Thursday, 23 February 2012

The Law of Giving Tithes


I have posted this as a response to one of our Blog’s frequent visitor which are known as Mr. INC Man-Made Rules in the other thread, entitled THE WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT GOD WILL NOT JUSTIFY, and it has been very difficult now to be read by the viewers of my Blog since the posted comments there are more than 250 now, thanks to all those who posted their comments,  I never expected that the comments would be that much, since I revisited my Blog after quite a long time of my hectic work schedule. I think it is quite proper to start a thread which tackles that interesting issue which is the LAW OF TITHINGS. Take note that I have edited some of the words, sentences, etc., just to make things more clearer, and of course for the benefit of those who do not yet read this…but of course you are also most welcome to read the original comment in the other thread.


To INC Man-made Rules,

I can see now how you struggle so hard to prove that your TITHINGS is a Christian Law, Why can’t you accept the fact that this Law was never to be found in the New Testament, and never was taught by Jesus nor the Apostles, and never was practiced by the early Christians. Remember we’re talking about Christians here, well, unless you tell me now that you’re Jewish, then let’s finish this argument now. Hehehehe.

According to Apostle Paul, we should not go beyond what is written, as I quote:

1 Corinthians 4:6  “Brothers and sisters, I have applied this to Apollos and myself for your sake. YOU SHOULD LEARN FROM US NOT TO GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other.” [GW]

We cannot find a verse nor a passage that Christ nor the Apostles commanded the Early Christians to give TITHES, why are we going beyond to what is written in the scriptures, by assuming that they did?

So following the advice of the Apostles, it is but right to ask “where is it written that the Law in giving TITHES still exists and commanded by Christ nor the Apostles?”

An assumption is never an option in proving Biblical Laws. If we can’t see it, it means it’s not written, if it’s not written, it does not exist, it can never be as simple as that.  Even an elementary student can easily comprehend.

Was TITHING not an important Law, that Jesus nor the Apostles never even cared to mention it directly to us that we should perform it, after all it is an act of Offering to God that pleases him, isn’t it? Wasn’t that a precious Law that they have dared to neglect?

And to the fact that, well, we can say as an example, that the Jewish people understood that already that it is a Law that they must comply, since they’re already performing it since the time of Old, and it has been the part of their ancestral history.  But what about the Gentiles, the non-Jewish members of the First Century Church? Those that were converted by the missions of Apostle Paul, don’t you think if that is an existing Law that all Christians must comply, he would dare to forget to say it in his teachings and scribe it in his letters?


But this time I will give you a chance to prove to us your TITHINGS, By answering this argument that I’m going to show you:

You specifically said that <b>“this law does not change”</b>, so I’m going to use that argument and ask you a question that you need to answer later. Since I’m pretty sure that you are very much well conversant in the LAW OF TITHINGS, hehehehe

Let us read again the details of this Law when it was spoken to Moses:

Leviticus 27:30,32,34  "One-tenth of what comes from the land, whether grain or fruit, is holy and belongs to the LORD...Every tenth head of cattle or sheep that you counted is holy and belongs to the LORD…These are the commands the LORD gave Moses on Mount Sinai for the Israelites.” [God’s Words Version]

When the LAW was given to Moses, as we could see it is not in a form of money, God said one-tenth of what comes from the land – grains and fruits, and one-tenth of cattle or sheep, would be offer to the LORD, and this is how it was done by the people of Israel, just the way as it was ordered by God.

Take note they don’t use money for their TITHES, but they used crops and cattles.

Can anyone change the detail, wordings, and contents of this Law? In other words, can any person decide to add or to subtract from any Law that was given by God to the people of Israel during that time? Or even decided to change it perhaps like decide to use money, instead of crops, cattles, and sheep just the way it was spoken by God?

Deuteronomy 4:2  “YOU SHALL NOT ADD TO THE WORD that I speak to you, NEITHER SHALL YOU TAKE AWAY FROM IT: KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of the Lord your God which I command you.”[DRB]

No person are allowed by God to add nor subtract from the words in his Laws, so it is non changeable, nor revisable by any person.

SO AS IT WAS WRITTEN, THAT’S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE!

So that’s how it was kept and followed by the people of Israel even during the time of the Prophets long after the death of Moses, the system in the offering of TITHES remain unchanged, in the form of crops, cattle and sheep as we could read below:

2 Chronicles 31:5-6  “As soon as the word spread, THE ISRAELITES BROUGHT PLENTY OF OFFERINGS FROM THE FIRST OF THEIR PRODUCE: GRAIN, NEW WINE, FRESH OLIVE OIL, HONEY, AND EVERY CROP FROM THE FIELDS. THEY BROUGHT LARGE QUANTITIES, A TENTH OF EVERYTHING. THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH WHO WERE LIVING IN THE CITIES OF JUDAH BROUGHT A TENTH OF THEIR CATTLE AND SHEEP…” [GW]

And it continued just as the same and unchanged, as the history of the Old Testament had gone by:

Nehemiah 13:12  “Then all Judah brought a TENTH OF ALL THE GRAIN HARVESTED, NEW WINE, AND OLIVE OIL to the STOREROOMS.”[GW]

Until the very last book of the Old Testament:

Malachi 3:10  “BRING YE ALL THE TITHES INTO THE STOREHOUSE, THAT THERE MAY BE MEAT IN MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” [KJV]

 See? If it was in the form of money, they would bring the TITHES in the TREASURY and not in the STOREHOUSE, but as you could see, God said bring the TITHES into the STOREHOUSE, THAT THERE MAYBE MEAT IN HIS HOUSE or Temple, so it is quite clear that it is either a cattle or a sheep.

So if you will ask me if the details of the said LAW changed?  Not even a bit, It is quite clear that the people of Israel had maintained this LAW just how it was spoken by God to Moses in Mount Sinai.

They used cattle and crops, as their TITHES that they have given to God as an OFFERING.



Was there no money yet existed during the Time when the Law of Giving Tithes was given?

Why? Was there no money existed during that time? That’s why they did not gave TITHES in the form of money?

Let us get our proof from the Bible, that in fact, money already existed in those times:

Genesis 17:23  “And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that WERE BOUGHT WITH HIS MONEY, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.” [KJV]

Money already existed in the time of Abraham, what about in the time of  Moses?

Exodus 22:17  “If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, HE SHALL PAY MONEY according to the dowry of virgins.” [KJV]

See? Even God himself mentioned to Moses about MONEY, and yet he did not commanded giving TITHES in the form of MONEY to Moses and the people of Israel.

And I can give you more than a hundred verses in the Old Testament as a proof that the people of God during that time already used money in purchasing, lending, etc.

So the big question now is this:
  
Where in the Bible we can read that God commanded to give Tithes in the form of Money? And when did he commanded it?

And what about in the New Testament, was there a proof that there are people who gave TITHES but not in the form of money? We go back to your verse:

Matthew 23:23  “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! FOR YE PAY TITHE OF MINT AND ANISE AND CUMMIN, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” [KJV]

Could you educate me my dear friend, if MINT, and ANISE, and CUMMIN were the EXISTING CURRENCIES in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus?

So now, I will give you a simple assignment:

Let’s say for argument’s sake, that the LAW of GIVING TITHES really does continue, and I would agree temporarily from what you said that it does not change, would you kind enough to answer these:

1.      Is the method of giving Tithes as spoken by God to Moses, is the same method you gave your Tithes, you’re using cattles and crops instead of money? Did you retained it, and followed it just the way God had spoken it?

2.     When did the giving of Tithes in the form of money started, and who proposed that instead of crops and cattles it must be changed in the form of money?

3.     Would it not appear that if we use money instead of crops and cattle, we’re actually changing the Law, which you actually said that does not changed?

I’m excited already, from your answers, of course a well conversant fellow in the LAW of TITHINGS like you, would definitely use the Bible, and not just lame excuse, and opinion based answer. After all the laws of God is written in the Bible, not in our minds, hehehe!

Have a nice day!



I know you have already responded this to the other thread Mr. INC Man-Made Rules , you are most welcome to repost them here, since I created this thread for that specific topic ---THE LAW OF TITHINGS…

And allow the viewers to see if your answers are convincing and satisfactory…and most importantly ---BASED IN TRUTH

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  1. Mr. INC Man-Made Rules said:

    ”before I answer you philosophical question, you need to answer my original question first,

    What the commandment / law of tithing ever abolished in the Christian era?”



    Haha, been answered that already, the problem with a blind and closed minded person like you, is you don’t accept answers even it’s from the Bible or even Jesus Christ had proven it.

    Jesus Christ clearly proven that the Law of Giving Tithes is part of Moses’ Teachings which of course the Law of Moses.

    You gonna need to open your mind a little bit and I’m sure you will see how clearly it is mentioned:

    Matthew 23:23 "How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! YOU GIVE GOD ONE-TENTH OF YOUR MINT, DILL, AND CUMIN. BUT YOU HAVE NEGLECTED JUSTICE, MERCY, AND FAITHFULNESS. THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN MOSES' TEACHINGS…”[God’s Words Translation]

    See? Jesus Christ said they gave God thites or one-tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, but they neglected the most important things in Moses’s Teachings –Justice, Mercy, and Faithfulness.

    The Law of Giving Tithes was indeed part of the LAW OF MOSES, that’s why it was performed by the Pharisees—leaders of the Jewish Religion—They don’t follow Jesus’ Teachings, because they are not his disciples, and Jesus even proved in this verse that giving TITHES is not even one of the MOST IMPORTANT THINGS in this Law that they obeyed.

    Now what Jesus said about the LAW OF MOSES?

    Luke 16:16 "The LAW OF MOSES and the writings of the prophets were IN EFFECT UP TO THE TIME OF JOHN THE BAPTIST; since then the Good News about the Kingdom of God is being told, and everyone forces their way in.” [Good News Translation]

    The LAW OF MOSES’ effectivity is only up to the time of John the Baptist, wasn’t the answer of the Saviour himself not enough to you.

    And since the LAW OF GIVING TITHES is part of the LAW given by God to Moses, so it’s effectivity is only up to the time of John the Baptist. It’s very very clear and you can not accept.

    And that is quite understandable why you don’t believe what Jesus had said. Why? He will answer us why:

    John 10:26 “but you will not believe, for you are not my sheep.”

    You are not Jesus Christ’s sheep, we are, his words is enough for us.

    And the proof that that LAW was no longer implemented to the Christians?

    There is not even a single example in the New Testament that a Christian or a member of the First Century Church of Christ have given Tithes:

    You gave this verse before as your proof:

    Luke 18:12 “I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get.”

    Nice try, but the speaker in that verse is NOT a CHRISTIAN, but a member of the JEWISH RELIGION, read again:

    Luke 18:11-12 “The PHARISEE stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week; I give TITHES of all that I get.” [American Standard Version]

    Of course he will give tithes, he’s not Jesus Christ’s follower, what do you think?

    See Part 2>

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    1. The bottomline is you do not have any prove of the abolishment of the law of tithes. It is Gods law. Period.

      No Man Made doctrine can topple the very words of God.

      Oh sorry, the INC Church Admin has the right to Amend Gods works.. I forgot I was brainwashed too.

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  2. Part 2>

    Ah maybe you’re just thinking that I’m just making this up, that the JEWISH RELIGION existed during that time, so here’s the proof:

    Galatians 1:13 “You heard about the way I once lived when I followed the JEWISH RELIGION. You heard how I violently persecuted God's church and tried to destroy it.” [God’s Words Translation]

    See the testimony of Apostle Paul himself, how he tried to destroy the Early Church of course the Christian Church when he was still a member of the JEWISH RELIGION.

    You see, your fellow TITHE givers were not friends by Jesus’ followers, they are not acquainted with each other, the JEWISH RELIGION hates the CHRISTIANS.

    You said also:

    “oh wait, you asked me if I was Jewish? Yes, I am Jewish in spirit because my head (Jesus Christ) is very Jewish. Thank you very much..”

    Are you? if you claim to be a part of the jewish body, then you should be…”



    This is very hilarious, don’t you think brothers and sisters?

    He actually thinks that we are members of the LITERAL BODY of Christ, that’s why since Jesus Christ is a JEW therefore then we should be JEWISH? I can’t help but to laugh at this one, because this is really funny.

    The Bible said:

    Colossians 1:24 “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his BODY's sake, which is the CHURCH:” [KJV]

    So the CHURCH that was established by Christ, possesses a race, it’s a JEW.

    Sorry we’re not part of a JEWISH BODY, we’re part of the CHURCH, and it’s not JEWISH because it is not the actual body of Christ.

    Now I’m convinced that you’re just pretending to know many things about the INC’s doctrines. This proves that you don’t. This is very basic among them, and yet it came out that you are very ignorant in this.

    I’m sure this will never be a laughing matter to the GENTILES, I’m pretty sure of that. Because it will be to them a form of RACIAL DESCRIMINATION.

    What did Apostle Paul who is also a JEW said about this?

    Galatians 2:14 “When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. HOW, THEN, CAN YOU TRY TO FORCE GENTILES TO LIVE LIKE JEWS?" [GNB]

    I am born and race as a Filipino, I will never aspire nor dream or Live like a JEW, for I am not a JEW that’s why I’m proud to say that I am not JEWISH,

    I don’t have to be one, Jesus Christ did never said so, did he? CAN YOU GIVE WHAT VERSE?


    Sorry but it’s quite clear that you are not doing your homework…

    DID I ASK FOR YOUR OPINION? DID I MISTER?

    Does your answers can be even closer to be called a BIBLICAL ANSWER?

    So here are my questions again and this time answer them Biblically:

    1. Is the method of giving Tithes as spoken by God to Moses, is the same method you gave your Tithes, you’re using cattles and crops instead of money? Did you retained it, and followed it just the way God had spoken it?

    2. When did the giving of Tithes in the form of money started, and who proposed that instead of crops and cattles it must be changed in the form of money?

    3. Would it not appear that if we use money instead of crops and cattle, we’re actually changing the Law, which you actually said that does not changed?


    Please, I had already watched a lot of SOAP OPERA in my entire life, and I don’t believe the INC because they’re using WIKIPEDIA as their source of doctrines.

    Please I am an INC, I believe in the Bible more than anything else…USE THE BIBLE, THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE SUPPOSE TO BE DOING…not showering me with your PLAIN TALKS and FABRICATED STORIES…

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    1. You understanding of this verse is twisted. It just shows you were sleeping in the Worship Services. Why because you forgot the main essence of the verse. Why? because the law and the Prophets were about the coming of the Savior Jesus Christ who will proclaim the good news of salvation. Prior the Christ whom John was appointed to introduce were without hope because they turned away from God... remember you OT bible studies. he he he. huh..you were sleeping and day dreaming during worship services.

      Luke 16:16
      English Standard Version (ESV)
      16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

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  3. In addition, since you like WIKIPEDIA:

    I have this for you to read:

    “In modern Israel, Jews continue to follow the laws of agricultural tithing, e.g., terumah, ma'aser rishon, terumat ma'aser, and ma'aser sheni. In Christianity, some interpretations of Biblical teachings conclude that although tithing was practiced extensively in the Old Testament, it was never practiced or taught within the first-century Church. Instead the New Testament scriptures are seen as teaching the concept of "freewill offerings" as a means of supporting the church: 1 Corinthians 16:2, 2 Corinthians 9:7…”

    Source: Wikipedia

    Hoped you liked it, hehehehehe

    Good Night...and don't forget your homework.

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    1. You like this teaching from wikipedia because it is similar to you Man-Made doctrines just like the people of the world.

      Have not you noticed!... to bad so sad..

      You believe in the Man-Made rules of the turned away INC in these last day.

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  4. This blog is full of blah blah blah... Not evidence of any abolishment to the Law of Tithes. It is God's Law and still in effect this day. Follow it religiously and you will be amazed!!! That is a fact!

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    1. all you should do is refute it using the scripture...

      or else what your posting is just full of blah blah blah...

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    2. The scriptures posted are without teeth, not even dentures. All the proofs I can post but you brainwashed "so-called" Christians will ignore it because you cannot accept you false deceptive practice. Total omission of Law of God equates to subtraction of the what was written. That is a fact.

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    3. hahaha...

      your assuming on something not yet proven...

      come on post your scriptural basis in refuting the topic...

      don't be like this gay who is scared...

      http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgjckldUOz1qetpvdo1_250.gif

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  5. Lets make this official... I am very Jewish in spirit because my head (Jesus Christ) is very Jewish! So now, I ask you. ARE YOU A JEW OR JEWISH?

    YEAH YEAH, YOU ARE A GENTILE IN THE FLESH BUT REFUSE TO FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL JEWS WHO WAS HANDED THE LAW OF TITHES THAT NEVER CEASED TO EXIST. That is a fact. You have not prove JACK!.

    btw.. you matt 23:23 was cut off. you forgot the last sentence, which is the essence the law of tithing was still in effect.

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    1. Ok, can you give an example from the new testament a Christian giving TITHES, quote the verse and show us.

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    2. @Christian, since it was very normal practice to give tithes during the time of Christ and the apostles, the emphasis to this Law was not magnified in the NT but however recorded. You must understand that the 1st fruits / converts were Jews and to be exact they were 144,000. These Jews are follower of a Jew (Christ) if you are to ask if it is in the New Testament, the simple answer is absolutely. Christ said, he did not come to change the law but rather to fulfill the law. Christ is bound to the law; he was born under the law. You should know this if you pay attention to the worship service. The book of Matthew clearly states it was practiced. There is no mentioned on this verse that it was ever illegal or even abolished. Jesus never rebuked the Jews for such act of give by following the Law of tithes because Jesus knows it is from God. Tithing basically means a 10th of your blessings from God. A blessing could be any form ranging from crops, livestock, Gold, Silver to measures of Currencies. The bottom-line is your “offering of sacrifice” is set-aside for God.

      Matthew 23:23
      New International Version (NIV)
      23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

      This verse basically means the Jews did not give more importance to what matters most which is Justice, Mercy and Faithfulness which is the latter (Jesus Gospel or teachings)…

      Without Neglecting the Former.. Which is the Law of tithing.

      So, the law was still in effect…. God knows best..

      He has a purpose as to why he set this 10% of offering.


      Peace and Love,

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    3. so if we wil follow how you understood that verse, we have to give thites according to what Jesus had said. a tenth of our spices.

      Money was already used during that time in Israel. And there is even a time that Jesus was tested by his enemies on paying taxes. The modern Jews upto this time maintained this Law, and upto now give their Thites in the form of crops, cattle, and sheep.

      When did it started to give tithes in the form of money only? Who suggested this change? Because some of the Christian religions of today only give tithes in the form of money, like the Seventh Day Adventist. From where they got the law to give tithes in the form of money only?

      Can you give me a verse in the OT, that God is commanding us to give Tithes in the form of money only?

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    4. the money that you gave will be included in someone's account to make him a billionaire

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  6. to anonymous, will you quit and grow up, you need to stop putting people down speak meekness and humility. I am trying to get these INC man-made followers aka brainwashed to prove the abolishment of the Law of tithing.

    I am still waiting!!! you better not lie and give a straight answer, Holy Supper is fast approaching.

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  7. @INC Man-Made Rules,

    I would just like to add, do you give your Tithes like the way the Jewish people do? Do you give also agricultural tithes - crops, cattle, and sheep? How often do you give your tithes? And what is the name of the Church to whom you give them?

    God bless to all.

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  8. The money I give never goes to the billionaires in Central because I know were to place my tithes. Its a matter of strategy.

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  9. @christian...

    I am an active INC member here in Cali. I give my tithes to the INC locale fund. I give anonymously, I am not like any other member who is boastful of their offerings writing their amount and names on the envelope.
    You are so silly by asking if I offer my farm. I am not a farmer with cattles, sheeps etc. your ways of thinking is philosophical. I know it and you know it. Stop asking stupid questions. you only make the INC look uneducated and more brainwashed as most people percieves. For the record, tithe can be in any form of blessings. Money / Currency is the easiest to carry to the offering box, if you get my point.

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    1. I am not asking a stupid question, I am an unbeliever of your faith regarding this issue, you want me to believe you by basing only from your plain talks? I'm sorry been tired of those things since I was a Catholic. The INC open my heart and mind in the Bible that I should only trust and believe.

      There was no record in the whole scriptures that God commanded us to give Tithes in the form of money, never will be a stupid question to ask what is the basis of that law -- giving tithes in the form of money only?

      When did it started? Who proposed it that money only is enough to be given as Tithe.

      This is not an INC Doctrine, then who taught you?

      You should know this, you uphold this belief, right? You want us to believe you, then answer my questions with the Bible, and by the Bible. Don't tell me you don't even know the very history of your non-INC belief.

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    2. Why do you remain in the INC If you do not like some of its doctrines? Can you tell me why?

      Is someone stopping you to leave the Church? A loveone perhaps?

      Don't you know what you are doing, you are destroying the Church's unity as the Bible teaches?

      1 Cor 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment."

      I thing if you're unhappy with the INC, no one will stop you from leaving the flock.

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    3. Well, our dearest is just a GREAT PRETENDER. Pretending to be an INC yet really does not abide to the biblical teaching to FOLLOW OUR LEADERs.

      Well, we can understand him really. He could not even correctly comprehend the very verse Mat 23:23 he posted in our discussion in:

      http://www.readmeiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2012/01/erano-manalo-billionaire-preacher.html

      Our dearest says "You are so silly by asking if I offer my farm. I am not a farmer with cattles, sheeps etc."

      No, dear your the one whose silly not us. Your the one whose wanting to follow tithing. So why can't you ABIDE by WHAT TITHING STIPULATEs?

      Leviticus 27:30,32,34 "One-tenth of what comes from the land, whether grain or fruit, is holy and belongs to the LORD...Every tenth head of cattle or sheep that you counted is holy and belongs to the LORD…THESE ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD gave Moses on Mount Sinai FOR THE ISRAELITEs.”

      This COMMAND dear did not SAY anything about one tenth of YOUR MONEY you silly thing.

      So if you CAN'T ABIDE by WHAT the VERSE COMMANDs dear and SUBTRACTING the very ESSENCE it STIPULATEs. It is YOU WHOSE ABOLISHING the very law you think we should follow.

      But we KNOW BETTER dear. Thats why WE ARE CHRISTIANs not ISRAELITEs.

      Take note dear for as usual like your Mat 23:23 you seem to have a BLIND SPOT as usual on what the very verse CLEARLY STATEs. Was that COMMAND for CHRISTIANs?

      Take NOTE dearest of what the VERSE POINTs out:

      "THESE ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD gave Moses on Mount Sinai FOR THE ISRAELITEs."

      See dearest your not really an INC your a trying to be ISRAELITE or pretending to be an ISRAELITE with NO SHEEP or CATTLE or fruits of the land to OFFER the TRUE TITHING stipulated in that VERY LAW.

      See dearest how SILLY your misguided thinking is?

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  10. @christian, I provided the entire 2 corith chapter 9.

    Since the INC loves to read this verse as their basis of how much to give, Can you point out to me if they the brethren in Corith gave money? Does it say money or "gifts".

    2 Corinthians 9 (New International Version)

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    2 Corinthians 9

    1 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people. 2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. 4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

    Generosity Encouraged

    6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written:
    “They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
    their righteousness endures forever.”[a]

    10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. 11 You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

    12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. 13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. 14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!

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    1. Yes that it was mentioned money in that Chapter:

      2 Cor 9:5 "So I have decided to ask Titus and the others to spend some time with you before I arrive. This way they can arrange to collect the MONEY you have promised. Then you will have the chance to give because you want to, and not because you feel forced to." [CEV]

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  11. Aerial Cavalry, could you please explain these verses:

    1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

    4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

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  12. Titus, a gentile being a Christian is now "Jewish in Spirit?"

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    1. 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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    2. That's a nice one, brother...

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  13. Thank you Anonymous! Great Job. Race i.e. Jew, is not the issue but those who are bound to the law.

    So, can Aerial list the laws that are now obsolete?

    Can you also please list that current valid laws?

    Be specific Please. Your intelligence is greatly appreciated. Thanks Pastor Aerial, in advance!

    PS. Make sure you do not omit any laws of God too.

    INC are famous of taking pieces of verses that do not even pertain to the subject.

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    1. Why don't you ask that to your resident minister?

      And let him help you recall the teachings that you heard from the indoctrination, which I guess you already have forgotten.

      Not here, not in front of those who do not believe in the INC's teachings.

      We should not argue religious matter in front of the unbelievers. We're members of the body of Christ. It's like that we're making one of Christ's hand slap the other hand.

      Don't forget Christ's teaching about UNITY...

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    2. INC Man-Made Rules...

      Could you please sight the difference between the Laws of God and Laws of Moses.

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  14. Nice Post on 2 Cor 9:5... CEV. did you make an effort to search this?

    This is the very reason I pointed out "gift"...tithe is not a gift but an offering of sacrifice. A sacrifice is something you need. Money is needed by every human being to live.

    Like I said, tithe means a tenth. This is a commandment from god, it could be any form of blessings. Having Money is a blessing from God for we all need it to live. In the olden days, even today, having livestock and agricultural commodity is a blessing. We are modern times incase you did not notice!

    The law of tithe is not from me, It is a law from God. it is what it is. even today.

    Now, you asked I am breaking the unity of the Church? No I am not, why because someone has to point out the wrong doctrine it teaches which deception. I told you the story how my interest in this subject was peaked. How? because I've noticed there are plenty of members are full of debt and are NOT financially free. I found out it is because they are misled.

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    1. In the time of Moses, money already existed, can you tell me Why God did not include the use of money as Tithes when he gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai?

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    2. Brethens, announcement that on february 28, Central will announce a new form of baptism

      from: IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AMEN

      into: IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER FELIX AND OF THE SON ERANO AND THE HOLY EDUARDO AMEN.

      Central will announce this so we cannot be guilty of using trinity which is not in the bible. they will explain this thoroughly. See you there.

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  15. @Christian... you asked...Why don't you ask that to your resident minister?

    Every ime I ask a minister, they give me the impression of rebellion. Especially when it comes to matters of doctrine. I notice when I approach them with questions, they try to thwart the issue when it becomes to a discussion. They expect you not to respond once a single verse is read which in some cases do not pertain to the subject. This is the very reason the Church Admin prohibits members to question because when you do, you are automatically labelled a rebel. The Church Admin is protrayed by the members as "perfect" meaning they do not make mistakes...which is not true. I see their mistakes left and right. fyi, they are people with politics, and when politics exist, so as corruption. Politics and Corruptions go hand in hand.

    I know you know what I mean.

    the law of tithing is omitted by the church and is constitutes as subtraction of what is written. I speak the truth and I hate not one including those who are so-called Church Administration. God will judgement everyone on the day of the LORD.

    peace and love.

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    1. I don't think nor believed that the people in the Church's Administration is perfect, there are no perfect Human Beings, but the doctrines that they uphold, of course not come from them but from God. And that what as we true INC members believed as perfect.

      1 Thess 2:3-4 "When we encourage people to believe the Good News, it's not out of wrong motives. We are not trying to trick or fool anyone. No, we did it because God is the one who gave us this work. And this was only after he tested us and saw that we could be trusted to do it. So when we speak, we are only trying to please God, not anyone else. He is the one who can see what is in our hearts.

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  16. @christian...Why do you remain in the INC If you do not like some of its doctrines? Can you tell me why?

    Is someone stopping you to leave the Church? A loveone perhaps?

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    I do not know what your understanding of "remain church of christ"? Are you asking me not to follow Christ? Are you wondering if I follow Gods command law of tithes for this matter, I would stop my faith and trust in Jesus Christ?

    What is your faith and belief, or should I say what were you brainwashed with?

    I live in an upright lifestyle that conforms with the commandments of God. I believe in Christ, thus a follower of Christ and a member of his body. My membership does not me, my name tag has to be in the tag board. What truly matter is how I live mylife in serving God. Livng a righteous life consistently and trusting in God is more valueable than going to a chapel and pretend one is good.

    I will remain a church of christ because I believe in the gospel of christ. When I say so, it does not mean I am listed in the roaster in Central, it does not mean JACK.! it is just paper and brainwash tactic.

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  17. “The prophet Malachi rebuked Israel’s tendency toward carelessness in the payment of the
    tithe (Mal. 3:8-11). To withhold the tithe, he said, is to rob God, and to incur a curse. Contrariwise,
    upon those who faithfully pay the tithe God promises to open ‘the windows of heaven, and pour...out
    a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it’ (v. 10).

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    1. I'm still waiting for you to show me a verse, which I can read that God commanded us to give Tithes in the form of money only like what you are doing now.

      Unless you show us that verse there is no way you can convince an INC member to believe you.

      You will just end up as Church's History repeating as apostle Paul had said:


      Acts 20:30 "and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them." [ASV]

      It happened in the First Century Church, it is continuously happening to the Church at present time, and most of them who have done this have been long gone and some of them have perished already.

      If you hated the Church's Admin, then you hate the INC as a whole, remember they are ministers of our Church, therefore rejecting them meaning we reject Christ and God himself:

      Luke 10:16 "He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." [EMTV]

      You still not answering my question, Giving Tithes is not an INC Teaching, can you tell me who taught you? I do not believe you can learn that on your own.

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    2. By the way I always ask our minister, and they always respond to me in a very nice and cooperative manner, and always giving me answers to any of my questions.

      I don't know about you.

      Just a question, were you a convert or an INC from birth?

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    3. I would like to ask, have you been a member of other religions in the past?

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  18. Why? Do you think giving tithes is a guaranteed attainment of blessing? What is blessing to you? If you see a person living prosperously? He has a lot of money? Is that your measurement of a person being blessed?

    I have a neighbor who is a member of the Seventh Day Adventist whose all members giving tithes, since I was child I see their family very poor, and some of His Children can not even afford to go to school. Even up to now they suffer poverty tough they give tithes tirelessly.

    I think blessing is God's choice, whether he would give you or not. Got nothing to do with giving offerings only. He has always has a choice to TEST you as He wish, and sometimes even God does not give you what you wanted, it would not necessarily mean that God does not love you. Always remember the story of JOB.

    Have a nice day!

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    1. You said:
      Do you think giving tithes is a guaranteed attainment of blessing?

      God said:
      Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

      Somehow, it is necessary to teach tithing:
      >> Minister who do not teach tithing rob us the blessings of God... :)

      Jacob gives his tithes to God prior the law was establish... he gives because he loves God not because he is rich.. :)

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    2. Abram instead of Jacob.... sorry... :)

      by the way you said they (SDA) are still poor like some of us... but how poor are they in the sight of God??

      I prefer the standard of God than the views of men regarding richness...
      Rev 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)..." :)

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    3. Ok, what about a verse from the Bible showing a Christian giving Tithes?

      Is Jacob a Christian? What about Abraham? Oh come on, heheheheheh!!!

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    4. Hebrews 7:7 "And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. v8 And here men that die receive tithes; ..."

      "HERE".. means the time the writer spoke!
      "Men that Die".. mortal like us.. priest, pastor, minister..
      "Receive tithes".. still in practice...
      >> there is no contradiction against the Law...

      Now, the question is.. is the writer of the Book of Hebrews a Christian???
      Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son.
      >> very much of a Christian...

      Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
      ...... :)

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  19. Yes, I was born a Catholic, ever since childhood my mind has always been focused to God, very rare as for a kid. In high school I joined the born again movement, then I studied with the JW's and like it but totally false. During my HS Senior year to 2nd year of College, I was introduced to the INC.. boy I was amazed! Went to various debates and took me two sets of indoctrinations, Yes, two sets. there were 22 back in the days.

    ... after 30years later, so many changes and teachings which made me sad. so that's MYLIFE.

    wanna put me on INC Media? NO I do not think so.

    Peace

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    1. before you enter inc,you know that giving tithes is not practice...

      now you want to lecture us, to practice tithing...

      oh come on...

      you're dreaming oldman...

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y1r8QP41oVk/TV8L_BoeY6I/AAAAAAAAAIU/dQjpHo33RY4/s1600/drunk-dude-11.jpg

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  20. @christian...you asked.
    In the time of Moses, money already existed, can you tell me Why God did not include the use of money as Tithes when he gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai?

    I know you already know the answer, Why do you ask? Is it important? Notice my question... Is it important? Does God need money, livestock, agricultural commodity to live? have some common sense. I know you are asking just to go around the bush.

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    1. Why? Does God need money now? That's why you only give Tithes in the form of money?

      Just when did you realize that Tithing is a LAW of God, before you became an INC or after? Would you mind answering this?

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    2. Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
      Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

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  21. @christian.

    Just because you asked a question to a minister and provided you an answer is subjective.

    they must respond with an answer and it does not mean their answers are correct.

    I'VE LEARNED... That to ignore the facts does not change the facts.

    Peace and Love.

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    1. Of course his answer is absolutely correct, because INC minister do not respond in a question, using his opinion, assumptions, speculations, hearsay, etc.

      He opens a Bible and get the answers from there. So it's not really the minister who is responding, it's the Bible.

      Very contrary to your style of answering. You just talk your way out of it, plain talking, without basis and without Biblical proof. Hehehehehe!

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  22. Now, that I am old and realized I was brainwashed. I know better. I found out adding and subtracting from the laws written in the scriptures are illegal AND the biggest violators is none other than the INC. And by the way, I am NOT trying to convince anyone just pointing out the truth. Surprise on Judgement day.

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    1. The Law that you can not prove existing? The Law that you cannot prove that was been taught by Jesus and the Apostles?

      It is quite clear, that you lack knowledge of Biblical History, your concern is only the Jews, and it's quite clear that you're ignoring the Gentiles.

      Do you think giving tithes is a normal thing to the ROMANS, CORINTHIANS, EPHESIANS, COLOSSIANS,ETC?

      They are known to be Pagans, in case you do not know...or do you still want me to tell you what Paganism means.

      Well you can check their individual History to find out for yourself if they gave tithes.

      If it is really a Law that the Entire Christianity needs to follow, I'm very sure that the Apostles will tell them.

      They we're instructed to abstain from blood, avoid eating animals who died by strangulation, and food offered to idols, and avoid committing adultery [Acts 15:28-29], do you think giving tithes is a Law that they would dare to ignore or not even mentioned to the Gentiles if that Law really still existed?

      Look who's not using his common sense here?

      By nature we are Gentiles, for we are not born as a JEW.

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    2. When I realized I am just brainwashed by the Catholic Church, I left it.

      That's how a person who felt that he's being cheated should do.

      As God spoken:


      Revelations 18:4-5 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." [KJV]

      God do not want us to stay in an organization who are committing sin against God.

      If that's what you feel about the INC, follow God, leave that Church...

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  23. Do I you think giving tithes is a guaranteed attainment of blessing?

    Answer: Absolutely Not! Do I need elaborate? you know what I know. This is elementary of my knowledge of God.

    better be good. Holy Supper is coming!

    Peace

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    1. I think better you tell that to yourself. I have no problem receiving the Holy Supper, I don't know about you.

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  25. Abraham and Jacob are the same blood line and yet followers of God. Jesus is a follower of God and so as Abbraham and Jacob. there are blood relatives.

    Hello... did you forget your bible studies?

    Do not give me that run around the bush about "christian", the true once obey the law of God and has been practicing the law of tithes.

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    1. Christian means, servants of Christ, followers of Christs, members of Christ's body.

      Go ahead prove to me that Abraham, passed that Category,

      Open the Bible, quote the verses and paste them...

      Stop the nonsense talking will ya?

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  26. what I speak is supported by biblical foundation. I refrain from providing you verses so that I may not deceive you. the law of tithe does not require a messenger to understand.

    However, No human being can fully understand and decipher the book of Revelation.

    NOT even the INC ministers. That is a fact. All they can do is speculate it.

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    1. INC Man-Made Rules said..."No human being can fully understand and decipher the book of Revelation."

      and you are not a human...

      hahaha...

      your a butterfly?...

      shallow...very shallow indeed...

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    2. Ok where in the Bible that the Law of Tithes does not require a messenger to understand?

      Open your Bible, and quote the verse...

      I will wait for it.

      Let's be Biblical...stop these plain talks

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  27. @Christian... Why do you ask if Abraham or Jacob a Christian? They are not followers of Christ. To refresh your memory, they are followers of God and so as Jesus.

    they never met or even know Jesus.

    What was your question again?

    I offer you to rephrase you question.

    I am fair you know!

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  28. you asked..
    Why? Does God need money now? NO.

    That's why you only give Tithes in the form of money? Yes, this is modern times. Common sense please. Sorry, you asking this question led me to believe you lack common sense.

    Just when did you realize that Tithing is a LAW of God, before you became an INC or after? Would you mind answering this?. before I hate the fact other religion gave 10%.. When I heard about INC... one of the impressive doctrine is ... offering cheerfully, no complusion, not grudgingly and from the heart. But you must give generously..NICE.. I love it... no 10% rule. Yes... But after realizing this the truth I notice most members about 90% are struggling with debt and living in luxury full of debt. I found out why, they did not follow God, for that matter they failed to follow the 10% law of giving. this is just a small part of what I discovered. Then I keep asking "HOW MUCH SHOULD I OFFER TO GOD'? INC AND MOST RELIGION WOULD QUOTE 2 COR 9:7.. WHICH IS NOT AN OFFERING BUT A GIFT FOR THE POOR. LASTLY, THE OFFERING OF INC ARE NOT SPENT FOR THE POOR, THE WIDOWS ETC.. BUT SPENT AS A BUSINESS VENTURE LIKE USELESS LAND AND SENIC SD AND ARENA IN CIUDAD VICTORIA. GOD NEVER COMMANDED TO BUILD HOSPITAL ARENA, USELESS LAND.

    THE LAW OF TITHING IS STILL IN EFFECT TO THIS VERY DAY. JUDGEMENT DAY IS NEAR.

    PEACE.

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    1. Just to add...

      Deuteronomy 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;

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    2. Ok, show me a verse in the Bible that the Apostles is teaching the Gentiles [Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, etc.] to Give Tithes.

      Open your Bible, quote the verse and paste it here.

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  29. @Christian, Can you tell me any brand new law that Jesus Christ created? Did Jesus Christ have his own law different to that of God's?

    I ask this because you asked me a verse in the NT if giving tithes exist. I have asked Aerial or you perhaps to answer if the law of tithe was ever abolished? you never answered.

    YOu asked before if tithing was in the NT... I give you verses.. Matt 23:23 and luke.

    Please answer.

    Love and Peace

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    1. Scroll down my dear...

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  30. @Christian, you asked...

    When did it started? Who proposed it that money only is enough to be given as Tithe.

    I have already answered you the meaning of tithe (10%).

    fyi. the word "tithe" is not offering per say. it is an amount or a portion or figure of how much to give. Let get that clear.

    Offerings of sacrifice to God is used for the needs of the people of God like construction of temples etc.

    since when did they offer money is the question.

    read 2 Chronicles Chap 24.. read the entire chapter it is a short chapter.

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    1. Oh I think you lost it, I am not asking you the meaning of the word "TITHE". I knew that word even when I was still a Catholic from my SDA friends, so please don't educate me on the meaning.

      I ask them the same question I'm asking you:

      When did it started the giving of Tithes in the form of money only?

      Who proposed that giving money is enough to be given as tithes?

      There are still people who own and have crops, spices, cattle and sheep as of today, even some of the SDA members have it, but why they don't give them as tithes, and now they gave money only?

      And why did the Jewish people until now give their tithes as crops and cattle?

      Until now, I am waiting for my SDA Friends to answer this question...

      And there response? Similar to what you are doing, PLAIN LOUSY EXPLANATAION.

      I think you better join them...hehehehehe

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  31. this INC Man-Made Rules aka butterfly is not inc member...

    he is one of ampalaya group...

    feeling bitter on inc's victories...

    hahaha...

    he is a member of sda who practice tithing...

    lol...

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  32. the law of moses IS the law from God. That is a fact.

    Anonymous thinks he is so smart.. Nice!

    You know what I mean and I know you get what I am saying. All I can say is you are brainwashed and you are in for a big surprise.

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    1. Our dearest says "the law of moses IS the law from God. That is a fact."

      Oh so you know that fact. So to WHOM did God gave this COMMAND to be followed? Christians?

      "THESE ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD gave Moses on Mount Sinai FOR THE ISRAELITEs"

      So GET this FACT also dearest... the law or COMMAND was FOR THE ISRAELITE dearest.

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  33. How can I prove to you that I am a member of the turned away INC central in Diliman QC?

    U want me to show you a picture with Sir./ka Eduardo V Manalo next to me in California this last December?

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    1. I can imagine that like a picture of a Crucified Christ having a Thief by his side...Hehehehehehe.

      Why didn't you tell him, "Brother give your TITHES." Ahahahahahahahaha!!!!

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  34. verse?

    You only need the messenger the secret to salvation and the true knowledge of God.

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    1. Ok where's the verse now?

      The Apostle Paul, said, "DO NOT GO BEYOND TO WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES".

      So where is it written that when it comes to the LAW of TITHING there is no need for a messenger?

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  35. @Christian,

    Abraham is God's Friend, He is already worthy.

    You and I know this. Do I have to prove to you?

    Christ is the same linage of blood. He is a descendant of Abraham.

    Abraham is NOT a follower of Christ because He did not met Christ yet.

    Christ was not born yet.

    What was your question again.

    do I have to give you bible verses?

    come on, you know this. I mentioned before, I try not to give you verses because I might mislead you.

    You know this fact!

    Peace and Love

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  36. @Act of Laguna.

    I only have one wish for you..

    Salvation!

    Peace and Love

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    1. Why don't you join Acts of Laguna in his religion the APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, since you share the same beliefs.

      I know you are most welcome there.

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    2. To Patricia:
      The Name of Organization does not equate to the Church established by Christ... but the doctrine will lead you to know that church... God is not tired of sending someone who has the heart for God, I most certainly imagine Cornelius..

      I am not even inviting my INC friend to leave the church he attended, but prayed that the INC as an organization, change some of their doctrine in-line with the Church established at the day of Pentecost...

      To INC Man-Made Rules:
      Thanks... I want to hold firm to that. May this blog help me also to increase in faith and in love with God..

      My understanding of salvation is this.. and that is when you repented of your sins and tried everything to avoid going back to them, believed on the Lord Jesus and the purpose of His sacrificial death, water baptized in His Name for the remission of sins as the application of His blood (application of faith) and receive the wonderful promise of the Holy Ghost (Holy Ghost baptism) with the manifestation of speaking in tongues as the spirit gave utterance... and all this I believe with all my heart.

      This day is the exact same day 2 years ago when I spoke in tongues as I worship God... and I cannot forget that..

      I don't say that I am saved because all of this happens to me, but I am saved because of His mercy and grace. He made salvation accessible to all... sad that not all choose God.
      .... :)

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  37. @INC Man-Made Rules:

    Now I am convinced that you never learned from your indoctrination, or in worst case, a pretender to be an INC Member.

    A proof that you did not learn is this question:

    “Can you tell me any brand new law that Jesus Christ created?”

    You want a BRAND NEW LAW from Christ?

    Read this:

    John 13:34-35 "I'm giving you a NEW COMMANDMENT: Love each other in the same way that I have loved you. Everyone will know that you are my disciples because of your love for each other." [God's Words Translation]

    And what about this one?

    Matthew 5:38-39 "YOU HAVE HEARD that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But NOW I TELL YOU: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too.” [GNB]

    These are some of the BRAND NEW LAWS from JESUS CHRIST,

    When he said “:YOU HAVE HEARD”, he’s talking about the LAW OF MOSES. For it was indeed written in the LAW OF MOSES:

    Leviticus 24:20 “a broken bone for a broken bone, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Whoever injures another person must receive the same injury in return.” [GWT]

    Another proof that the LAW OF MOSES, really ends its effectivity in the Christian Era…

    And what about this one?

    Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”

    Ok, you can start opening your OLD TESTAMENT and try to see, if that LAW is written by anyone before.

    Hehehehe, I’m becoming to get convinced that you’re just pretending to be an INC, for you did not learned anything from the indoctrination.

    By the Way your favorite Matthew 23:23, the subject matter there is not about tithing, it is about the HYPOCRISY of the PHARISEES, which Jesus labeled as “BLIND LEADERS” [Mat 15:14] and “POISONOUS SNAKES” [Mat 12:24, GWT].

    Clear that your fellow TITHE GIVERS were not servants of GOD nor JESUS CHRIST…

    Any verse in the NT, a NON-JEWISH giving TITHES perhaps? Or what about a verse that the Apostles saying to the Gentiles, “GIVE TITHES”?
    I’m waiting…Hehehehehe

    Remember IGNORANCE is the key to attain the mastery of the art known as MORONSHIP…hehehehe

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  38. @ Christian..
    you asked.. When did the giving of tithes started in the form of money.

    Answer: Long time ago. since the book of 2 Chronicle 24.

    they gave to repair the temple.

    when was that? you go figure it out.

    all I know it was long before Christ birth.

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    1. Ok quote the VERSE, and show me, that it said in that passage that the money given is a TITHE.

      Go Ahead, I'm waiting...

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  39. Join another Church? you must be crazy.

    I going to restore the church of christ myself.

    without adding...
    6 months probation prior baptism
    mid year thanksgiving
    end year thanksgiving
    man-made laws
    for business, for profit
    buying useless lands in the middle of nowhere
    Constructing An Arena, for profit use.. bussiness. Is this a church or a bussiness?



    without subtraction
    law of tithes
    No teaching to give a tenth is robbing God.

    Judgement Day is near.

    the INC FYM upheld was apostate.

    that is a fact!

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 09:21

      I know what will be the name of your CHURCH;

      CHURCH OF THE CHEAP CHARLIES

      or the

      UNITED ILOCANO CHURCH.

      Nyahahahahaha!

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  40. remember the talents they gave in the ancient times. You hear the lessons prior the upcoming Thanksgiving worship services...

    They read verse of how much the rich people offer.. A talent was a form of currency.

    you are asking silly question...

    in the ancient times.. crops and animals were offered because they were a symbol of wealth. Their tithe were the best of the best crops and animals. During that time it was an offering of sacrifice to God.

    you know my answer is from the bible.

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    1. So during the time of the NT, they are no longer a symbol of wealth? Is that what you mean?

      Ok enough with the talking,

      Let the Bible speak now. will ya?

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    2. Ok quote the verse, and let me read from the Bible that those TALENTS were given as TITHES.

      Let the Bible speak my dear, please I'm sick and tired already of your BLAH BLAH!

      Let's be Biblical. Open your Bible, and get the answer from there.

      This proved that you are not a real INC, you rely mostly on your plain talks.

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  41. @christian.. asked

    show me a verse in the Bible that the Apostles is teaching the Gentiles [Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, etc.] to Give Tithes.

    There is no verse he taught it nor there is a verse it was abolished or obsolete. It was not mentioned in the bible to the gentiles because... listen to this.... it was already practiced by the people of God. And Remember giving an offering was NOT the most important command.

    Do not get me wrong, the law of tithe is the leist important amongst the commandments of God.

    Jesus Christ giving an offering is important but the bottom of the list amongst the important of commandments. The most important is faithfullness, Justice and Mercy.


    Read Matt 23:23.

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    1. See how tight your puny mind is?

      Gentiles my dear were not Jewish, they do not follow any laws from Israel since the beginning of Time.

      That's why if it's a law that must be obeyed by a Christian, why the Apostles never mentioned it.

      This is the ravine that you tithe believers often fall in, there is no way you can get around with this.

      THERE IS NO TEACHING TO GIVE TITHE in the NEW TESTAMENT, PERIOD!

      If you be like the Pharisees who are like POISONOUS SNAKE, then go ahead, no one is stopping you my FAKE INC Brother...heheheheh

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  42. @christian... since you ask a silly question. it my turn to ask a valid question.

    Where in the NT can you read the commandment to build a chapel. Where in the NT that command to build an Arena for business?
    Where did the Christian worship God in the NT?

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    1. You never answer the questions yet properly with Biblical proofs, just plain blah blah.

      I'm asking for verses not opinions.

      Answer them first then I will go back with you with these issues, by the way this thread is about TITHING,

      Are you tired already in defending your LAW OF TITHES, invite your Seventh Day Anventists Friends if you have any, maybe they can help you.

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    2. This may help:

      (A paraphrase version of Bible)
      Luke 11:42 You Pharisees are in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your gardens, such as mint and rue. But you cheat people, and you don't love God. You should be fair and kind to others and still give a tenth to God. (Contemporary English Version)

      >> I will not use this version to prove my point but I will use this to start with... another paraphrase..

      Luke 11:42 "...These you should practice, without neglecting the others". (GNB)

      Luke 11:42 "...these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone". (KJV)

      Jesus rebuke the Pharisees not because they give tithes but because they wrongly accuse other people.

      Jesus simply said that the least of the Law should not hinder to conceal the most important of the Law. Giving tithes as they do does not give authority for them to cheat.

      Still, Jesus encourage to practice the least of the Law..."and not to leave the other undone"... :)

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    3. The paraphrase version of a Bible is not always reliable, since it is often at times it was the belief of the Translators that were being inserted on the passages.

      Most probably the translator of that Bible upholds the LAW of TITHINGS, That’s why they deliberately mistranslated that passage:

      But look how they translated Matthew 23:23:

      Matthew 23:23 “You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.” [Contemporary English Version, 1995, American Bible Society]

      SDA Loves to use paraphrased Bibles.

      I will get back to you on this issue later, I can prove that your understanding on this issue is FALSE.

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  43. Blogger said:
    So the big question now is this:
    "Where in the Bible we can read that God commanded to give Tithes in the form of Money? And when did he commanded it?"

    Answer:
    Deuteronomy 14:23 "..the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil,...; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. v24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: v25 Then shalt thou turn it into MONEY..."

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  44. Nice try, my friend but the verse does not say they offer tithes in the form of money only, gotcha! That’s why you did not quote the verses completely:

    Deut 14:22 "Every year YOU MUST BE SURE TO SAVE ONE-TENTH OF ALL THE CROPS THAT GROW IN YOUR FIELDS.”

    Deut 14:23 “Then you must go to the place the Lord chooses to be the home for his name. You will go there to be with the LORD your God. AT THAT PLACE YOU WILL EAT THE TENTH OF YOUR CROPS--ONE-TENTH OF YOUR GRAIN, YOUR NEW WINE, YOUR OIL, AND THE FIRST ANIMALS BORN IN YOUR HERDS AND FLOCKS. In this way you will always remember to respect the LORD your God.”

    Deut 14:24 “But that place might be too far for you to travel to. MAYBE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY ONE-TENTH OF ALL THE CROPS THAT THE LORD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH. If that happens,”

    Deut 14:25 “SELL THAT PART OF YOUR CROPS AND TAKE THE MONEY WITH YOU to the special place the LORD has chosen.”

    Deut 14:26 “USE THE MONEY TO BUY ANYTHING YOU WANT--CATTLE, SHEEP, WINE OR BEER OR ANY OTHER FOOD. THEN YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SHOULD EAT and enjoy yourselves there in that place with the LORD your God.” [Easy-to-Read Version]


    Step 1: they will bring the tenth of their crops, cattle, herds, and flock and they must eat them to the place where God commanded them [That is the original commandment]

    Step 2: If they were hard to be carried because the place is too far, they can sell a portion of their tithe.

    Step 3: They need to use again the money to buy crops, cattle, herds, and flock, then they will eat them in the place that God has chosen, as he originally commanded.

    It is clear in these verses that the people of Israel gave their tithes in the form of crops, cattle and sheep.

    Based on this, it would appear that if you do not have crops, cattle and sheep and you only have money, well you still need to buy crops, cattle and sheep, then offer that to the Lord as Tithe. Then to the place God commanded you, you and your family will eat them.

    Well unless you can eat money, then that's another story.

    We are looking for a verse that said they gave money only as their tithe…I’m still waiting. Hmmmmm.

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  45. Glad for you.. this is the first time I receive comments from you with meat.... thanks... :)

    By the way, I answer only what I copied, not the whole context of the topic... I take into account the 3 questions of Aerial... still on the process...

    Stay this way my friend... :)

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  46. @Christian my beloved,
    you asked... Ok quote the VERSE, and show me, that it said in that passage that the money given is a TITHE.


    I then go ahead would ask and been asking..."How much should I offer to God'? you and my best friend Aerial never answered this.

    I know how should I give to the needy and poor.. it is recorded in 2 Cor 9.. read the entire verse..

    Take NOTE: How much should I offer to God?

    I am waiting..

    Love and Peace

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  47. @Christian my beloved... Gentiles?

    Gentiles are the now Jews, meaning their race is different than Jews, any other race for that matter. Now, Jesus commanded Apostle Paul to preach to the Gentile the Good new of Salvation. the Law of God is not exclusive to the Jews from this moment on. Law are expanded to the Gentiles.

    Did Jesus appointed Paul to preach and covert the Gentile to remain a pagan, NO Way.. but to adhere to the Law of God in which Jesus did not change.

    The New Covenant is with Jesus because the OLd Covenant was broken when the Jews worship images. (a cow for the matter.)

    Get it now. Now Jesus was to reconcile Gods people because he so love them.

    go to the bible study and get brainwash the right way. Not by man-made rules but by Gods rules.

    Being the member of the INC is not a gaurantee to salvation. It is only a direction. NOt the final destination because Christ will judge all in his body. You are not free from Christ judgement.

    The people of the world are judge by God himself.

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    1. Hey look another blah blah blah...

      I'm still waiting for my verses.

      hehehehe

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    2. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 21:55

      Look at this fellow what he's saying:

      "go to the bible study and get brainwash the right way."

      Was there such thing as getting BRAINWASHED THE RIGHT WAY?

      I think this guy is really a nonsense fellow, he will never stop taking even what he's saying are GARBAGE!

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  48. @Peter... you are hularious.. bwahahahaha... I love it.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 20:31

      That's right laugh 'till your heart comes out.

      Nyehehehehe.

      Sure the name of that Church fits with your character.

      Very tight in giving, that's why you uphold the LAW OF TIGHTING -- the LAW OF TIGHT GIVING...hehehehehe

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  49. @christian...
    all that are offered to God, even though the word tithe is not mentioned are offerings of sacrifice. the servants of God knows that they are please god by their tenth... just because they offered talents mentioned in numerous verse you also want to see the word "tithe" it is not neccessary because it was normal practice.

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    1. Oh see what I mean?

      Another assumption...TOINK!!!

      What would you expect.

      Like the Catholics used to say. TRINITY is in the Bible, though you can't see it, it's there...Where???

      Same o, same o.

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  50. The fact is tithe is one of the God's law, you failed to answer my very core question.

    How much should I give to God.?

    you come back with verse the giving to the poor.

    Give me a solid answer.. Not what people are itching to hear... people hate God law of tithe and you are one of them..

    I was one too but I realized, thank you Father Almight!

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    1. I don't hate any of God's Law, one thing I hate is saying that a Law still exists and prove it only by plain talks, that's what I hate the most.

      LACK OF PROOF IS LACK OF THE TRUTH. Keep that in mind.

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  51. @christian my beloved, you are just knit pick...

    God wants you ten percent, period.

    it can be any form of blessing from god. In the olden day, as I have told you, Crop and livestock was a symbol of wealth and possession. Money or currency is another option.

    obey God and not man made rules.

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    1. Ok, explain, why Jews upto this moment give their tithes in the form of crops, cattle and sheep.

      Until now you are not answering my question who proposed that it is ENOUGH TO GIVE MONEY ONLY, even if you posses crops, spices, herbs, cattle, cattle and sheep.

      Don't tell me you don't have, go open your cupboard and refrigerator I'm sure you will find some.

      Question: Why you do not offer those as tithes?

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  52. @christian, I love you no matter what you chose to believe and uphold.

    Lets get that clear.

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    1. Sorry I can't love a fake INC brethren. You should be treated as TAX COLLECTOR or a PUBLICAN, as Jesus teaches.

      You destroy the Church's Unity, because you're saying a different thing, and you create a division within the Church, because of your different Beliefs.

      We are members of Christ's body, why you and me have different beliefs, that should not happen.

      The Bible said:

      1 Cor 1:10 “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that YE ALL SPEAK THE SAME THING, and that there be no divisions among you; but THAT YE BE PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER IN THE SAME MIND AND IN THE SAME JUDGMENT.” [KJV]

      We should speak the same thing, we should be perfectly united in the same mind, and in the same judgment.

      I don't speak what you speak, my judgment is different than yours, and we don't have the same thought about the INC.

      It's quite clear that you're destroying the teaching of Jesus about UNITY...

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  53. I love you too las pinas boy.

    Show your classic INC personality.

    No surprising,, I see hate in our locale everyday. envy and hate is prevails and very evident. oh its holy supper... every body being good for now... he he he..

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 21:00

      I'll pray to the Father tonight, I wished that this Holy Supper will be your last.

      Because you are a founder of new ORDER, it is known as:

      JUDAS ISCARIOTISM.

      hahahahahha!!!

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  54. @christian.. go asked you charismatic minister at your locale.. he knows the answer..

    As the Why..

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  55. you keep say you love Gods law but hate the one least of the law which is tithe.

    You failed to answer if this law was ever abolished.

    to save you time, it was never abolished.

    there is no verse in the bible it is obsolete.

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    1. Abolished means- It is no longer implemented.

      So show me a verse in the Bible that a Christian is giving Tithes.

      If it's not abolished, then there should be someone [a Christian specially] giving tithes in the New Testament aside from the Pharisees.

      Q: How did you know that it rained last night though you are deeply asleep?

      A: When you wake in the morning and you see that the place around you is all wet.

      Q: How did you know that Law of Tithing is still exists in the NT.

      A: If you see a proof that a Christian is giving Tithe, If the Apostle said to them "Give Tithes", and there is an example that someone gave tithes among them.

      Very simple, and yet very difficult for you.

      And a question that you cannot answer -- Silly question.

      It's just your "PALUSOT", LOUSY EXCUSE.

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  56. Thanks Las pinas boy...

    I like your christian ways,

    on the other hand, I pray you will prosper in faith and in love and in blessings.

    Peace and Love to you.

    fyi,, I have been this way ever since the past 10 years. I am still here blessed with faith and knowledge and the whole shabang!!!

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 21:43

      WOW SHABANG!!!

      That was so GAY!

      Nyeheheheheh!

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  57. @ Christian. you do not have to love me, Who I want you to love is God and his unchanged laws.

    I am part of the body of Christ. I only obey the laws of his Father,

    obviously you dont, you just love to follow man made rules..

    we'll on judgment day!

    where is my beloved Aerial..

    calling calling pastor Aerial!

    where are you..

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    1. Blah blah blah, and still nonsense blah blah

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  58. @christian...

    Nice atheistic faith.. are you an atheist now.. without faith.


    Q: How did you know that it rained last night though you are deeply asleep?

    A: When you wake in the morning and you see that the place around you is all wet.

    Wonderful.. it is seeing is believing now... you lack faith my beloved!

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    1. Apostle Paul said:

      1 Cor 4:6 -"WE SHOULD NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES"

      If it is not written in the Scriptures and you cannot show it, then it's not the TRUTH, very simple.

      NO WATER, IT MEANS IT DID NOT RAIN, INTIENDES?

      This discussion will never be this long if you already did show a verse that a Christian is giving tithes in the New Testament.

      The truth is you don't have anything to show, just plain BLAH BLAH BLAH!

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    2. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 22:01

      When it comes to Biblical Rules yes TO SEE IS TO BELIEVE.

      LET ME SEE IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, THEN I WILL BELIEVE.

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  59. @christain, member of a filipino church.

    I do not understand
    It's just your "PALUSOT"

    I have showed you in the NT about tithe but you refuse to understand.

    it is like... John 17:1-3.. it is clear Jesus said God is the only true God and yet people do not beleieve... you are just like it.

    blinded by the turned away INC..
    for business not a church of body of christ.

    is the body of christ for business?

    thank you..

    EVM is hoping Manny Pacquio will fight on the Arena to pullin the big bucks eh..

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    1. There is a saying that INC Man-Made Rules loves:

      "IF THE QUESTION CANNOT BE ANSWERED, DISCREDIT THE QUESTION BY SAYING - "THAT'S A STUPID AND SILLY QUESTION".

      Then followed by BLAH BLAH BLAH again...

      Thank you also. Hehehehe

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    2. Peter of Las Pinas28 February 2012 at 22:03

      Wow this person is a gossip maker,

      THAT WAS SO GAY! AGAIN

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  60. you turned away INC is the one that went beyond what was written..

    adding 6 month probation prior baptism, adding mid and end year festivities. What? isnt it everyday is a special thanksgiving day?

    subtrating..

    Robbing God by not teaching to tithe.

    Nice... really turn away INC..

    Judgment Day is near.
    baby!

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 17:19

      Uyyy he cannot prove his Tighting TRUE, that's why He's changing the topic...

      Hehehehehe, How pityful..

      TOINK!!!!

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  61. You have the burned of proof... you cannot prove how much to offer to God.

    all you have are false verse giving to the poor.

    You are brainwashed by the trillionaire

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  62. @christian.. discredit?

    what question? I've answer them all,

    you need to answer mine..

    What did God command to Give? How Much should a true Servant of God give?

    come on...st. pedro.. answer..

    see if you are paying attention during the worship service.

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    1. Ok, quote your answer to this question of mine if you did answer all my questions:

      I POST THIS AGAIN:

      Ok, explain, why Jews upto this moment give their tithes in the form of crops, cattle and sheep.

      Ok answer this one first then I will answer yours. Hehehe FAIR!
      Until now you are not answering my question who proposed that it is ENOUGH TO GIVE MONEY ONLY, even if you posses crops, spices, herbs, cattle, cattle and sheep.

      Don't tell me you don't have, go open your cupboard and refrigerator I'm sure you will find some.

      Question: Why you do not offer those as tithes?

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    2. Peter of Las Pinas29 February 2012 at 11:06

      Mr. Judas Iscariot said:

      "What did God command to Give? How Much should a true Servant of God give?"

      If you are a Catholic or member of other religion, I would think that you do not know the answer.

      But you already know the answer to that question, because you have been INDOCTRINATED.

      Otherwise you are a big DUMB and a MORON, that's why you do not know for your head only contains WATER.

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    3. There is nothing wrong in displaying stupidity?

      What's the matter with you?

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    4. @christian... enjoy the lovely but powerful words of God Almighty...

      Deu 14:24-25 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
      Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

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    5. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 17:21

      Ok, please quote verses 26 and 27 also, and let's see what they did next.

      You have no originality, you're just copying the argument of ACTS OF LAGUNA.

      How pitiful!

      Nyahahahaha

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  63. @ christian... you are weak in you point. you said
    A: If you see a proof that a Christian is giving Tithe, If the Apostle said to them "Give Tithes", and there is an example that someone gave tithes among them.

    Very simple, and yet very difficult for you.
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    oh really, if apostle paul did not mentioned it the ask Jesus. he mentioned it in Matt 23:23

    it is that simple. you just dont assume it is not practiced by the gentiles because the Jews and the gentile are united with Christ who God appointed with his laws.

    Now, did tithing ever abolished? if you give me one verse the says, I will return being brainwashed to the turn away INC.

    Promise!!

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    1. Another assumption without proof, hehehehehe.

      They are united but the Gentiles and Jews argued intensely on the issue of Circumcision which was highly followed by the Jews. The Jews want them to be Circumcised and they refused.

      What do you think if the Jews did ask them to give Tithes?

      There were no problem on this issue, because it was never implemented, so there were no argument on this issue between them.

      NO TITHES, NO ARGUMENT, INTIENDES?

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    2. Peter of Las Pinas29 February 2012 at 10:08

      We don't need you in the INC my fake brother.

      You can leave any time.

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    3. This is so fun INC vs INC

      Very nice to watch your display of STUPIDITY!

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  65. @demonic INC Pinas.

    why are you so rude. and you claim to be a christian... yeah right!

    lighten up dude. All you know is being brainwashed.

    How much should a true christian commanded to give? simple question but you decieved fake INC suppose to be true Christain will get a foolish answer for the POOR.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 15:09

      Answer it, don't be a MORON, you're indoctrinated in the INC. You know the answer.

      What did you said when it was taught to you, during that time?

      Didn't you say "you're wrong, we should give tithes!"

      Or you peed your pants. Nyahahahahaha!!!!

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  66. @catholic ako... you are more stupid for being a catholic. sorry but true.

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    1. At least I defend my faith as a Catholic.

      But you, an INC member attacking the INC!

      It's like a Dog biting his own tail.

      STUPID!!!!! STUPID!!!!

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  67. @christian... you asked..

    Ok, explain, why Jews upto this moment give their tithes in the form of crops, cattle and sheep.


    ---

    give me proof that the Jews of today still give their tithes in crop, cattle and sheep..

    my next door neighbor is a Jew from israel and they do not do this anymore.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 17:49

      Again his answer is his neighbor, wow.

      Read again MORON! This is Quoted from a Jewish Website:

      “The main biblical passages regarding the tithing of produce are: Numbers 18:21-32 and Deuteronomy 14:22-7 and 26:12.

      Biblical scholars have seen the differences in these sources concerning the recipients of the tithe as due to the social background of two separate sources, each having its own applications. Throughout the Rabbinic literature, however, the sources are harmonized and the following system emerges.

      Terumah

      THE TITHES HAVE TO BE GIVEN FROM CORN, WINE, AND OIL BY BIBLICAL LAW AND FROM FRUIT AND VEGETABLES BY RABBINIC LAW. The farmer first separates from the yield a portion (a sixtieth, fiftieth, or fortieth at the farmer's discretion), known as terumah ('heave offering' or 'gift'). This is given to a Kohen (priest) and is treated as sacred food in that it must not be eaten when the priest is in a state of ritual contamination or when the terumah itself has suffered contamination. Nor may it be eaten by a non-Kohen.


      Three Kinds of Maaser

      A tenth of the remainder of the yield, known asmaaser rishon, 'the first tithe,' is then separated and given to a Levite. The Levite, in turn, separates a tenth of his tithe and this, known as terumat maaser,is given to a Kohen to be treated with the same degree of sanctity as the original terumah, The portion given to the Levite has no sanctity and may be eaten by an ordinary Israelite.

      The farmer separates a tenth of the reminder of his yield, known as maser sheni, 'the second tithe.' This has to be taken to Jerusalem and consumed there in a spirit of sanctity. If it is too difficult to take the second tithe to Jerusalem, it can be redeemed by substituting for it a sum of money which is then taken to Jerusalem and food and drink purchased with it to be consumed there.”

      ACCORDING TO THE RABBIS, THE LAWS OF TITHING ONLY APPLY TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes, although there is some evidence of communities outside Israel, in Egypt for example, having a system of tithing.”


      Source: www.myjewishlearning.com

      So you can go anytime to Israel to give your TITHES, to a Levitical Priest, that’s where you should go and give your TITHES, and not to the INC.

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  68. @christian...
    you asked

    NO TITHES, NO ARGUMENT, INTIENDES?


    ---
    Answer: no tithes means a disobedience to Gods law. Not teaching the law of Tithes is a subtraction of Gods law... apostate INC is guilty of this.

    you CHOOSE TO OBEY DOCTRINES OF MEN AKA CHURCH ADMINISTRATION.

    End of Argument

    Comprende mi amigo?

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  69. @pEDRO...

    I refuse to be with your faith. Being a Church of Christ must be 100% in compliance to biblical teachings. I at the true church of christ part of Christ body.

    Now your filipino apostate INC..church.
    has turned away and is 95% compliance with the words of God.

    They have man- made rules. tons of them.. they are corrupt... very evident

    you are one of them, those broken unbiblical rules are very evident.

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    1. Ok this is a Biblical Teaching,

      Question:

      Do you obey this?

      Lev 11:7 "Do not eat pigs. They must be considered unclean; they have divided hoofs, but do not chew the cud."

      Lev 11:8 "Do not eat these animals or even touch their dead bodies; they are unclean."

      Lev 11:9 "You may eat any kind of fish that has fins and scales,"

      Lev 11:10 "but anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales must not be eaten."

      Lev 11:11 "Such creatures must be considered unclean. You must not eat them or even touch their dead bodies."

      Do you not eat PIG, CRABS, CLAMS, SHELLFISH, OYSTERS?

      Please give an honest answer.

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  70. ACTS of Laguna1 March 2012 at 14:54

    Christian:.. form above questions...

    2. When did the giving of Tithes in the form of money started? (deleted some)?

    3. Would it not appear that if we use money instead of crops and cattle, we’re actually changing the Law, which you actually said that does not changed?

    Here is my answer...
    (1st argument)

    2Chronicles 24:6 so he called in Jehoiada, their leader, and demanded, "Why haven't you seen to it that the Levites collect from Judah and Jerusalem the TAX which MOSES, the servant of the LORD, required the people to PAY for support of the Tent of the LORD's presence?" (GNB).. read also in KJV..

    From above verse, it state that:
    >> There is a required collection or tax (percentage)...
    >> This commandment came from Moses...
    >> The word "Tithe" was not written but Tithes means 10th part, a portion of their blessings.. means percentage, tax in short..
    >> Purpose: a support for payment... verse 5 confirms that it is money..
    2Chronicles 24:4 “And it came to pass after this, that Joash was minded to REPAIR the house of the LORD.”
    >> This only means that the tithes is not limited to cattle.. etc, but also money…

    (2nd argument)
    2Kings 22:4 Go up to Hilkiah the high priest, that he may sum the silver which is brought into the house of the LORD, which the keepers of the door have gathered of the people: v:5 “..to repair the breaches of the house, “
    >> Silver is also collected from the people.. verse 9 said that it is money…
    >> There is no force collection whatsoever during the reign of king Josiah, the people bring money to the House of the LORD, the receiver is just keeper of the door. There’s no emergency that they may require the people to give money… The only reason is that King Josiah wants to repair the House of God…
    >> There is a need to BUY (verse 6)

    Both argument suggest that the money that was used to repair the Temple was from the tithes of the people, not from the King's chest. That is to honor God, not the King. If the money belongs to the King, he might exalt himself not God.

    (3rd argument)
    Nehemiah 13:10 And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them: for the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field. v11 “…Why is the house of God forsaken? … “ v12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn…. “

    >> The tithes is to support the ministers and the workers, for them not to work to feed themselves… but is it limited to goods..

    Deuteronomy 14:24 If the place of worship is too far from your home for you to carry there the tithe of the produce that the LORD has blessed you with, then do this: v25 Sell your produce and take the money with you to the one place of worship. v26 Spend it on whatever you want---beef, lamb, wine, beer…..”

    >> No its not, it can be in the form of money to buy what they desire…

    Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, OR FOR WHATSOEVER thy soul desireth:
    >> 2Kings 12:10 said that money is stored in the house of God, so there is no issue when men give their tithes in the form of money…

    For the Last question:

    1. Is the method of giving Tithes as spoken by God to Moses, is the same method you gave your Tithes, you’re using cattles and crops instead of money? Did you retained it, and followed it just the way God had spoken it?

    >> How many are the temple of God from Moses to the last king of Israel? How about now in our days? Money is needed only for the temple repairs during their days and more of cattle for services, unlike in our days that we have many churches.. more temple means more money needed for maintenance...

    The Law was given, not to be a burden, but for them to move and perform their duties in the service of the LORD…

    The Law of Moses about tithes teaches us more than just mere giving.

    Regards.... :)

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  71. @brainwash las pinas..

    I was as stupid as you are now. I was naive like you.

    the answer is... servants of God is commanded by god to give 10% of our blessings.

    NOT 2 cor 9:7

    use your brain and you let other people think for you.

    smarty pants

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 18:02

      Ok MORON,

      Open your Bible, and show me from the NT, that we should give tihes in the form of money only if we do not have crops, cattle, herbs, spices, cummin, anise, mint, etc.

      Go ahead, show me that you have Biblical proof in every thing that you are saying.

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  72. @Aerial... you quoted "Jesus Christ clearly proven that the Law of Giving Tithes is part of Moses’ Teachings which of course the Law of Moses."

    Question: Are all of Moses law abolished?

    Answer: NO... that is a fact!

    fyi. the Manalo's and his entourage are the master of disguise. So that members will not envy their luxurious lifestyle.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 18:04

      Ok answer this question PUNY HEAD:

      According to Moses, how often you must give your Tithe?

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  73. @Acts of Laguna,

    On your first argument you said after quoting 2 Chronicles 24:6, You admitted without hesitation:

    “The word "Tithe" was not written but Tithes means 10th part, a portion of their blessings.. means percentage, tax in short.”


    So you admitted that the word “TITHE” does not appear in that verse, or even the word “TENTH”, come on my friend, and yet you assume that they gave 10% of their money?

    IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED IN THAT VERSE THAT THEY GAVE TITHE. SO IT’S NOT A FORM OF TITHE GIVING.

    It is just a monetary contribution for the Repair of the temple

    2 Chron 24:6 “So the king called for the chief priest Jehoiada and asked him, "Why didn't you require the Levites to bring the CONTRIBUTIONS from Judah and Jerusalem? The LORD'S servant Moses and the assembly had required Israel to give CONTRIBUTIONS for the use of the tent containing the words of God's promise." [God’s Words Translation]


    How often did they give their contributions, we’re not going to go too far we’re just going to skip some verses and we’ll end up here:

    2 Chron 24:10-11 “All the officials and all the people were overjoyed. They brought the money and dropped it into the box until it was full. Whenever the Levites brought the box to the king's officers and they saw a lot of money, the king's scribe and the chief priest's officer would empty the box and put it back in its place. THEY WOULD DO THIS EVERY DAY, SO THEY COLLECTED A LOT OF MONEY.” [GWT]

    You can read it from KJV too if you like!

    Clear that their CONTRIBUTION they have done, they have done it EVERYDAY!

    And what about TITHING, how often God commanded them to give their TITHES?

    Deut 26:12-13 "EVERY THIRD YEAR GIVE THE TITHE---A TENTH OF YOUR CROPS---to the Levites, the foreigners, the orphans, and the widows, so that in every community they will have all they need to eat. When you have done this, say to the LORD, 'None of the sacred tithe is left in my house; I have given it to the Levites, the foreigners, the orphans, and the widows, as you commanded me to do. I have not disobeyed or forgotten any of your commands concerning the tithe.” [GNB]

    EVERY THIRD YEAR according to God, they should give their Tithes, which is a Tenth of their crops. Very clear ha? Only a blind person could not see that.

    So if that money written in 2 Chronicles 24:6 was indeed a Tithe, who told them to give their Tithe EVERYDAY?

    Can you give your TITHE Everyday Acts of Laguna, and INC Man-Made Rules?

    Is that how often your TITHE was collected from your Church Acts of Laguna, everyday?


    So sorry ACTS OF LAGUNA, and to you INC MAN-MADE RULES, your friend here is playing a guessing game.

    So ONE DOWN, ONE TO GO, HEHEHEHEHE!!!!

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas1 March 2012 at 17:52

      How often do you give your Tithes INC Man-Made Rules?

      When you answer can you show also the verse that you used as your reference?

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  74. @christian,... pigs crab etc..

    Sorry I do not eat them, not because it was prohibited but for sure it has no connection to the offerings of sacrifice to God.

    nada capote..

    so then, list all law abolished..

    also list all laws valid to this day.

    if you can give clear list without contradiction, then i will switch back to brainwash mode.

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  75. @Pedro of Las Penis.

    Giving tithe is the tenth of Annuals blessing. It is prepared or set aside ahead of time so that it will not become by force.

    I do not even know if your question is irrelevant!

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas2 March 2012 at 07:28

      The Bible said, give every third year, is that what you are doing?

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  76. ACTS of Laguna2 March 2012 at 02:58

    Christian: Review your answer once again (Mar 1, 2012 06:13 AM)... have time to revise that.... sometimes it is good to hear your own thoughts.... :)

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    1. Why do I have to review it, you’re job mister is to refute it.

      Until now you can’t show me a verse, that in the Bible there is a commandment that you should give money only, even if you posses herbs, spices, crops, cattle, and sheep.

      Where is that in the Bible?

      I think what you are doing now is not just using MONEY as an ALTERNATIVE TITHE, but actually a REPLACEMENT TITHE from the Commandment that God originally spoken.

      You no longer gave tithe in the form of crops, cattle and sheep, you actually REPLACED them with MONEY . Where is that in the Bible?

      Show me the passage, then I will believe…

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  77. you two fools are scrutinizing when and how and what the ancient people of god tithes.

    The fact that they tithe is proof enough that God commanded the law of tithe.

    You brainwashed INC are complicating the simple law of tithes. it simple means 10 percent of our blessings.

    BUT YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN IT WAS EVER ABOLISHED.

    wHAT YOU ARE YAK YAK YAK IS THAT FACT IT WAS PRACTICED BY THE PEOPLE OF GOD.

    NOW BE A TRUE CHRISTIAN AND SHOW

    1. THE ABOLISHMENT OF TITHES

    2. HOW MUCH SHOULD I GIVE TO GOD.

    AND IT AINT 2COR9:7 FOR THIS IS FOR THE POOR.

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  78. SORRY mate, I give when ever blessing pours. I set aside ten percent.

    what about you apostate INC?

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    1. Ok, the question is How often you give your TITHE?

      Monthly? Yearly? What?

      And show me what verse in the Bible as your reference that you used why you do that?

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    2. Then, why you are giving TITHE to the Apostate INC?

      I think that is really ridiculous.

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  79. Peter of Las Pinas2 March 2012 at 08:28

    Judas Iscariot said:

    “Sorry I do not eat them, not because it was prohibited but for sure it has no connection to the offerings of sacrifice to God.”

    Hey look at this, this dumb FOOL, actually thinks that those were still prohibited by God until today, this really proved that you INC MAN-MADE RULES is just a FAKE INC MEMBER, and you never learned anything from the Bible Lessons that you received from our Minister.

    You are just a SHOW-OFF, and pretending to know so much, but the truth is.

    YOU ARE A BIG FOOL!!!

    by the way the word FOOL is in the Bible, it appeared 73 times in 69 verses.

    And it’s synonymous with the word MORON!!!, that’s you my friend

    You are really expert in displaying your STUPIDITY.

    And you are COWARD too, for you cannot do all this NONSENSE of yours in front of the INC FACE TO FACE and hide in the cloak of disguise and stab the INC from behind using the internet. Haha, such a noble deed from a CHIKEN!!!

    And you’re lecturing me about CHRISTIAN VALUES? Hahahaha, look at yourself at the mirror, because I think you do not know what Christian Value means.

    Wait ‘till the INC finds out what you are doing, You will surely be expelled – EXCOMMUNICATED!

    EXPULSION FOR THE HERETICS!

    I have a lot of muslim friends and not even one time I met someone that would say ISLAM is WRONG, but you an INC MEMBER saying that the INC is WRONG and teaching MAN-MADE RULES is absurd, and you still attend worship services and listening to the sermon by the minister by which the INC Admin prepared.

    If you HATE the doctrines, LEAVE the CHURCH.

    The wise move is to leave the INC and create your own religion like what you said. A good name for that would be, as I already suggested THE CHURCH OF THE CHEAP CHARLIES, and THE CHURCH OF THE ILOKANONG BATO. Then face the INC with a debate and defeat the Church so that other INC members will join your newly founded Church.

    That’s the wise move. Not like what you are doing right now…these are just GARBAGE and FOOLISH.

    Because here in the internet, you’re not achieving anything, you’re just making a fool out of yourself.

    For no INC member here that will believe you. And the funny thing is you can’t seem to understand that because you’re continuously displaying your PESKINESS.

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  80. Ok since you are insisting that 2 Cor 2:9 is really was intended for the POOR or Charity Only:

    Let’s look into the detail how the Early Christians done it:

    2 Cor 8:1 “Brothers and sisters, we want you to know how God showed his kindness to the churches in the province of Macedonia.”

    2 Cor 8:2 “While they were being SEVERELY TESTED BY SUFFERING, their overflowing joy, along with their EXTREME POVERTY, has made them even more generous.”

    2 Cor 8:3 “I assure you that by their OWN FREE WILL THEY HAVE GIVEN ALL THEY COULD, EVEN MORE THAN THEY COULD AFFORD.”

    2 Cor 8:4 “They made an appeal to us, begging us to let them participate in the ministry of God's kindness to his holy people in Jerusalem.”

    2 Cor 8:5 “They did more than we had expected. First, they gave themselves to the Lord and to us, since THIS WAS GOD'S WILL.” [God’s Words Translation]

    Is this how you should give to the POOR?

    Even you SEVERELY SUFFERING from EXTREME POVERTY, and you are VERY POOR you still need to give to the POOR or Charity?

    Is that what you think the Apostles doctrine in giving to Charity?

    EVEN YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM EXTREME POVERTY YOU STILL NEED TO GIVE MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO THE POOR?

    What do you think of that ha?

    It was clear in verse 5 that what they have done is GOD’s WILL:

    Was this an offering for the POOR? Let’s read:

    2 Cor 8:10 “I'm giving you my opinion because it will be helpful to you. Last year you were not only willing to take a COLLECTION but had already started to do it.”

    2 Cor 8:11 “So finish what you began to do. Then your willingness will be matched by what you accomplish”

    2 Cor 8:12 “with WHATEVER CONTRIBUTIONS you have. Since you are willing to do this, remember that people are accepted if they give what they are able to give. GOD DOESN'T ASK FOR WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE.” [GWT]

    See Apostle Paul said: “GOD DOESN'T ASK FOR WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE.”

    He did not say: “THE POOR DO NOT ASK FOR WHAT THEY DON’T HAVE”

    It means that the work that the members of the church in Macedonia that they have been accomplished were an OFFERING TO GOD. That’s why they were able to give more than they can afford even they were VERY POOR and SUFFERING from EXTREME POVERTY? It is their faith in God that dictates their hearts to do so.

    A lot of INC members was able to do that, and it’s actually not hard to do, even myself I can give more than I can afford, of course CHEAP CHARLIES cannot, for they can only give 10% of their blessing to GOD though not taught by the Apostles.


    So the question is this now INC MAN-MADE RULES:

    So you think WE SHOULD GIVE 10% TO GOD ONLY and when we give to the POOR, we should GIVE ALL THAT WE COULD and MORE THAN WE CAN AFFORD?

    So we should give MORE to the POOR and LESS to GOD?

    Is that how you understood this? Share me your thoughts…

    All the CHEAP CHARLIES out there are welcome to answer…hehehehe

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  81. this is for Pedro and Christian...

    Show the scriptures the commands by God that...

    the abolishment of tithing.(because INC subtracted this portion of the scripture and violated God.)

    the instruction of 6 months probation prior baptism.

    the invention of mid & end year thanksgiving

    the instruction to building of a multi-million dollar Arena

    the instruction to acquire useless land(s) like Scenic, South Dakota (the ghost town)

    the building or construction of hospital and College.

    If in case you cannot answer, just say so, after all you are a christian and the holiest of the holy.
    And do not worry, I will never hold you against it, only God will.

    Peace and LOve


    i know, i know, in your mind you think iam evil...but i still love you.

    only God will judge.

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    1. Ok show us the Biblical Passages for each that each one of them DISOBEYED.

      Since you are the one who believed that they are not Biblical, so it means it violated and disobeyed the Laws of God.

      Repeat them and each one of them show from the Bible the verses that they violated.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas3 March 2012 at 09:28

      Oh we are perfect match, you call me PENIS, and you are a PUSSY, hehehehehe!, PUSSY means COWARD, right?

      Oh, very easy to say anything on the internet, but proving as TRUE is never easy.

      I can even say right now that I debated the POPE and he cannot respond to my questions.

      See how easy it is?

      Do you think INC members will believe you...NO WAY!!!

      Ok I will give you an Idea, Invite a minister and discuss with him the issue, have it videotaped, and post it YOUTUBE, post the LINK here so every body could see how you pinned down in a discussion an INC Minister, then we will believe you.

      Instead of PUSSYING around I think that's the best thing to do.

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  83. @Aerial.. you said

    If you HATE the doctrines, LEAVE the CHURCH.

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    I do not hate the doctrines I was taught some 30 years ago.

    what I hate are the additions and subtraction which I realized in recent years by using the brain God given me.

    If you can provide answers to my questions. I will return as a brainwash member of the apostate INC.

    Peace to you. Judgement day is very near.

    by the way. it is very evident how members are to the exe minister, they adore him more than God..

    that action really send a negative mixed message to me and to the world.

    Most members go crazy just to touch EVM..that is sad. he walked by me in cali and I just looked at him in the eye... and he was the one who stretched out his hand to me and I find that humble.

    I do not hate EVM... keep that in mind. I do not evny his trillions either. He cannot save me either, he does not dictate my faith.
    I do not depend on him, I trust and depend of God and Jesus.

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    1. Peter of Las Pinas3 March 2012 at 09:47

      What you said right now is very offensive among INC members:

      "by the way. it is very evident how members are to the exe minister, they adore him more than God.."

      Why you didn't tell him face to face that "you are a LIAR and you teach MAN-MADE DOCTRINES".

      Why? you forget your BALLS in the house when you met him?

      Don't be PUSSY...CHICKEN!!!

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  84. The wise move is to leave the INC and create your own religion like what you said. A good name for that would be, as I already suggested THE CHURCH OF THE CHEAP CHARLIES, and THE CHURCH OF THE ILOKANONG BATO. Then face the INC with a debate and defeat the Church so that other INC members will join your newly founded Church.


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    I do not like to debate... I just like to see biblical proofs.

    I have a brain of my own, I think and compare. Then I decide.

    simple thought process indeed, isnt it.

    by the way, If every I restore the church of Christ, for sure it will be named.. The Restored Church of Christ. And I will preached all of the biblical truth the INC has thought me and will filter out the MAN MADE RULEs... I will preached how it emerged in the PI.. and became apostate by the predecessors of FYM.

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    1. Yeah, you can establish your own church if you wish, no one will stop you. When the INC was established Bro. Felix Y. Manalo is just 26 years old. When do you plan to do that? When you start receiving your pension?

      This is not new, even in the early 30’s, if I’m not mistaken, during the stewardship of Bro. Felix Y. Manalo, some of the INC ministers gone ROGUE, and turned against him,

      Among them were FRANCISCO ORA, JANUARIO PONCE, and NICOLAS PEREZ, they also questioned some of the INC’s doctrines and established their own church, when they were expelled because of rebellion.

      The two former guys named their church “IGLESIA NG DIOS KAY CRISTO JESUS” (THE CHURCH OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST), and the latter named his church “IGLESIA NG DIOS KAY CRISTO JESUS HALIGI AT SUHAY NG KATOTOHANAN (THE CHURCH OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST THE PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF THE TRUTH).

      And you know what happened to them?

      The Bible has the answer:

      Isaiah 41:11 “Behold, all those who were angered against you shall be ashamed and confounded; they shall be as nothing. And those who fight with you shall perish.”

      Isaiah 41:12 “You shall seek them, and shall not find them; men warring against you shall be as nothing, and as ceasing.” [Modern King James Version]


      They were all gone, and even the church that they established for the purpose of destroying the INC did not live long nor prosper, I think only a very few people in the Philippines knew that there was churches which have that name appeared. I can’t see even a single chapel of these religions ever established in all the places that I’ve been in the Philippines.

      Just a reminder my dear, this passages that pertains to the last messenger of God and to the Church in these last days, are repeatedly fulfilling for no one among the enemies of the church succeeded in destroying the INC as God himself had promised that her enemies will perish and disappear.

      God never breaks his promise…

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    2. ACTS of Laguna3 March 2012 at 10:44

      Christian... you claim that the INC of Bro Manalo is the one that was established by Christ and you said God never breaks his promise...

      My question is this, is the church established during the time of the apostles as written in acts had ended??..
      If not, do you think there are two churches now in existence?
      >> my question is off the thread, hope you could answer my query in "Ang Sugo ng Diyos sa mga Huling Araw - Part 3"..

      INC Man-Made Rules... can you also share your thoughts to us..

      ..... :)

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    3. Let's put things in order here my friend, this thread is about Tithing.

      Hindi ba may assignment ka na dapat tutulan about Tithing?

      Iyon muna ang asikasuhin mo kaibigan.

      Pupuntahan ko iyan, if I have time, I'm still busy with my fake INC Brother.

      Your questions are not hard.

      Now let's go back to Tithing, I am waiting for you to refute my post which you told me to review.

      Bakit ayawan na ba sa Tithing?

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  85. @aerial my love...

    why do you call me coward when I my questions are very valid?

    Why do you call me fake will my desire is to follow and obey 100% of God's Law?

    I asked several ministers and they are like robots, brainwashed in BEM.

    facts are facts. You labell me evil because of I raise valid points in favor to God's Law?

    Get real and trust God.

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  86. @christian... you reasoning is so lame.

    Money can buy herbs, spices, crops, cattle, and sheep.


    Now can herbs, spices, crops, and cattle use to exchange to build and maintained temples of God?

    You are not the one having common sense, your issues is... you chose not the use it.

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    1. Ok, I will give you this chance.

      Show me a Biblical verse, that we can clearly read that God commanded to give Tithes for the purpose of Building and repairing his house or TEMPLE.

      And we will see if your COMMON SENSE can save you!

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  87. @Christian..

    you asked when do I give my offering of sacrifice?

    Answer: Whenever I receive blessings from God. As soon as I get, I automatically set aside the 10% percent. And I offer it constantly.

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    1. I did not only ask you when? I also ask you which Biblical verse you used as your reference why you gave your Tithes in that manner.

      Ok you answer already how often, now show me what verse?

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    1. Wow this is getting fun,

      You said 2 Cor 2:9 is for the poor or Charity, and not as an offering to God.

      So can you show us from the Bible (specially in NT) where we could read very clearly that we should also give TITHES to CHARITY?

      Enlighten us WISE ONE!

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  89. Christian...

    why are you so doubtful?... that they are not in the bible?...

    I do not accuse without meat to back up my trust in the bible.

    You know and I know those violations are indeed direct and clearly in black and white.

    The law of tithe alone you and any minister failed to prove the abolishment of it in the NT.

    All the reasoning you provided are "run around the bush" meaning you are just diverting and knit picking the issue. Keep in mine, I am for God and the Fact INC fail to teach its members to tithe constitute to be anti-God.

    Shall we move on to the next subject? ...Baptisim? perhaps!

    I have used all versions and all means of search engines to retain my unity with the Men of the so called Church Administration.

    But I could NOT. Really brother, I speak without hate but I know you hate me and see me a rebel and evil. I know it because I was a good defender of the INC once upon a time.

    Peace and LOve

    Judgement Day is very Near!

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    1. Ok you said very clearly now:

      "You know and I know those violations are indeed direct and clearly in black and white."

      Ok I want to see the BLACK & WHITE you are talking about.

      SHOW ME THE VERSES!

      I will give you a chance now to discuss this issue, I can see now that you are struggling so hard to defend your LAW of TITHING.

      Ok let's start with the 6 months probation period.

      Show me the verse or verses in the Bible that this INC Practice violated.

      How long should be the probation period?

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  90. @Christian, my love, I do not want to put you to shame any further. You know those who were preached the Gospel can demand baptism at once, in other words immediately. For one's baptism is a choice of the one who believed the gospel. A believer should be the one who will dictate his time of baptism and not anyone else.

    Acts 16:30-33
    Good News Translation (GNT)
    30 Then he led them out and asked,
    Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
    31 They answered,
    Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your family.32 Then they preached the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in the house.33 At that very hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; and he and all his family were baptized at once.

    Can you prove to be in the bible that says 6 month probation or brainwashing periord?

    Peace and Love

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  91. Here is another version.

    Acts 16:30-33
    New International Version (NIV)
    30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
    31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

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  92. I know you still want to argue with God's Words. but to reinforce how long it took for them to be baptist.

    Acts 16:30-33
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family.

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  93. Do you want be to post the bible passage of the african eunuchs?

    Act 8:36... figure out the length of time... from the time Philip taught the Eunuch and the time he was baptist.

    34 The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

    36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.


    Shall we proceeds to the next issue... like mid and end year "special Thanksgiving"? I will work with your pace.

    I know I am hated by the INC's. But I sorry I am for God not for Men.

    Peace and Love

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  94. @Acts of Laguna...

    I believe there is only ONE Church of Christ. I say COC because INC is known to be the 1st registered Sole Corporation in the Philippines., it is a trademark that by law no other entity can use the name "Iglesia Ni Cristo". It is like a business name being protected by under the law of the land. Brother Felix Manalo did his homework and I truly believe he was used by God as a messenger but NOT the LAST. The Word “last” is only an assumption. It is not biblical. This is another issue the latter INC failed to prove.

    However, when one is a "church" one is part of the body of Christ because he is the head of the body, the church. TAKE NOTE: The Body of Christ is 100% in full compliance to the LAW of God, the Father. Because Christ was sent by God to reconcile the Jews but this time to include the Gentiles, (non-Jews) in which this task was entrusted to Apostle Paul. Christ came into this world growing up attending the synagogue with his parents Mary and Joseph. He was a Jew, a descendant of Abraham. Take note Jesus is very Jewish.

    Also take NOTE: From the moment Israelites (Jews) broke the covenant up to the time when Christ built his Church, the world was Godless. I say Godless because God has a history of choosing his own people.

    Now we have this basis set clear. The process of reconciliation was this ONE NEW MAN, being Christ as the head and his Body as the Church. Entering the Body so that one can be part of it is to believe the Gospel of Christ. The Gospel is the Good News of Salvation. That Gospel’s and foremost is to know THE ONLY TRUE GOD FOR IT IS ETERNAL LIFE. The one true God is the Father, the God of Jesus. There is no other God. One must believe That Christ is sent by God who is a MAN (not God) who brought the Gospel (good news of salvation).

    In detail here is the process.


    The Procedure Set By Christ:

    It is not enough that man subscribes to any teaching on salvation.
    · First - He has to make sure that the teaching should be what God prescribes as written in the Holy Bible.
    · Second - He has to qualify whether the means of saving his soul is what Christ teaches, otherwise, he is not after saving his soul but receiving the punishment of God.

    On the day of the Pentecost, when the Jews heard the teachings of Apostle Peter about Jesus Christ. The Jews were touched by the message of the teachings. Their hearts were filled with shame on how they had previously mocked Christ and His teachings and committed transgressions against God. So, the Jews asked the Apostles on what to do in their earnest desire not to displease God anymore and for God to spare them from His anger come Judgment Day.
    In Acts 2:37, this is written:
    Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?'' (NKJV)
    46A.1 What did Apostle Peter said to those who ask him, "What shall we do to be saved"?
    In Acts 2:38, Peter said to them:
    Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (NKJV)
    "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins".
    46A.2 Who were baptized on that day by the Apostles and why were they baptized?
    In Acts 2:41, this is written:
    Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand persons were added that day. (NAB)
    The same verse in another version of the Bible:
    Those, therefore, who joyfully welcomed his Message were baptized; and on that one-day about three thousand persons were added to them; (WNT)
    Those who accepted or joyfully welcomed the message from God were baptized.

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  95. @christian.. Show me a Biblical verse, that we can clearly read that God commanded to give Tithes for the purpose of Building and repairing his house or TEMPLE.

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    When verses are mentioned that they offered, and the word "tithe" is not mentioned on the verse is because it was practiced by the people of god. Why do you demand that every verse in the bible that mentioned concerning "offerings" to God must included the word "tithe"?

    Tithe simply means 10%... it is not the "offering" per say but an amount or portion or figure or measure.

    What is the matter with you.

    Yes, God loves a cheerful giver
    Yes, God wants you to give voluntarily
    Yes, God wants you to give what is in your heart, meaning you must not be reluctant.

    "your heart",,,is not a decision of how much to give. it simply means you love to Give.

    for the sake of arguement, 2 Cor 9... does not imply the amount to give but how your attitude should be.

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  96. @Christian.. as what bro Felix preached, he said "do not believe in me but believe in the words of God" I heard this voice recording at Central museum years ago.

    And that's why i only believe in the bible, simple isn't?

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  99. @christian... I do not wish to put down your native language if may I request we can discuss in english.

    I have to google translate and its a hassle.

    now back to the issue. Are we still in the subject of tithe?

    you have not proven to me it was ever abolished.

    Act of Laguna ate you alive with the subject and you have not proven the abolishment of the law imposed by God.

    just one verse saying... the abolishment.

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  100. @christian.. you asked..

    So can you show us from the Bible (specially in NT) where we could read very clearly that we should also give TITHES to CHARITY?

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    There is absolutely no verse in the bible OT and NT to tithe to Charity.

    God is not a Charity. We are to offer our sacrifice to God from the best of the best. the 1st 10% of our blessings aka wages or income or whatever you may call it.

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