric...
ReplyDeleteno need to counter...
you counter your self and the BIBLE...
hahaha...
SIGN OF LUNACY...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321377685/ERIC%27s+CONTRADICTIONS...SIGN+OF+LUNACY...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321707540/ERIC...THE+ANTICHRIST+%26amp%3B+ANTI+BIBLE
Eric you said:
ReplyDelete“There is NO CONTRADICTION
1, There is the EARTHLY church or the CONGREGATIONs
They were formed to
a. TEACH the BIBLE
b. To have a PLACE to ASK for FORGIVENESS of SIN(REPENT)
c. To come with a HUMBLE and CONTRITE heart and plead to GOD for MERCY and GRACE
This is the CHURCH on EARTH
BUt the BODY of JESUS is comprised of
ALL those PERTAINING to or BELONGING to GOD
Thats the EXTERNAL ETERNAL CHURCH”
Eric you said:
“The TRUE EARTHLY CHURCH is to teach the congregation the LAWS of the Bible...”
You said, the “TRUE EARTHLY CHURCH” I want you to take note of that. It means you are proving that there is a TRUE EARTHLY CHURCH. What is your basis when you said that? Was it not the Bible? Because you cannot say that there is no other source of Truth other than the Bible.
When you said at another instance:
“...that the church mentioned in the Bible is not an Earthly Church...”
By this statement you are DIRECTLY OPPOSING what you said, because it would appear that the Bible does not support any principle pertaining to an EARTHLY CHURCH. By saying that the word “CHURCH” which appeared 80 TIMES in the NEW TESTAMENT (KJV), does not refer to an EARTHLY CHURCH. Therefore the Bible does not teach that there is a TRUE EARTHLY CHURCH. And the EARLY CHRISTIANS were not members of an EARTHLY CONGREGATION.
And that makes it a huge CONTRADICTION…
Remember that the CHURCH mentioned in the Bible is THE BODY OF CHRIST.
And the mission of which is to preach the word of God on earth, for this church is entrusted with that task as the Bible said:
Ephesians 3:10 “to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places MIGHT BE MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE CHURCH THE MANIFOLD WISDOM OF GOD,” (ASV)
It is quite clear Eric, that the CHURCH or the BODY OF JESUS CHRIST is the one entrusted by God of His Wisdom. That’s why THROUGH THE CHURCH we will be able to know God’s Wisdom.
So there is no difference for the BODY OF CHRIST or the CHURCH which is a CONGREGATION ESTABLISHED on EARTH have the same task in PREACHING the WORD OF GOD, because they are ONE. And of course all the CHURCH MEMBERS are those which are PERTAINING to or BELONGING to GOD.
I’m still waiting for you to show me a verse regarding this issue:
Where in the Bible written that God will open our spiritual eyes, mind, heart, to be able to understand his WORDS and MYSTERIES in the Bible on our own without a MESSENGER guiding us?
And you said:
“ANYONE one who is DOING the WILL of GOD and SPREADING the TRUE GOSPEL is a MESSENGER”
Where is this in the Bible Eric? Can you show me a verse in the Bible other than the PROPHETS, APOSTLES, and MINISTERS, are known to be MESSENGERS of GOD?
When you say ANYONE, well it means anyone, regardless of what he is and who he is right?
Eric you said:
“If i am spreading the TRUE WORD or YOU are SPREADING the TRUE WORD then you are a MESSENGER of GOD.”
So are you trying to tell me now that even you are a MESSENGER of GOD for the only reason that you are SPREADING the WORD of GOD?
Show me from the Bible, that says, just spread the word of God then you are a TRUE MESSENGER of God. Then I will consider what you said here valid.
Eric you said:
ReplyDelete“GOD has to open ones SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS!!
I was 18 sitiing in CATHOLIC mass with my family when all of a sudden I HEARD the SERMON for the FIRST time!
The PRIEST uttered:
" MARY.. MOTHER of GOD"
I stood up. much to the chagrin and dismay of my mom esp, and yelled
“"WHAT?? GOd had NO MOTHER. God has NO BEGINNING"
Catherine , what happened that day?? I had heard that same sermom week after week, year after year, but that DAY was DIFFERENT
MY Human EYES and EARS had heard this over and over.
BUT MY SPIRITUAL eyes and ears were opened that day by GOD! Can I BOAST that I alone REALIZED this?? NO!!
So God had opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS and made you realized that GOD HAD NO MOTHER, and GOD HAD NO BEGINNING.
So because of this you were awakened to the TRUTH, that the GOD ALMIGHTY don’t have a MOTHER and can’t be BORN from a MOTHER for that would appear that He HAS a BEGINNING RIGHT?
So was JESUS not the ALMIGHTY GOD, because He has a MOTHER and was BORN of a MOTHER? And that what is exactly the PRIEST is referring to when he said that? I know you know why they called MARY the MOTHER OF GOD, because JESUS to the CATHOLIC CHURCH is GOD, and because MARY is his MOTHER, so MARY to them is THE MOTHER OF GOD, Right? So the Priest is wrong?
I think you made another CONTRADICTION here ERIC:
You said:
I was 18 sitiing in CATHOLIC mass with my family when all of a sudden I HEARD THE SERMON FOR THE FIRST TIME!
And just after several words and sentences you said:
“Catherine , what happened that day?? I HAD HEARD THAT SAME SERMOM WEEK AFTER WEEK, YEAR AFTER YEAR, but that DAY was DIFFERENT”
Let us put them closer together:
“I HEARD THE SERMON FOR THE FIRST TIME!”
Vs.
“I HAD HEARD THAT SAME SERMOM WEEK AFTER WEEK, YEAR AFTER YEAR.”
Just wondering Which is which Eric?
That’s why I asked you to show me a VERSE from the Bible, see what happened when you’re just relying on STORIES? Hahahaha
God bless us all.
I would just like to answer Anonymous which said:
ReplyDelete”INC considers Mr. Felix Manalo as God's last messenger. During his time, when he was still a preacher of the young sect in the Philippines, did he claimed that he was the RAVENOUS BIRD from the FAR EAST as mentioned in Isa.46:11..?
This doctrine sprout right after Felix Manalo died, isn't it? Now we may say that, if Mr. Manalo is still alive at this time, there will be "No" such teaching of the INC that Felix Manalo is God's last messenger..
Just where did you got this INACCURATE INFORMATION Mr. Anonymous? Seems like you are basing what you said here most probably on HEARSAY and SPECULATIONS and not based on FACTS.
When did Bro. Felix Manalo died?
“On April 12, 1963 at 2:35 in the morning, Felix Ysagun Manalo died at the age of 76. He passed the leadership of the church to his son, Eraño de Guzman Manalo who was elected unanimously by the council of elders.” [Source: Wikipedia – Felix Manalo]
Is it true that there was no teaching in the INC that Bro. Felix Manalo is the LAST MESSENGER prior to APRIL 12, 1963 the day that he died?
“Naliwanagan natin na may sugo ang Diyos sa Huling Araw, at ito’y si Kapatid na Felix Manalao na siyang nangaral sa Iglesia ni Cristo sa Pilipinas simula noong 1914, ayon sa bisa ng kapangyarihan ng Hula. Si Kapatid na Felix Manalo ang Huling Sugo ng Diyos bago dumating ang katapusan ng sanlibutan. Bakit natin natitiyak na siya ang huling sugo? Sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos sa hula ni Isaias 41:4, “Sinong gumawa o yumari, na tumwag ng mga Sali’t saling lahi ng una? Akong Panginoon ang una, at kasama ng huli, ako nga.” Ayon sa hula, ang sugong tinutukoy ay huling sugo, kung bakit? Dahil sa banggit na “kasama ng huli”. [PASUGO “God’s Message” –July 1956 Issue, page 13]
Translation in English:
“We have clarified that there is a MESSENGER of GOD in the LAST DAY. And this is brother Felix Manalo who preached the Iglesis ni Cristo in the Philippines starting in 1914, according to the efficacy and power of the prophecy. Brother Felix Manalo is the LAST MESSSENGER OF GOD before the end of the world comes. Why we are sure that he is the LAST MESSENGER? Because God said in the propjecy of Isaiah 41:4, “Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD the first, and WITH THE LAST; I am he.” According to the prophecy, the MESSENGER referred to is the LAST MESSENGER, because of the term “WITH THE LAST”.
A PROOF that Mr. Anonymous is misinformed on this issue for there is a already a teaching in the INC that Bro. Felix is the LAST MESSENGER even before his DEATH in 1963.
Please to our DETRACTORS, KNOW THE FACTS FIRST before you attack us, because that is where you always lack the most…
God bless to all Brethrens in Christ and to all non-INC’s who continuously visiting this BLOG…
Eric the CONTRADICTING MASTER SAID:
ReplyDelete“According you your PASUGO May 2011 Volume 63 NUNBER 5
Felix in November of 1913 stayed in a room ans studied the Bible for 3 days and nights.
How this can be AFFIRMED and how this is RELEVANT to him being a MESSENGER is impossible.
I will admit i took the word of a poster on here about the age that this happened, ans as far as that i admit my ERROR!”
I will quote again what you said last time:
“he had this SUPPOSED SPIRITUAL awakening at age 12 like JESUS did at the same age??
when he SUPPOSEDLY locked himself in a room with the BIBle??”
Would you mind telling me who is that POSTER your using as an ALIBI?
-----------------------------------
So can you say or admit here that BOTH OF YOU ARE LYING?
Brother FELIX MANALO is 12 years old in 1913?
He was born on MAY 10, 1886? How could that be, ha ERIC? Do you know how to calculate? Start counting…hehehehe
This is not just a SIMPLE ERROR ERIC, This is LYING, and telling like this on BLOG like this is misleading people, in the WRONG and UNTRUE INFORMATION.
And that makes you and that fellow you are blaming BOTH LIARS. And LIARS will be punished in LAKE OF FIRE in JUDGMENT DAY [Revelations 21:8].
So that’s how your God opened your SPIRITUAL eyes and EARS ha? Look and see who is telling a LIE and COPY what they said and spread them and tell it to others…
SHAME ON YOU ERIC!!!!
You asked a question:
“How this can be AFFIRMED and how this is RELEVANT to him being a MESSENGER is impossible.”
And just when did an INC PUBLICATION said that the PROOF that Bro. Felix Manalo is the LASTMESSENGER was when he LOCKED HIMSELF in a ROOM for THREE DAYS and NIGHTS with a BIBLE, is the PROOF that he is a TRUE MESSENGER?
Can you kindly CHECK that PASUGO that you have and QUOTE it if it says that?
The PASUGO is just telling a part of His Life’s History, when he started to question other religions teachings and tried to find one religion at least that comply 100% in the scriptures, writing down in each individual notebook different religious beliefs that he once become a member and a preacher, and comparing them one by one to the Bible. This is the story of HIS CALLING. And never the INC taught that if a man LOCKED HIMSELF in a ROOM for THREE DAYS with a BIBLE, it means that is the PROOF that he is a MESSENGER of GOD.
The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.
If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?
That’s what you are supposed to be doing, not copying LIES from other POSTERS…For that will make you also a LIAR…
Well, you don’t have to do that to become one, because you already are….hehehehehehe!!!!
kapatid na christian makakatulong sayo ito:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.examineiglesianicristo.com
makikita mo dito yung panglilinlang sa ginawang pag-aaral ni Dr. Ryrie, iniba-iba.
bumabati sa local ng ewan at distrito ng ewan
opo sya nga po mano po 3 the movie
jane again as usual wala ng ibang proof kundi yan na mas matanda pa sa lelang niya na na-explain na sobrang matagal na! palibhasa wla nang masabi kasi speechless lagi whatta LOSER! sa bagay ayan naman talaga trabaho niyong mga mang-uusig eh!
ReplyDeleteito talagang si juana na ito papansin...
ReplyDeletebagay kayo ni tatang eric...
pareho kayong papansin...
doon ka nalang kaya sa n54...
at least marami kang kakamping mga ampalaya don...
Catherine
ReplyDelete1. GOD OPENED MY ``SPIRITUAl`` EYES and EARS that DAY
This is DIFFERENT than me LISTENING for 15 yrs with my EARS and EYES
I HEARD with my EARS and SAW with my EYES that SERMON BUT NOT UNTIL GOD opened my
SPIRITUAL eyes and EARS did I REALLY COMPREHEND what that priest was SAYING
Dont you UNDERSTAND the DIFFERENCE??
** There is NO CONTRADICTION WHATSOEVER**
Until GOD opens your SPIRITUAL eyes and EARS to the FALSE doctrines of INC, you will be conned and duped by them
This is why PARABLES are ONLY understood by THOSE God chooses to OPEN their SPIRITUAL eyes and ears to for example:
A PARABLE is an EARTLY story with a HEAVENLY meaning. God only REVEALS the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC truth to those HE decides to OPEN their SPIRITUAL eyes and ears
This is parallel to what happened to me in tht Catholic mass. For years and years.. YES I HEARD it and YES I SAW it but NOT until GOD opened my SPRITUAL EYES and EARS did I come to the REALIZATION that is was a FALSE GOSPEL.
NEXT : The CHURCH and the BODY of CHRIST
MR. ERIC CONTRADICTION SAID:
ReplyDeleteJESUS is referred to as FAITH!!
`FAITH cometh by hearing.. and hearing by the WORD of GOD
Now read the verse sustituting JESUS
`JESUS cometh by hearing.... and hearing by the WORD of GOD
LET'S SUBSTITUTE THE WORD FAITH WITH JESUS AS WHAT ERIC LIKES...
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect? james 2:22
Seest thou how JESUS wrought with his works and by works was JESUS made perfect? [eric]
What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has no works? Can his faith save him? Jas. 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has JESUS but has no works? Can his JESUS save him? [eric]
Faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. (Jas. 2:17)
JESUS by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [eric]
YOU TWISTED YOUR MIND SO BADLY NOW YOU ARE CONFUSED
is this one of your proof that God open your eyes to Bible truth?...
LIAR
Catherine
ReplyDeleteThe problem with INC and ANY FALSE Church is that they arrive at CONCLUSIONS based on ISOLATING VERSES and by taking a WORD like ``CHURCH`` out of the CONTEXTof which GOD meant!
CHURCH has DIFFERENT meanings . similar to BAPTISM.( there is the WATER baptism CEREMONY and there is the ONE BAPTISM that JESUS did when HE WASHED the SOUls of SIN with HIS BLOOD)
Church in the SENSE that its the BODY of CHRIST is this
``ALL THOSE BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD`` look in any Websters dictionary as its from the GREEK
YES CATHERINE there is also the LOCAL CONGREGATIONS called CHURCHES. these were formed to SPREAD the TRUE GOSPEL.. BUT if just ONE TINY DOCTRINE of a CHURCH is FALSE, then its NOT the EARTHLY extension or REPRESENTATION of GOD
Whether you want to agree with all of the FALSE doctrines I have PROVEN as to INC.. ie WATER baptism as a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED.. etc. well thats up to you.
And since a supposed TRUE CHURCH has as its FOUNDATION FALSE doctrines , then its FOUNDER FELIX can NOT be considered a MESSENGER of GOD.
CHURCH is the BODY and who knows HOW many were SAVED during those 1900 yrs os SUPPOSED aposatsy
Plus the FACT that the DETERMINING FACTOR of which ONLY GOD knows as to whether one is SAVED is REPENTING from the HEART
You IGNORE what i said as far as you EVEN knowing if the person sitting NEXT to you in worship service is SAVED
YOU dont know the HEART of that lady anymore than you know the HEART of REPENTANCE of a lady in AFRICA
So when you tally up all those GOD saved when there was SUPPOSEDLY no one showing ANYONE the TRUE WORD of God, and you add in all those GOD can save in 3rd world COUNTRIES where your SUPPOSED true CHURCH doesnt reach in time
Then you have what God is referring to
ALL THOSE BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD
This is the ``CHURCH`` that is the BODY
NOT a CHURCH who HAPPENS to be CALLED
CHURCH of CHRIST
This is the LAST time, I am sorry, i will EXPLAIN this
If God cant open your SPIRITUAL eyes and EARS there is nOTHING more i can say that will convince tyou!!
God bring you GRACE!!
eric said...
ReplyDelete...i cited just some of the criteria of the religion of CHRISTIANITY and that if an earthly congregation(church) is not abiding by all of these then they are a FALSE CHURCH and not actually of the religion of Christianity!
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eric said...
...Did I say I belong to any congregation or church like you are?? or did I say there is a congregation (church) that abides by the ENTIRE BIBLE? NO!!
SO TO YOU THEIR IS NO TRUE CHURCH...ALL ARE FALSE?
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eric said...
YES CATHERINE there is also the LOCAL CONGREGATIONS called CHURCHES. these were formed to SPREAD the TRUE GOSPEL..
now you say that there is a church formed to SPREAD the TRUE GOSPEL..
you contradict yourself...
is this one of your proof that God open your eyes to Bible truth?...
LIAR...
eric...
ReplyDeletewe inc are united in one beliefs and doctrine...
you said inc is false and a cult...
my question is...
are we[inc] all not save on judgement day?
Christian
ReplyDeleteThe TEST of whether one is a MESSENGER of GOD is if what he is SAYING is in TOTAL AGREEMENT with SCRIPTURE..
YOU ASSUME that it was HIS CALLING?
I say he WAS NOT CALLED as by EVIDENCE of HIS FALSE DOCTRINES and FALSE man-made SALVATION plan
I said the info i had received concerning his age when he SUPPOSEDLY locked himself in a room with the Bible was from a poster on README`s blog. I believe it was when README devoted a thread to me but since he has banned me there ,i am not sure if i have access to that thread.
I will check to see if i can still access that and I do recall it was either SIDEWINDER or Aerial had related this to me.
BUT the GOLD STANDARD as to whether one is a GOD-sent messenger is IF the TEACHINGS he is relating are in line with ALL OF THE BIBLE!
The RAVENOPUS bird and FAR EAST referring to PHILLIPINES is once again a MOOT point to argue as the MEASURE of s GOD-sent MESSENGER is if HE is TRUE TO THE WORD of GOPD
and by EVIDENCE of all the FALSE DOCTRINES of INC its clear he was neither a LAST messenger or any MESSENGER!!
Louie
ReplyDeleteis INC all SAVED on JUDGMENT day?
Do you have that LITTLE knowledge of GOD?
CAN you LOUIE look EVEN into the HEART of the person sitting next to you in worship service?
CAN you tell by LOOKING with ur EYES and HEARING with your EARS that that PERSON is TRUE to GOD and has FULLY REPENTED to God for their SINs and IF that REPENTANCE is up to the STANDARDS of GOD??
YOU CAN NOT as ONLY GOD knows the HEART of MAN
Lets ASSUME for ARGUMENT sake that the ONLY ones SAVED are those who are MEMBERs of INC!
Even if we could BELIEVE that .. you LOUIE as a FIBITE human BEING CAN NOT TELL who is SAVED as you are NOT GOD
GOD is the ONLY one who is
OMNISCIENT
OMNIPRESENT
OMNIPOTENT
eric...
ReplyDeletedon't show your dumbness in here...
don't change the question i ask you...
i'll will repeat again...
my question is...
are we[inc] all not save on judgement day?
Louie
ReplyDeleteI already answered this
God will guide HIS CHOSEN out of a place where the HOLY SPIRIT does not DWELL
Ill say this . if you are still in INC come JUDGMENT day and STILL DENYING from your HEART what GOD says in the BIBLE, then SURELY you will NOT be SAVED
BUT I can NOT answer for GOD
You could be one of those LOUIE since you appear so naive and young that you are atrending INC becuase you are STILL under the ROOF of your parenrs and are STAYING in INC just to PLEASE them
ONLY GOD knows your HEART
There are many i know In INC who are just going through the `MOTIONS: .. meaning taking up space in a chair in worship service but their HEART is not there
Ill give you an insight.. i know to this day there is a guy in USA who attends 2 tims a week to please his family but he told me he attends a Christian church on another day which HE BELIEVES is spreading the TRUE WORD
So in that instance if he is INDEED REPENTING from his heart and truly looking for he RIGHT place to FIND the WORD. even though he too is s QUASI-member of INC
God ONLY knows HIS HEART!!
ERIC SAID...
ReplyDeleteMy SALVATION HAS NOTHING to do with being a QUASI member of a CULT...
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eric said...
God will guide HIS CHOSEN out of a place where the HOLY SPIRIT does not DWELL
Louie
ReplyDeleteYou NEVER fail to show how Either inept or childish you can be!!
To be a QUASI-member of aomething, like my time with INC, means that even though I am there PHYSICALLY, mY HEART was NOT as I know its a CULT. HENCE, God of course knows that too, and wont hold it against me in determining my FATE!
ANYTHING in life that is GOOD is BECAUSE of GOD and is a RESULT of God`s doing.
TO clarify for you , yes God OPENED my eys to the TRUTH about the CATHOLIC church. I dont BOAST and THUMP my chest for that REALIZATION.
NO!! all PRAISE and GLORY be to GOD!!
CAn you find the SEEMING or APPARENT CONTRADICTION any where here??
NO!!!!!
eric said...
ReplyDeleteIll say this . if you are still in INC come JUDGMENT day and STILL DENYING from your HEART what GOD says in the BIBLE, then SURELY you will NOT be SAVED
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eric said...
The thief on the CROSS is the PERFECT example!| Did he do anything outwardly in action or deed that would resemble contriteness or humility
eric said...
ReplyDeleteIll say this . if you are still in INC come JUDGMENT day and STILL DENYING from your HEART what GOD says in the BIBLE, then SURELY you will NOT be SAVED
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eric said...
[ i asked...IS BIBLICAL OBEDIENCE GUARANTEES BLESSINGS AND SALVATION?... ]
NO!! WORKs are not seen by GOD as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED...eric answered
eric asked...
ReplyDeleteCAn you find the SEEMING or APPARENT CONTRADICTION any where here??
eric said...
God of course knows that too, and wont hold it against me in determining my FATE!
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eric said...
I dont BOAST
eric...
ReplyDeletedon't show your dumbness in here...
don't change the question i ask you...
i'll repeat again and again...
my question is...
are we[inc] all not save on judgement day?
eric said...
ReplyDeleteONLY GOD knows your HEART
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eric said...
There are many i know In INC who are just going through the `MOTIONS: .. meaning taking up space in a chair in worship service but their HEART is not there
playing GOD again eric...huh
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"The RAVENOPUS bird and FAR EAST referring to PHILLIPINES is once again a MOOT point to argue as the MEASURE of s GOD-sent MESSENGER is if HE is TRUE TO THE WORD of GOPD"
It is a MOOT POINT to you because you cannot REFUTE it.
Bro. Aerial is right about you...when you cannot prove false what he had proven to be TRUE, and if you cannot prove to be TRUE what you are trying to prove.
Your alibi and escape: IT's LAME! It's MOOT!
Hahahahaha...
Eric you said:
ReplyDelete``ALL THOSE BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD`` look in any Websters dictionary as its from the GREEK"
I have a WEBSTER's DICTIONARY right now and it does not say that. Can you tell me the exact dictionary and what Greek word you're talking about? And can I ask, is this dictionary the basis of your faith? Is Webster an authority of God's word?
brod christian...
ReplyDeletekorek ka dyan...
kanina pa nga yan naka online di maka post...
natameme na naman...
takot lang siguro nakagawa ng kontradiksyon...
dami na...50 na...
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"Ill give you an insight.. i know to this day there is a guy in USA who attends 2 tims a week to please his family but he told me he attends a Christian church on another day which HE BELIEVES is spreading the TRUE WORD
So in that instance if he is INDEED REPENTING from his heart and truly looking for he RIGHT place to FIND the WORD. even though he too is s QUASI-member of INC."
Why? You think if you stay in a RELIGION that it is not true, God will still save you? This is clearly written in the Bible:
Revelations 18:4-5 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
God said to those who belong to the FALSE RELIGION to "COME OUT OF HER!!!"
He did not say "STAY THERE JUST TO PLEASE YOUR WIFE OR YOUR LOVEONES, AND I WILL STILL SAVE YOU.", did he?
Whatever sins that RELIGION had done against God, you will be a partaker of the PUNISHMENT that God will bestowed upon them, because you are there for you are a member or quasi-member, whatever...
If the ship sinks and you’re in it, you go down with it, even though you’re a TRUE CREW or just pretending to be a CREW…
God bless all true brethrens in the INC...
catherine 2011 Websters
ReplyDeleteGreek.. Kyriakos
Of or pertaining to the LORD
So the CHURCH is ALL those GOD SELECTED or ELECTED to be HIS.. to be SAVED
Catherine you are just ACCUSTOMED, as you are with BAPTISM and FAITH, what INC teaches you
and thats a LIMITED use of words
But EACH word has a BROADER and sometimes Multiple meanings, depending on the context
INC NEVER teaches you ANYTHING but a WATER baptism but that is just a TYPE of BAPTISM
To be TRULY BAPTIZED is to be WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED of aLL your SINS by JESUS on the CROSS
CHURCH can be the local CONGREGATIONs but the CHURCH that was the BODY of JESUS are all those PERTAINING to or BELONGING to GOD
That encompasses a FAR GREATER span of PEOPLE
Christian
ReplyDeleteLet me give you this analogy that will hopefully show you what i mean
There are really 2 TYPES of people at a baseball game
THE FAN and the SPECTATOR
THe FAN is an ACTIVE participant in the crowd
HE YELLS.. HE CHEERS
HE watches INTENTLY on EVERY pitch EVERY CATCH.. EVRERY PLAY that COMPRISES that INNING of that game
The SPECTATOR is not really a FAN of either team
He isnt be FOCUSED on the EVENT
He might daydream or be seen TEXTING or talking to his wife etc
he might even fall asleep from BOREDOM
EVEN if i am TECHNICALLY a MEMBER of INC
I am NOT an ACTIVE participant
I dont RESPOND at all
I am there in BODY only as a SPECTATOR
My mind might be thinking of verses INC NEVER addresses
The point is My being a QUASI_member of INC has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on MY SALVATION
WHY ?? CAUSE God knows what you dont know or EVER will
MY HEART
You think you can JUDGE me now by knowing that I am ONLY there for my wife.
BUT you dont even know the guy sitting NEXT to you and HIS GEART
Sure he might respond and say amens etc
BUT ONLY GOD KNOWS whats in his heart and why he is there
God only knows if he knows that INC is a CULT
Now you see the DIFFERENCE??
Chrsitian
ReplyDeleteAnd you ONLY see and HEAR what you want to
The MEASURING stick of whether one is a TRUE MESSEGER of the WORD of GOD is whether what he TEACHES is in TOTAL CONGRUANCE with the BIBLE
And as I ahve shown, FELIX did NOT teach in accordance with the BIBLE
His doctrines were man-made
He taught FALSE doctrines
``. WATER baptisM is a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED etc
SO what you see as to the RAVENOUS bird and ISLANDS referring to the PHillipines
is SPECULATION and ASSUMPTION
But we dont NEED to assume or speculate whether FELIX is a MESSENGER of GOD
All we have to do is look at what he teaches and hOW its NOT BIBLICAL!"
eric said...
ReplyDeleteGod only knows if he knows that INC is a CULT
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eric said...
YES Louie LIKE ME!!! MY HEART isnt there as its a CULT!
playing God again huh...
eric said...
ReplyDeleteThe MEASURING stick of whether one is a TRUE MESSEGER of the WORD of GOD is whether what he TEACHES is in TOTAL CONGRUANCE with the BIBLE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321707540/ERIC...THE+ANTICHRIST+%26amp%3B+ANTI+BIBLE
YOU HAD BEEN MEASURED...
AND FOUND WANTED...
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"SO what you see as to the RAVENOUS bird and ISLANDS referring to the PHillipines
is SPECULATION and ASSUMPTION"
Ok Eric let us not SPECULATE nor ASSUME.
Isaiah 46:11 “Calling A RAVENOUS BIRD FROM THE EAST, the man that executeth my counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.” [KJV]
Ok, this is your CHANCE to put an end to the INC’s ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS according to you, by answering directly these questions:
1. Who is the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’s COUNSEL?
2. What is the FAR COUNTRY from the EAST [MIZRACH = FAR EAST] where he will come from that is composed of ISLANDS as mentioned in ISAIAH 24:15?
Let’s put to the TEST if it’s true what you said to Sis. Catherine:
“…God only REVEALS the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC truth to those HE decides to OPEN their SPIRITUAL eyes and ears.”
Prove to us that GOD has revealed to you the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH when He opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS by DIRECTLY ANSWERING those questions Eric…
We will wait for your answer…
I’m still waiting for you to tell me the name of the POSTER who told you the LIE that you copied regarding the age of Bro. Felix Manalo when he entered a room for 3 days and nights with a Bible.
Well Eric you did say ANY WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY right?
ReplyDelete``ALL THOSE BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD`` look in any Websters dictionary as its from the GREEK
When you say "ANY", it means "ALL WEBSTER's DICTIONARY, right?
Why my Dictionary said this?
"Definition of CHURCH
1: a building for public and especially Christian worship
2: the clergy or officialdom of a religious body
3 often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as
a : the whole body of Christians
b : denomination
c : congregation"
[Merriam Webster's Dictionary, 2011 Ed.]
Now let’s go to the GREEK WORD that you gave me as where you derive your Church’s definition:
You said:
“Greek.. Kyriakos”
I have been online and checked the meaning of KYRIAKOS from several websites and never I find the definition that you’re saying:
This WEBSTER’s DICTIONARY website said that it is a “NAME of a PERSON”:
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Kyriakos
And this website said:
“In Greek many names have male and female form. Sunday is called in Greek Κυριακή (KYRIAKI) and it means "Lord's (God's) day". KYRIAKI is also a female name taken after the day.
The male form of the name KYRIAKI is KYRIAKOS.
So one can say that it means 'LORD'S DAY' as well.”
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_Greek_name_Kyriakos
Both sites are telling that it is a “GREEK NAME”, and as you can see it does not refer to the CHURCH…
My BIBLE DICTIONARY said this:
"Derived probably from the Greek "kuriakon" (i.e., "THE LORD'S HOUSE"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship. In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ECCLESIA, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an ASSEMBLY, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning." (Easton's Bible Dictionary.)
The NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS never used other terms except the term “ECCLESIA”….
So sorry Eric, seems like your definition of your CHURCH is just maybe your own PERSONAL INVENTION. Hahahaha!
Catherine
ReplyDeleteYou are still focused on EARTHLY
THE HOUSE of the LORD
NOT the PHYSICAL HOUSE
The SPIRITUAL HOUSE
To be of the ``HOUSE`` of the LORD is to be WITH HIM FOREVER
YOU will DWELL (LIVE) with HIM
GOD ASSEMBLES
GOD GATHERS
GOD CALLS
Also the ``BODY of CHRISTIANS```is the CHURCH
Who are the BODY of CHRISTIANS?
its all those GOD has CALLED
its all those God has ASSEMBLED
Its ALL those GOD ELECTED to SAVE
Even INC admits that during the SUPPOSED apostasy of 1900 years PEOPLE were SAVED!!
PONDER that CATHERINE 1900 YEARS!!
You think that there were just a few SAVED??
GOD ASSEMBLES HIS CHILDREN
God CALLED HIS children
ALL of those BECAME the BODY of JESUS
SO CHURCH is NOT CONFINED to the LITERAL congregation that has a NAME
CHURCH of CHRIST
You take the word BAPTISM and your church does the same
ALL INC focuses on is the CEREMONY or RITUAL man does
BUT the WORD BAPTISM has DEEPER SPIRITUAL meaning
the same holds for CHURCH
To be of the CHURCH or BODY of JESUS one has to be BLESSED,, CALLED .. ASSEMBLEDinton his HOUSE(not the LITERAL)
I realize being in INC they ONLY tell your SURFACE meanings And INC that NO one OUTSIDE the INC today is SAVED
God can SAVE ANYONE HE so Wishes
And since HE can they TOO are of the BODY of JESUS
So then CHURCH is ALL THOSE BELONGING to GOD
The ENTIRE BODY of CHRISTIANS
This is why you dont see that FAITH is JESUS
its THE FAITH of JESUS that is the REQUIREMENT
CATHERINE
There is
ONE FAITH .... JESUS
ONE CHURCH.. THE ELECT who are the BODY
ONE BAPTISM .. BY JESUS on the CROSS
Praise be to GOD
I have a definition for you Sis Catherine:
ReplyDelete“Our English word “CHURCH” (also, e.g., Scottish kirk, German Kirche) is derived from the Greek word kyriakos, meaning “BELONGING TO THE LORD” (kyrios). THIS GREEK WORD, HOWEVER, WAS NEVER APPLIED TO THE CHURCH IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. The closest approximation is 1 Corinthians 11:22 “the Lord’s [kyriakon] supper” and Revelation 1:10, “ the Lord’s [kyriake] day….Even though kyriakos does not in the New Testament specifically relate to the church, surely the church does belong to the Lord.” [RENEWAL THEOLOGY, John Rodman Williams, page 15]
Eric is making a big mistake to take the definition of the word ”KYRIAKOS” from where the English word “CHURCH” was derived from, because it is not the word’s TRUE MEANING.
The source for the evolution of words does not necessarily mean that it will carry the same meaning of the word where it came from or where it was derived from.
The word “CHRIST” for example have this meaning: “THE ANOINTED ONE”.
It is where the word “CHRISTIAN” was derived from which has this meaning:
“A real disciple of Christ; one who believes in the truth of the Christian religion, and studies to follow the example, and obey the precepts, of Christ; a believer in Christ who is characterized by real piety.” [Webster’s 1828 Dictionary]
CHRIST = THE ANOINTED ONE
CHRISTIAN = DISCIPLES or FOLLOWERS of CHRIST
See? They don’t have the same meaning, weren’t they?
Eric is committing a STUPID ACTION to define the word “CHURCH” based from the word where it was derived.
And he is getting the definition of an “ENGLISH WORD”, for Christ’s sake.
Was ENGLISH the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE used by Jesus Christ and the Apostles?
You can never define words from the Bible by using merely the meaning of its TRANSLATED WORD, for that would be a disaster.
“KYRIAKOS” is the Greek Word from where the ENGLISH WORD “CHURCH” came from or was derived from, and this Greek Word was never used to define the Church that is mentioned in the NEW TESTAMENT written in GREEK which is mentioned originally as “EKKLESIA”.
The word “KYRIAKOS” is not found in the ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPTS,
Therefore it is not in the Bible in its ORIGINAL FORM.
The word “EKKLESIA” which appeared in 106 VERSES in the GREEK BIBLE, which was used by the Apostles to call the CHURCH in the NEW TESTAMENT were not derived nor originate from the Greek word “KYRIAKOS”…
So the definition of Eric’s CHURCH is not its TRUE MEANING for it is not based in the ORIGINAL GREEK but based only in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE which of course not the ORIGINAL.
On the other hand the TAGALOG word for “CHURCH” is “IGLESIA”, which is a SPANISH WORD which was a TRANSLITERATION of the word “EKKELESIA” in the Original Greek.
No wonder our religion’s original and proper name is “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” for it is the word closer to the ORIGINAL GREEK, see it for yourself:
“εκκλησιαι του χριστου”
“EKKLESIA TOU KRISTOU”
“IGLESIA NI CRISTO”
God bless all brethrens in Christ…
Let me ask you one question Eric, that I wish you will answer directly;
ReplyDeleteWhen you say that GOD WILL JUDGE OUR HEARTS, would that mean 100% we are saved in JUDGMENT DAY?
YES or NO!
Please answer...
Catherine
ReplyDeleteI dont fully understand your question
What 100 %
Are 100% of the PEOPLe saved? NO
THE HEart IS WHAT GOD knows
How more direct can i make that to you?
When Aerial says if they dont get to a tribe in Africa with INC then Aerial says they are DOOMED for HELL.
NO one can say that
I gave you the example of you sitting next to a lady in worship service.
CAN you see into HER HEART?
ONLY GOD KNOWS who HAS REPENTED from the HEART.
Now 100% are we saved on JUDGMENT day?
Technicaly.. nO
Those who are TRUE BELIEVERS at sometime in their life will HAVE an INTENSE desire to DO the WILL of God but they still have a BODY thats SINFUL in nature.
Sure they will now NOT SIN like before when they LUSTED after it.
if you are one of the ELECT , SIN will be REPULSIVE to you and you will revile in just thinking of that you have done
This is what I mean by GOd opening your SPIRITUAL eyss and ears. This encompasses a WIDE range of issues like SMOKING and DRINKING and using vulgar language and cheating on ones spouse etc.
Catherine all those things to a TRUE CHRISTIAN will be REVOLTING to him or her ONCE GOD has BLESSED you and OPENED your eyes.
I hope this explains this better.
Now as far as CHURCH
Even if we take Aerials explanation
CHURCH is the HOUSE of the LORD
BUT HOUSE is NOT CONFINED to a BUILDING or CONGREGATION
TO be in the HOUSE of the LORD is to be of the BODY of JESUS.
Amen
ERIC SAID...
ReplyDelete...HEART is what matters as ONLY God knows whats written upon ones HEART!
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ERIC SAID...
You have NO HEART if you are in the CULT
eric is playing God again...
Eric,
ReplyDeleteI did not ask you if 100% of people will be saved on JUDGMENT DAY.
My question is:
When we say "GOD WILL JUDGE OUR HEART", would that mean 100% we are saved?
Meaning upon JUDGMENT of our HEARTS by GOD, is that 100% assurance that He will save us?
Are there nobody EXEMPTED of GOD's JUDGMENT in JUDGMENT DAY?
Please give verses to support your answer.
And please answer Bro. Christian's questions.
eric...
ReplyDeletei will asked you this question again...
i hope you use your opened eyes and ears in answering this...
IS BIBLICAL OBEDIENCE...I MEAN TOTAL OBEDIENCE...GUARANTEES BLESSING AND SALVATION?...
you can answer cathy and christian first...
i can wait...
Catherine
ReplyDeleteWhy should I answer the same questions over and over , when you INGORE my questions
1. You as a member of the SUPPOSED TRue Church. the EXTENSION and REPRESENTATION on earth of the WORD of God..
Do you know the HEART of the person sitting next to you in a worship service?
Sure she might sob loudly and you see her give offerings etc.
But who is the ONLY one that KNOWS HER HEART?? THAT her WORKS and ACTIONS are GENUINE??
I hope you know that is GOD!!
What does ONLY God know ??
*** HE ONLY knows who REPENTS***
NOt the OUTWARD REPENTING that is ACTION or DEED or a WORK
But the INNER REPENTING
"" REPENT YE and be BAPTIZED""
REPENT from the HEART
So GOd will determine who has FULLY REPENTED to HIM and if that LEVEL of REPENTANCE is up to HIS STANDARDS
NO Church or minister or person
CAN MAKE that DETERMINATION
And its NOT based on whether one is WATER baptized or an OFFICIAL member of your Church.
How can I make this ANY CLEARER ??
So YES 100 % SAVED
BUT now comes the part that is TRICKY
Once we have been CHOSEN as one of the ELECT based on REPENTANCE, then the OUTWARD action will be the EVIDENCE( TO GOD) of that we NOW have an intense DESIRE to DO THE WILL of GOD
Hence leaving a FALSE CHURCH like INC will be the OUTWARD sign that we INDEED CCULD be a child of God and a TRUE BELIEVER.
NOTICE I said the EVIDENCE will be to GOD!!
BUT you and I can NOT tell that!!!
ONLY GOD knows IF that ACTION or WORK is a RESULT of GOD ELECTING us and OPENING our SPIRITUAL EYES
BUt the person who is TRULY a TRUE BELIEVER will have his or her eyes OPENED and see that churches like INC are FALSE.
GOD DOES ALL of this on HIS TIMETABLE!!
Louie
ReplyDeleteYour question is EASIER so i will address that NEXT!
TOTAL OBEDIENCE to the WORD??
Louie who is the ONLY one who NEVER sinned?? JESUS
So if we are BLESSED to be one of the ELECT. yes then we will have an INTENSE DESIRE to DO THE WILL of GOD
BUT can we be 100% TOTALLY oBEDIENT to that WORD??
NO !!
Because we still have a bODY that is LUSTING after SIN.. an IMPERFECT BODY
we would ONLY have a PERFECT body when and if we are with GOD in the NEW HEAVEN!
And the OBSEDIENCE to the WORD or BIBLE will ONLY come as a RESULT of being ONE of the CALLED.. THE ASSEMBLED.. THE CHOSEN
Like I taught you BEFORE
WORKS that we do are NOT SEEN as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTFIED
eric...
ReplyDeleteyour really and idiot...
i'm not asking if we can be 100% obedient to God or not...
what i'm asking is this...
IS BIBLICAL OBEDIENCE...I MEAN TOTAL OBEDIENCE...GUARANTEES BLESSING AND SALVATION?...
wake up oldman...
don't evade this question...
by the way be aware not to make contradictions it's now 53 and counting...
IDIOT LOUIE
ReplyDeleteTOTAL OBEDIENCE GUARANTEES BLESSING and SALVATION?
And above that you just ssid you are NOT asking is we can be 100 % obedient to God or NOT?
Those 2 statements are IN CONTRADICTION to One another
1. OUR WORKS or OBEDIENCE to the WORD is NOT what God sees as either RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in DETERMINING who is SAVED
2. OUR REPENTANCE from our HEART is what GOD sees ONLY
eric lunatic said...
ReplyDeleteOUR WORKS or OBEDIENCE to the WORD is NOT what God sees as either RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in DETERMINING who is SAVED
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eric lunatic said...
OUR REPENTANCE from our HEART is what GOD sees ONLY
this shows again your lunacy oldman...
repentance is obedience to the word written in the bible...
REPENT...
shallow...your very shallow...
eric said...
ReplyDeleteTOTAL OBEDIENCE GUARANTEES BLESSING and SALVATION?
he said that's my question...
hahaha...
your really an idiot...
this is my question oldman idiot...
compare it to the one you post...liar
IS BIBLICAL OBEDIENCE...I MEAN TOTAL OBEDIENCE...GUARANTEES BLESSING AND SALVATION?...
by the way...
i know now your answer...
this "OBEDIENCE to the WORD is NOT what God sees as either RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in DETERMINING who is SAVED"
i'll biblically refute your answer to my next post...
eric...
ReplyDeleteBlessings for Obedience...Guaranteed...
Deuteronomy 28 (New Living Translation)
If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully keep all his commands that I am giving you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the world. 2 You will experience all these blessings if you obey the Lord your God:
3 Your towns and your fields
will be blessed.
4 Your children and your crops
will be blessed.
The offspring of your herds and flocks
will be blessed.
5 Your fruit baskets and breadboards
will be blessed.
6 Wherever you go and whatever you do,
you will be blessed.
7 The Lord will conquer your enemies when they attack you. They will attack you from one direction, but they will scatter from you in seven!
8 The Lord will guarantee a blessing on everything you do and will fill your storehouses with grain. The Lord your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.
9 If you obey the commands of the Lord your God and walk in his ways, the Lord will establish you as his holy people as he swore he would do. 10 Then all the nations of the world will see that you are a people claimed by the Lord, and they will stand in awe of you.
11 The Lord will give you prosperity in the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, blessing you with many children, numerous livestock, and abundant crops. 12 The Lord will send rain at the proper time from his rich treasury in the heavens and will bless all the work you do. You will lend to many nations, but you will never need to borrow from them. 13 If you listen to these commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today, and if you carefully obey them, the Lord will make you the head and not the tail, and you will always be on top and never at the bottom. 14 You must not turn away from any of the commands I am giving you today, nor follow after other gods and worship them.
NOW ERIC TELL US...WHY DO YOU DISAGREE TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS...
God also says this LOUIE
ReplyDeleteRomans 9:11
"GOD ELECTS... nOT according to WORKS
But HIS WILL"
Romans 3:10
"There is NONE.. RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE"
Romans 3;20
BY the DEEDS(WORKS) of the LAW .. there shall be NO flesh "JUSTIFIED"
IN HIS(GODS) SIGHT!!!"
Romans 3:28
"" We conclue man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH
"WITHOUT" the DEEDS(WORKS) of the LAW"
Epistle of PAUL: (TO TITUS) 3:5
"" NOT by WORKS of RIGHTEOUNESS which we have done, but according to HIS MERCY, HE SAVED us, By the WASHING(ONE BAPTISM by JESUS)
of REGENERATION, adn RENEWING by the HOLY GHOST"
Louie. your assignment is to RECONCILE the verses YOU cited with the ones that OPPOSE yours
I know they dont but Ill wait to see if you can bEFORE I teach you!!
God bless
I am still waiting for an answer to my questions Eric...
ReplyDeleteLet the power of your God who opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS, help you tell us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD AND THE FAR COUNTRY FROM THE FAR EAST THAT HE WILL COME FROM?
Come on Eric don't be shy, there is a lot of people waiting for your answer...hehehehehe
So according to your OPINION when God Judge our HEARTS that is 100% SAVED.
ReplyDeleteSo God's JUDGMENT = 100% SAVED
Would you confirm this?
Would that also mean that if God will not JUDGE us it will mean that we are not SAVED?
YES or NO!
You did not answer my 2nd question so I will repeat it again:
"Are there nobody EXEMPTED of GOD's JUDGMENT in JUDGMENT DAY?"
Now my 3rd question is:
Will 100% of the TRUE INC MEMBERS will go to hell?
Please answer this, and as I requested, support your answer with a VERSE or VERSES from the Bible.
Would you confirm Mr.Eric that God is the speaker on those verses that you quote in the Letter to the ROMANS?
ReplyDeleteCan you confirm accurate what you said:
"God also says this LOUIE"
1. I have a question for you Mr. Eric? Is the letter to the ROMANS was written for the people in our present time or it was only written for the Gentile Christians which was in Rome during the Apostles' time?
2. Does the writer of that letter specifically or directly said that there is no need for us to obey God's Law? Or it was just your interpretation?
Kindly answer this clearly.
Please answer this question.
Eric is just the same as those MISGUIDED individuals who place their own understanding as if it were based on the bible.
ReplyDeleteAerial is right. He's the one whose IGNORING the bible verses. And dwells on his usual SILLY ACCUSATIONs borne out of this MISGUIDED COMPREHENSION on matters of FAITH.
Sample WHEREs this ETERNAL CHURCH he's been babbling about? Did CHRIST ever taught about that or the apostles?
But its not really surprising Eric is into such delusional thinking. He is even convinced he's right by his own SILLY PERCEPTION.
As usual Eric is like Keating instead of ANSWERING the question DIRECTLY he goes to some other mud hole. With the HOPE we don't REITERATE the POINTs of our question.
Like Keating he's quite good at ACCUSING us of this BASELESS SILLY understanding. Poor soul.
JO king,
ReplyDeletesi f.manalo rapist na mangyak pa hehehe
yung mga ministro nyo kaya pag nakikipagsiping sa misis nila sinabi ba nila opo sya nga po tuwad o syempre iba-iba posisyon hehehe iniisip nila tinuro ni f.manalo hahahaha
Hi po sa lahat ng mga kapatid sa local ng lucena distrito apat.
ReplyDeletemabuhay po.
Catherine
ReplyDelete1. You are asking me if God is the JUDGE??
Are you being silly now or what?
2. God will ELECT and CHOOSE who is SAVED and this has ALREADY been decided CARHEREINE
BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the WORLD
God chose a PEOPLE for HIM that HE would have MERCY opon
God ONLY knows the list
3. Look as far as INC i tried to explain this to louie but i thought you would read that
God will guide HIS CHILDREN out of a CULT. and those HE guides will be based on whatt ONLY HE knows.. THEIR HEART
However we as humans cant determine that if one is leaving INC that GOD has done that.
If one is ELECTED he will nOT be an ACTIVE member of INC
He will have no PART in a CULT.
However, I am certain there are those like me who are there once in a while in BODY only. pleasing a mom or dad to keep PEACE in the HOUSE
BUt you are asking me to make a JUDGMENT on others
I dont know the HEARTS of EVERY individual
If they are TRUE to INC and DENY CHRIST being GOD in their HEART of COURSE they wont be SAVED
If they TRULY KNOW INC is a CULT and God sees that they have REPENTED then yes God can SAVE them IF they are just a MEMBER in BODY ONLY.
But if they are DEVOUT to the FALSE TEACHINGs of INC and remain til the LAST day
Then God will not save them.
ASs i said catherine which you IGNORE all the TIME
MAN cant LOOK INTO the HEART of another.
You cant EVEN know that the person sitting NEXT to you is a DEVOUT INC MEMBER or just putting on a good show.
ONLY GOd knows this.
Patrick Longhorn
ReplyDeleteWhere did I say one DOESNT have to OBEY the WORD of GOD??
Dont play the LOUIE game and paraphrase me.
The BIBLE is the LAW BOOK
The Old and new TESTAMENT
LAW of GOD
God commands us to OBEY him
This DOESNT equate in to AUTOMATIC SALVATION for those who do
Those WORKS or OBEDIENCE to the WORD are NOT seen BY GOD as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in HIM DETERMONING IF youare SAVED or NOT
WHY ??
BECAUSE one could do WORks and OBEY most of the bible and they COUld be HOLLOW
On the outide to a lay person, wow those DEEDS or WORKS might seem so LOYAL and pious and RIGHTEOUS
BUT what separates the TRUE CHRISTIAN from another is the HEART
One must
REPENT and BE baptized
Then God will bless you and THEN you will have a NEW INTENSE desire to DO THE WILL of GOD
But obeying commnands DOESNT guarnteee SALVATION.
You know a lot of people do GOOD DEEDS and WORKS and theN EXPECT God to REWARD them with BLESSINGS and MERCY and GRACE
BUT the TRUE BELIEVER does ACTS or WORKS or DEEDS and comes HUMBLY before GOD and with a CONTRITE heart and says:
God I DESERVE NOTHING
I am a DIRTY ROTTEN SINNER
I can NOT do ANY ACT or WORK that will JUSTIFY YOU of HAVING MERCY on me..
I can ONLY BEG YOU for FORGIVENESS and plead with you to ELECT me to be one of your CHOSEN
In CONCLUSION ONLY GOD knows the DEEDS and WORKS of man and what they are,
HE DECIDES on ones SALVATION based on HIS STANDARDS of how you REPENTED from your HEART for your SINS!!!
P.s
This among other doctrines FELIX
ADDED to the WORD of GOD
JESUS said:
`DO this in MEMORY of me``
FElix adds that this is a REQUIREMENT in CEREMONIES like WATER baptism and HOLY SUPPER to be SAVED
The BIBLE DOESNT say THAT
You are to do those RITUALS to GIVE PRAISE and HONOR to JESUS
But FELIX adds on to the WORD by making them REQUIREMENTS to be of the BODY of HIM!
hahaha.....
ReplyDeleteewan ko ba tong sa mga inc..
nakalito ang mga aral..
^_^
Si Brod Khafji po ito...
ReplyDeletecopy & paste ko ito para naman sa mga hindi pa nakakaunawa.... GOD BLESS PO.
Hello po… Sa mga kapatid sa INC sa buong mundo… musta na po kayo?.. ako ay mula sa local ng Khafji, K.S.A.
SA mga tumutuligsa at sa mga nagsusuri… malapit na ang panahon ng pagtawag sa inyo ng Diyos kaya ganoon na lang ang iyong pag iisip...Tandaan po natin ang Diyos ang tagapagligtas… hindi ang iglesia… bagkus ang ililigtas ng Diyos ay ang Iglesia… Sapagkat ito ang tamang kaparaan ng Diyos sa kaligtasan… Ang mga taong pumapasok sa iglesia ay yaong mga “tinatawag” o dinaragdag sa Iglesia na ililigtas Niya… Sa mga taong handang humingi ng kapatawaran at kilalanin niya ang kanyang kasalanan, ang pagsisisi na bukal sa kanyang puso at handang sumunod, maglingkod para sa Kanya…At kilalanin niya ang iisang tunay na Diyos ay ang AMA at ang kanyang anak na si Jesucristo na panginoon natin, na Kanyang sinugo para tayo ay tubusin sa ating mga kasalanan… Sana maunawaan ninyo ito… lahat tayo ay may pagkakasala sa harap ng Diyos. Ang kasalanan ang siyang nagtakip ng kanyang mukha sa atin para ang Diyos ay hindi makinig sa atin mga panalangin… Walang ibang paraan para muli tayo(bilang tao) ay makapagbalik loob sa Diyos… kundi ang matubos ng mahalagang dugo ni Cristo… Ang tinubos ng dugo ni Cristo ay walang iba kundi ang iglesia ni Cristo.(gawa:20:28)…
Kaya nga… Sana katulad din ng ibang pang mga dati (mga kapatid na ngayon) ay tinawag at nakaunawa na sa mga aral ng Iglesia ni Cristo… Sa bawat pag uusig na ginagawa ninyo at sa mga iba pang mga kababayan natin na katulad ng ginagawang panglalait sa Iglesia ay hindi kami ang ang iyong inuusig kundi ang ating panginoong Jesucristo mismo… Dahil kami ay “IGLESIA NI CRISTO”. Taglay ang banal na pangalan ni Cristo kaya hindi nakakapagtaka kung magagalit, masusuya, o magdaramdam kayo sa amin… Ang panginoong JesuCristo man ay inusig ng kanyang sariling mga kababayang Hudyo… Dahil sa pag sunod sa kalooban ng Tunay na Diyos na nagsugo sa kanya… Wala kaming ginawang masama sa bawat isa sa inyo. Kundi ang sumunod sa mga aral na nasa Biblia na ipabalita ang pagliligtas ng Diyos sa kanyang Iglesia. Dahil sa pag sunod sa mga aral na nasa biblia na isa lamang ang tunay na Diyos at iyon ay ang Ama.. at ang kanyang Iglesia ay kanyang ililigtas… hindi ninyo matanggap dahil hindi pa ninyo nalalaman ang katotohanan ng mga lihim na panukala ng Dios na natago sa lihim at hiwaga, datapuwat hindi sa mga nakakaalam na ng mga katotohanan…
SANA BAGO TAYO MANLAIT AT MAG-AKUSA NG MGA MALING PARATANG AT PAGKILING SA MGA KASINUNGALINGAN AY SURIIN AT SALIKSIKIN NINYO MUNA ANG MGA ARAL NG BIBLIA…at kayo ang magpapasya!
Ang apila ko lang sana ay tayo ay magbalik na loob sa Tunay na Diyos na sana kayo man ay matawag na rin sa loob ng Iglesia…at dito sama-sama nating sambahin ang iisang tunay na Diyos- ang AMA… Ang Diyos ng ating Panginoong JesuCristo at Diyos nating lahat!
May awa ang Diyos sa atin… laging may puwang ang Kanyang pag-ibig at pagmamahal sa mga nagbabalik loob – katulad ng ginawa niya sa akin.
Brother in Christ,
-Khafji (Edwin B.)
Eric you are the one being silly here not me:
ReplyDeleteYou said:
“1. You are asking me if God is the JUDGE??
Are you being silly now or what?”
Just when did I ask you if GOD is the JUDGE?? Can you quote in my statement when I asked you that?
So I will ask you again my question since you seem ignoring it and your spiritual eyes can’t see it
“So according to your OPINION when God Judge our HEARTS that is 100% SAVED. [or we are 100% saved]
“So God's JUDGMENT = 100% SAVED
Would you confirm this?
Would that also mean that if God will not JUDGE us it will mean that we are not SAVED?
YES or NO!
Answer that properly; avoid your nonsense talks…
My next question is:
"Are there nobody EXEMPTED of GOD's JUDGMENT in JUDGMENT DAY?"
Your VERY FAR answer:
“2. God will ELECT and CHOOSE who is SAVED and this has ALREADY been decided CARHEREINE
BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the WORLD
God chose a PEOPLE for HIM that HE would have MERCY opon
God ONLY knows the list”.
Answer this with a YES or a NO, then prove your answer by showing a BIBLE VERSE…please let your Bible answer my question
My last question is:
“Will 100% of the TRUE INC MEMBERS will go to hell?”
The only closer answer to my question from your very long story that you said is this:
If they are TRUE to INC and DENY CHRIST being GOD in their HEART of COURSE they wont be SAVED
So it means your answer is clear: 100% OF TRUE INC MEMBERS WILL GO TO HELL. Because all of us do not believe that Jesus Christ is GOD.
But the Bible said the other way contrary to what you said:
1 Tim 2:4-5 “GOD WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED AND TO KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH, which is, There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. JESUS WAS TRULY HUMAN, and he gave himself to rescue all of us.” [CEV]
And those who do not believe that Jesus Christ is a HUMAN is the AntiChrist:
1 John 4:2-3 “This is how you can recognize God's Spirit: EVERY PERSON WHO DECLARES THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME AS A HUMAN HAS THE SPIRIT THAT IS FROM GOD. But EVERY PERSON WHO DOESN'T DECLARE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME AS A HUMAN HAS A SPIRIT THAT ISN'T FROM GOD. This is the spirit of the ANTICHRIST that you have heard is coming. That spirit is already in the world.” [GW]
And those who believed that the FATHER as the ONLY TRUE GOD will be granted ETERNAL LIFE:
John 17:3 “THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE: TO KNOW YOU [THE FATHER], THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.” [GW]
It is very clear that in order for us to attain ETERNAL LIFE we cannot avoid to accept the TRUTH that can save us recognizing the FATHER as the ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST whom he SENT, or as GOD’S MESSENGER.
John 17:21 “I pray that all of these people continue to have unity in the way that you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they may be united with us SO THAT THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE SENT ME.” [GW]
So I think your answer to my 3rd question is also definitely wrong…because the Holy Scriptures does not agree with your assumptions.
God bless all TRUE BRETHRENS in CHRIST, who believed that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST whom he SENT…
Eric you are contradicting yourself hahahaha:
ReplyDeleteYou said:
“Where did I say one DOESNT have to OBEY the WORD of GOD??”
Versus this:
“Those WORKS or OBEDIENCE to the WORD are NOT seen BY GOD as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in HIM DETERMONING IF youare SAVED or NOT”
You clearly said that:
GOD does NOT see AS RIGHTEOUS the OBEDIENCE to the WORD.
In other words to God, OBEDIENCE to the WORD is NOT RIGHTEOUS, right?
That is exactly the meaning of what you said Mr. Eric
What is the DEFINITION of the word RIGHTEOUS?
RIGHTEOUS .n, “Just; accordant to the divine law.” [Webster’s International Dictionary]
So it would mean that OBEDIENCE TO THE WORD OF GOD is not accordant to the DIVINE LAW…
If it is not accordance to God’s LAW, so it means we should not do it, right?
So the proper way to say: WE SHOULD NOT OBEY THE LAWS of GOD for it is not RIGHTEOUS or it is not accordant to the divine law.
That’s why I ask you to show me if the author of the letter to the Romans said that, because that is really what the meaning of what you’re saying.
Now answer my first question:
“Is the letter to the ROMANS was written for the people in our present time or it was only written for the Gentile Christians which was in Rome during the Apostles' time?”
Please answer this properly, and show me a passage that clearly shows the real intention of the writer why he wrote the letter to the Romans.
Catherine
ReplyDeleteI already explained this in DETAIL
ONLY GOD KNOWS the HEART
What part of that DONT you UNDERSTAND??
I asked you a question how many times now??
You as an INC member of the SUPPOSED ONE TRUE CHURCH..
Do you KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person next to you in worship service is SAVED??
The answer should be NO!
WHY?
CAUSE you can NOT KNOW as all you see are WORKS she does and OUTWARD REPENTING
OBEDIENCE to the LAW of GOD can be HOLLOW
OBEDIENCE to the LAW is WORKS
*** `REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED`***
NOT the WORK of OUTWARD REPENTING
The INWARD from the HEART
You think the ONLY reason an INC member is a LOST SHEEP because INC DENIES JESUS is GOD in the FLESH?
There are so many FALSE doctrines of INC..
Do you want me to list them again?
Why dont you address WATER BAPTISM and how its a CEREMONY like HOLY SUPPER that JESUS said
`DO THIS in REMEMBRANCE of ME`
NO where is it said that WATER baptism
1. ABSOLVES one of SIN
2. REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
Let me clarify something for you
THOSE who are ELECTED and SAVED were SELECTED bY GOD BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the WORLD
That ELECTION has ALREADY occured.
THE PAYMENT has ALREADY occurred
When JESUS returns will be the MANIFESTATION of that ELECTION as those who are SAVED will be RAPTURED
THE JUDGMENT has been made already
GOD ALREADY ELECTED long time ago who is SAVED and who is NOT!!
I gave you examples of a person in INC
a. A person can be there to PLEASE his or HEr family and be going `THROUGH the MOTIONS`
He or she KNOWS in their HEART INC is a CULT
HENCE YES if you are a DEVOUT member of INC and have NOT REPENTED of your SINS which includes the Following of INC CULT doctrines
YOU are nOT of the BODY of CHRIST
HOWEVER, you or i can tell EVEN if one should LEAVE INC.that they are being LED out by GOD
GOD ONLY knows who are HIS CALLED ... HIS ASSEMBLED..... HIS SHEEP
Catherine
ReplyDelete1. GOD ONLY makes that DETERMINATION who is EXEMPT
As far as I can see babies are exempt becasue they cant REASON right from wrong.
But is there this MAGICAL age of ACCOUNTABILITY that INC has determined to be ...... 12 ?
NO , even if a WATER BAPTISM ceremony did in FACT absolve one of sin or was a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED (WHICH IT IS NOT)
Every person must be ASSESSED on a one
by one individaul basis , of which ONLY GOD can determine
The mentally handicapped or INSANE would be on that list but once again i can t look at someone and determine that
ONLY GOD can make that assessment!!
This is why i get INFURIATED when Aerial says if INC doesnt reach a person with THE WORD that THEY are
DOOMED FOR LAKE of FIRE
NO ONE knows that
GOd ONLY knows if they have REPENTED up to HIS STANDARDS!!
Seems like you're going around too much on my question and you cannot seem to comprehend what I mean by asking you this:
ReplyDelete"Are there nobody EXEMPTED of GOD's JUDGMENT in JUDGMENT DAY?"
Let me rephrase this.
Were all people MEMBERS or NON-MEMBERS of the BODY OF CHRIST which is the CHURCH will be JUDGED by GOD in JUDGMENT DAY?
YES or NO!
Please answer this DIRECTLY and prove your answer by showing me a VERSE from the BIBLE. It does not have to be a long explanation with unrelated issues included. Just answer this directly with Biblical Proof.
I will wait for your DIRECT answer.
Please answer my question Eric
ReplyDelete“Is the letter to the ROMANS was written for the people in our present time or it was only written for the Gentile Christians which was in Rome during the Apostles' time?”
Please answer this properly, and show me a passage that clearly shows the real intention of the writer why he wrote the letter to the Romans.
This is will be of great SIGNIFICANCE in my next response to you regarding your UNDERSTANDING of the verses you quoted from the letter to the ROMANS.
So I need to know based on proofs if you know the intention of the writer why he wrote that letter.
"GOD ONLY makes that DETERMINATION who is EXEMPT"
ReplyDeleteVersus
"As far as I CAN SEE BABIES ARE EXEMPT becasue they cant REASON right from wrong"
Eric VS Eric
Eli Soriano said:
"Those person who speak of CONTRADICTION is SLIGHTLY INSANE."
Applause!!! Applause!!!
Ginoong Aerial Cavalry,
ReplyDeleteMagandang araw sa'yo.
Maraming mga "church believers" sa kasalukuyan ang naniniwala na kasama sa mga kapangyarihan ng Dios nang likhain Niya ang kasamaan sa mundo. Sila ay naniniwala na ang Dios mismo ang gumawa ng Kaniyang kalaban o ang Diablo. Maari nyo bang ipaliwanag ito?
Nais kong malaman ang pinaninindiganan ng INC sa talatang nakasaad sa Isaias 45:7; “Ako ang lumikha ng dilim at liwanag; ako ang nagpapahintulot ng kaginhawahan at kapahamakan. Akong si Yahweh ang nagpapasya ng lahat ng ito.”
Maraming salamat po..
Tama ang sinabi ng talatang iyan kaibigan,
ReplyDeleteIsaiah 45:7 “I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the LORD, do all these things.” [Good News Bible]
Pagpapala at kasakunaan ay dumarating sa tao dahil sa pagpapahintulot ng Diyos, pero hindi nangangahulugan na ang Diyos ang mismong gumagawa ng kasamaan. Totoong ang Diyos ang lumikha sa isang QUERUBIN o isang uri ng Anghel na naging Diablo, dahil sa paghihimagsik laban sa Diyos. Ang kasamaan ay gawa ng Diablo at hindi ng Diyos.
Ganito paliwanag sa aklat ni Job:
Job 1:6 “Isang araw nga nang ang mga anak ng Dios ay magsiparoon na magsiharap sa Panginoon, na si Satanas ay naparoon din naman na kasama nila.”
Job 1:7 “At sinabi ng Panginoon kay Satanas, Saan ka nanggaling? Nang magkagayo'y sumagot si Satanas sa Panginoon, at nagsabi, Sa pagpaparoo't parito sa lupa, at sa pagmamanhik manaog doon.”
Job 1:8 “At sinabi ng Panginoon kay Satanas, Iyo bang pinansin ang aking lingkod na si Job? sapagka't walang gaya niya sa lupa, na sakdal at matuwid na lalake, na natatakot sa Dios at humihiwalay sa kasamaan.”
Job 1:9 “Nang magkagayo'y sumagot si Satanas sa Panginoon, at nagsabi, Natatakot ba ng walang kabuluhan si Job sa Dios?”
Job 1:10 “Hindi mo ba kinulong siya, at ang kaniyang sangbahayan, at ang lahat niyang tinatangkilik, sa bawa't dako? iyong pinagpala ang gawa ng kaniyang mga kamay, at ang kaniyang pag-aari ay dumami sa lupain.”
Job 1:11 “Nguni't pagbuhatan mo siya ng iyong kamay ngayon, at galawin mo ang lahat niyang tinatangkilik, at itatakuwil ka niya ng mukhaan,”
Job 1:12 “At sinabi ng Panginoon kay Satanas, NARITO, LAHAT NIYANG TINATANGKILIK AY NANGASA IYONG KAPANGYARIHAN; SIYA LAMANG ANG HUWAG MONG PAGBUHATAN NG IYONG KAMAY. Sa gayo'y lumabas si Satanas na mula sa harapan ng Panginoon.”
Kaya nga nang pinsalain ng Diablo ang lahat ng kaniyang tinatangkilik at maging siya ay ganito ang kaniyang nasabi:
Job 2:9 “Nang magkagayo'y sinabi ng kaniyang asawa sa kaniya, Namamalagi ka pa ba sa iyong pagtatapat? itakuwil mo ang Dios, at mamatay ka.”
Job 2:10 “Nguni't sinabi niya sa kaniya, Ikaw ay nagsasalita na gaya ng pagsasalita ng hangal na babae. Ano? TATANGGAP BA TAYO NG MABUTI SA KAMAY NG DIOS, AT HINDI TAYO TATANGGAP NG MASAMA? Sa lahat ng ito ay hindi nagkasala si Job ng kaniyang mga labi.”
Nangyayari ang KASAMAAN sa mundo pero maliwanag na ang may kagagawan ay ang Diablo, na kaya lang niya nagagawa ay kung may PAHINTULOT ng Diyos. Gaya nga ng nangyari kay Job na nasubok ng Diyos ang kaniyang katapatan sa Kaniya sa pamamagitan ng pagkasangkapan sa Diablo.
Pero niliwanag ni Job na hindi gagawa ang Diyos ng kasamaan:
Job 34:12 “Oo, SA KATOTOHANAN, ANG DIOS AY HINDI GAGAWA NG KASAMAAN, ni ang Makapangyarihan sa lahat ay sisira ng kahatulan.”
Maliwanag iyan Brod. Hindi ang Diyos ang gagawa ng kasamaan, ang Diablo ang gumagawa nito, iyon nga lang ay may pahintulot ng Diyos, para matupad ang kaniyang mga banal na kalooban at mga panukala. Lalo na kung sa layunin niya na subukin ang katapatan ng mga taong umiibig sa kaniya.
God bless sa inyong lahat...
Yan Hirap sa naag tuturo ng Apostasy...kala ko ba naniniwala ang INC na si Jesus ang ulo at ang church ay kanyang katwan...tapos papayagan ni Jesus na masira ito imposible....
ReplyDeletemalinaw sa bible na gagabayan niya ang Iglesia hanggang sa katapusan at kahit kamatayan hindi mananaig dito....malinaw yan..
kung nasira ang Iglesia sa loob ng libong taon anung nanngyari sa kaluluwa ng mga tao iyon sa loob ng libong taon wala ang Iglesia at nasaan ang Holy Spirit na sinasabi na mananatili sa Igleisa...
at ang hirap pa wala maipakita document na nawala nga ang Iglesia...
Ginagawang sinungaling ng mga Manalo si Jesus sa kanyang pangako...
At ang sinasabi sa bible....ay MAY ILANG NA HIHIWALAY SA PANANAMPALATAYA....may sinabi ba na buong Iglesia ay hihiwalay sa tunay na faith wala diba...
Logic: sa 10 members ng grupo, 5 sa kanila humilawalay at ung 5 na un nagkawatak watak din masasabi mo ba na nabuwag ang buong grupo hindi diba kasi meron pang 5 na natira sa grupo at ung natirang iyon sila ang nagprami kaya lumago at dumami pa ang member..............
Same with the CHURCH.... hindi lahat umalis meron natira at sila ang nagpatuloy.....
Ang katuparan ng hula na un ay nag umpisa sa Protestante na sinundan ng mga Muslim,INC,ADD,SDA,Born again, church of christ, church of god international etc...puro kopya ang name sa bible masabi lng na sila ang totoo kahit hindi naman...palibhasa mga ngayon lng sumulpot....
tanong ko po? nung nilikha ng diyos ang querubin alam po ba niya na itoy magtaksil sa kanya at kung alam man niya bakit po pinayagan niya mabuhay si satanas kung mapapahamak lang naman ang tao? kung walang satanas dba walang malinlang at magkasala? pakisagot po
ReplyDeleteAnonymous na nasa taas,,,...sasagutin kita kung totoong hindi mo alam ang sagot sa tanong mo.
ReplyDeleteHindi mo ba talaga alam ang sagot nito ..o nanunubok ka lang?
Sagutin mo muna ako ..bago kita bigyan ng tamang sagot...
hindi ko po alam. maari po ba?
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