Tuesday 6 December 2011

The Works of Righteousness that God will not Justify


    PEOPLE who are promoting the “FAITH ALONE MOVEMENT” and of course Eric (our Blog’s number 1 Fan and Supporter) who is promoting the “YOUR FAITH and YOUR WORKS can NOT SAVE you MOVEMENT”, have similar belief that WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS or WORKS OF THE LAW, is NOT seen as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED by GOD.  And of course in order to convince people in this belief, they are using VERSES from the Bible, to prove that what they are preaching are WORDS of GOD and to make it appear that their beliefs and teachings are BIBLICAL.


These are the VERSES:

Titus 3:5  “NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” [King James Version]

Galatians 2:16  “yet knowing that A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” [American Standard Version]


In the first instance by just merely looking at these verses it would appear that they have a point, and what they are trying to prove were really written in the Bible. 

Well of course if we have a HABIT of just PICKING UP only the VERSES that will agree with what we believed and IGNORE the others, it would mean that we don’t believe in the ENTIRETY of the written words of God in the Bible.

We should follow the Rule that Eric suggested, for this is the APPROPRIATE MOVE:

“WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE VERSES”

The only problem is,  ERIC is the FIRST and FOREMOST  who defies his RULE hehehehe.

Why did I say that they do not believe in the Bible’s entirety by picking up verses that only they think agrees and ignoring those that they think do not?  Because if they would interpret those verses as the way they interpret and explain them, meaning without further researching on what are their TRUE MEANING, it would appear that in the Bible there are CONTRADICTIONS.

Let us see the following verses that will CONTRADICT their EXPLANATION and UNDERSTANDING.

Regarding WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS:

Psalms 106:3  “BLESSED ARE THEY that keep judgment, and HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS AT ALL TIMES.” [KJV]

Acts 10:35  “but in every nation he who is fearing Him, and IS WORKING RIGHTEOUSNESS, IS ACCEPTABLE TO HIM;” [Young’s Literal Translation]

1 John 3:10  “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS is NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.” [KJV]

As we can see very clearly see from those passages above that God will BLESS, ACCEPT, and consider His CHILDREN anyone who will do the WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.


Regarding the WORKS OF THE LAW:

James 1:25  “But whoso looketh into the PERFECT LAW of liberty, and continueth therein, HE BEING NOT A FORGETFUL HEARER, BUT A DOER OF THE WORK, this man shall be blessed in his deed.” [KJV]

It is very clear also that not the FORGETFUL HEARER but the DOER OF THE WORK will be blessed.

Which work?  Of course the WORKS of the LAW.

It means when we do the WORKS of the LAW, we are OBEYING THE LAW. We are not only listeners, but we are doers of the LAW.

For it is a COMMANDMENT of the Almighty God:

Leviticus 18:4  “OBEY MY LAWS and DO WHAT I COMMAND. I am the LORD your God.” [Good News Bible]

And those who will not obey His LAWS are committing a SIN:

1 John 3:4  “WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN TRANSGRESSETH ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.” [KJV]

So what is the meaning of TRANSGRESSION? Let us get the meaning from another Bible version:

1 John 3:4  “Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is DISOBEDIENCE.” [GWT]

So TRANSGRESSION means DISOBEDIENCE to the LAWS of GOD.

If we’re going to go back to the people who believed in their INSTANT LITERAL INTERPRETATION of Galatians 2:16 and Titus 3:5,  and accept how they UNDERSTOOD these verses, it would appear then that God has put a man in a situation where he will not be saved. Because it would appear that God commanding us to do the things that he consider being NON RIGHTEOUSS or JUSTIFIED.

What is that? Was it not mind boggling?

 It’s like God has commanded us humans to Go to a Ravine and Jump there and die.

Look at this, If God will not JUSTIFY or will not consider RIGHTEOUS the WORKS OF THE LAW and RIGHTEOUSNESS, why the Bible which is the WORDS of GOD said that if we will not do the WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS we are not consider as His Children or if we do not OBEY THE LAW we are sinful.

It would be like we are in a TWILIGHT ZONE…in a puzzle that’s very hard to comprehend.

If we do the WORKS of the LAW or OBEY THE LAW we are also BLESSED, and not considered as SINFUL but we are not JUSTIFIED or seen as RIGHTEOUS.

“BLESSED, and NOT SINFUL BUT NOT JUSTIFIED nor RIGHTEOUS”

And similar to WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, if we do the WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS we are ACCEPTABLE, BLESSED, AND CONSIDERED AS HIS CHILDREN, and yet we are NOT RIGHTEOUS nor JUSTIFIED.

“ACCEPTABLE, BLESSED, AND CONSIDERED AS CHILDREN OF GOD BUT NOT JUSTIFIED nor RIGHTEOUSS”

So the solution of those people: Keep their UNDERSTANDING and INTERPRETATION of Galatians 2:16 and Titus 3:5 since they are in accordance with their beliefs and IGNORE those verses we’ve shown that are in CONTRAST in what they believed.

That’s why you’ll never see them using those verses, and if only given the chance and possibility we are sure, they would ERASE them from the Bible.

Because of this we can ask now, look who’s ISOLATING VERSES, ha Eric?

We no so very well that the WORDS of GOD will NEVER CONTRADICT ITSELF nor it will create CONFUSION, for God is not the AUTHOR of CONFUSION:

1 Corinthians 14:33  “For GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” [KJV]

It’s very clear that we can conclude that God will not speak or do things to CONFUSE us. For His WORDS written in the BIBLE are upholding UNITY and ONENESS of TOUGHT because ALL of them came from ONLY ONE GOD, so they will never ever contradict each other.

So let us DIG DEEPER to Galatians 2:16 and Titus 3:5’s TRUE MEANING, for they should not contradict other verses that we have shown.


The WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS That God Will Not Justify

Let us quote again the verse:

Titus 3:5  “NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” [King James Version]

The people who are using this passage were just focusing on the phrase “WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS” but deliberately ignoring the phrase: “WHICH WE HAVE DONE” that follows after.

What is the meaning of that specific phrase? Let us read the same verse in another Bible version:

Titus 3:5  “not by works done in RIGHTEOUSNESS, WHICH WE DID OURSELVES, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost,” [ASV]

It is clear that this is the RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE DID OURSELVES,  it means we are the CREATOR, MAKER, FABRICATOR and SOURCE of this RIGHTEOUSNESS and not GOD.

Was there a proof of this from the Bible? That we humans CREATED or ESTABLISHED our own RIGHTEOUSNESS? Of course, look and see for yourselves:

Romans 10:3  FOR THEY BEING IGNORANT OF GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND GOING ABOUT TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” [KJV]

See Eric, according to Apostle Paul who also wrote Titus 3:5, there are people who are IGNORANT of GOD’s RIGHTEOUSNESS and instead of submitting themselves to the RIGHTEOUSNESS which God has CREATED, THEY ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

And these are the WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS that we DID, CREATED, ESTABLISHED by ourselves THAT GOD WILL NOT JUSTIFY nor consider as RIGHTEOUSS, because these does not comply with GOD’s RIGHTEOUSNESS which is the WORD of GOD [Psalms 119:172].

What are those WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS that we humans have done as a result of our IGNORANCE to GOD’s RIGHTEOUSNESS or His Words?

Romans 10:3  “They have not known the way in which God puts people right with himself, and instead, THEY HAVE TRIED TO SET UP THEIR OWN WAY; and so they did not submit themselves to God's way of putting people right.” [GNB]

Apostle Paul said: “THEY HAVE TRIED TO SET UP THEIR OWN WAY”, instead of submitting themselves to GOD’s WAY or RIGHTEOUSNESS.

These are the WORKS that we base not on the RULES or LAW of GOD written in the BIBLE, but the RULES  we ESTABLISHED and CREATED for ourselves and we decided to follow and consider for ourselves as RIGHTEOUS, those are the things that GOD will never consider as RIGHTEOUS nor JUSTIFY.


The WORKS OF THE LAW That God Will Not Justify

Let us go back to the verse that they use that we quoted earlier regarding this:

Galatians 2:16  “yet knowing that A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” [American Standard Version]

Which WORKS OF THE LAW were being referred here that God will not be JUSTIFIED? Let us get the full context and reasons why Apostle Paul said this message to the Gentile Christians of Galatia.

Let us read the PRECEDING VERSES and you will see what I mean, that those people using this passage were just JUMPING IN A WRONG CONLUSION.

Gal 2:11  “But when Peter came to Antioch, I OPPOSED HIM TO HIS FACE, BECAUSE HE WAS TO BE BLAMED.”

Gal 2:12  “For before certain men came from James, he would eat together with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to draw back and began to separate himself, FEARING THOSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION PARTY.”

Gal 2:13  “And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.”

Gal 2:14  “But when I saw that they did not act rightly with respect to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "IF YOU, BEING A JEW, LIVE IN GENTILE FASHION AND NOT IN JEWISH FASHION, WHY DO YOU COMPEL THE GENTILES TO LIVE AS JEWS?”

Gal 2:15  “We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Gal 2:16  “knowing that A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; because no flesh shall be justified by the works of the law.”

There is a story behind that was often OVERLOOKED and NEGLECTED by the people who use Galatians 2:16.  The very History that took place when this letter was written by Apostle Paul, they are DELIBERATELY IGNORING.

Always remember my beloved viewers that this LETTER BY APOSTLE PAUL was addressed to the GENTILE CHRISTIANS OF GALATIA (Not to you Eric, and those people who use that verse, keep that in mind). There are SIGNIFICANT ISSUES here that we should consider. Apostle Paul mentioned about the CIRCUMCISION PARTY and a question which he addressed to Apostle Peter which says: “WHY DO YOU COMPEL THE GENTILES TO LIVE AS JEWS?”

Therefore we should consider the meaning and intention of Apostle Paul why he said that message, and we should not give our own meaning. For that will DISTORT the TRUE MEANING of the message.

Based on the EVIDENCES that we have seen from the Previous passages, we could say that the “WORKS OF LAW” that are being mentioned by Apostle Paul is a kind of LAW that would make the GENTILES live like a JEW. Because he said this to Apostle Peter:

“WHY DO YOU COMPEL THE GENTILES TO LIVE AS JEWS?”

And by this important phrase came out our LEAD in determining the TRUE MEANING of Galatians 2:16:

For the information of those who do not know, when the CHURCH OF CHRIST in the First Century propagated in the Gentile Nations, A PROBLEM ARISES between the JEWS and the GENTILES and this is recorded in the Scriptures:

Acts 15:1-2  “Some men came from Judea to Antioch and started teaching the believers, "YOU CANNOT BE SAVED UNLESS YOU ARE CIRCUMCISED AS THE LAW OF MOSES REQUIRES." Paul and Barnabas got into a fierce argument with them about this, so it was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of the others in Antioch should go to Jerusalem and see the apostles and elders about this matter.” [GNB]

Acts 15:5  “But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT JEWISH MUST BE CIRCUMCISED AND ORDERED TO FOLLOW MOSES' TEACHINGS." [GWT]

The JEWISH CHRISTIANS were requesting the CONVERTED GENTILES to follow the LAW OF MOSES about CIRCUMCISION, they are commanding the GENTILES to be CIRCUMCISED, and Apostle Paul disagree and argued with Peter regarding this issue. And this has created a dispute between brethrens among JEWS and GENTILES, that their solution was to go to JERUSALEM and settle the matter in front of the CHURCH ELDERS. And as we continue to read the rest of the verses in the same chapter, Apostle James stood up and made a decision which he said:

Acts 15:19-20  “Therefore I judge that WE MUST NOT CAUSE TROUBLE FOR THOSE WHO ARE TURNING TO GOD FROM AMONG THE GENTILES;   but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.” [English Majority Text Version]

And the decision of the Church turn out to be in FAVOR of the GENTILES for they are no longer required to obey the WORKS OF THE LAW that are trying to impose or implement by the JEWS to the GENTILES.

This is the WORKS OF THE LAW that are being mentioned by Apostle Paul in Galatians 2:16 that will not be JUSTIFIED, it is the LAW OF MOSES – “THE LAW THAT WILL MAKE A GENTILE LIVE LIKE A JEW” and  the GENTILES no longer needed to obey this LAW.

And Apostle Paul himself, directly said that in the Bible:

Acts 13:16, 38  “Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience…Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:  And by him all that believe are justified from all things, FROM WHICH YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.” [KJV]

Very clearly spoken by Apostle Paul as I quote again:

“FROM WHICH YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.”

So this statement that he said in Galatians 2:16 which says:

“…yet knowing that A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but through faith in Jesus Christ,”

“WORKS OF THE LAW” here very clearly refers to the LAW OF MOSES, for it is TRUE that we’ll no longer be Justified by this LAW, for this LAW ends its VALIDITY when JOHN THE BAPTIST was born.

Of course this TRUTH is recorded in the Bible, and NOT MY OWN WORDS:

Luke 16:16  "The LAW OF MOSES and the writings of the prophets WERE IN EFFECT UP TO THE TIME OF JOHN THE BAPTIST; since then the Good News about the Kingdom of God is being told, and everyone forces their way in.” [GNB]

We will never be JUSTIFIED anymore in our time if we still continue to follow and to do the WORKS OF THE LAW of MOSES, for that LAW is only IN EFFECT before the TIME of JOHN THE BAPTIST.

And that’s how we should UNDERSTAND Galatians 2:16, not from our own ANGLE or POINT OF VIEW, but from the ANGLE or POINT OF VIEW of Apostle Paul who said it, for that is really what he meant in that message.

And that meaning will NEVER CONTRADICT any other passages from the Bible for sure.


So by giving a FALSE EXPLANATION to the letter of Paul to the Galatians you Eric, and others are bringing destruction to yourselves, as Apostle Peter emphasized:

2 Peter 3:15-16  “Look on our Lord's patience as the opportunity he is giving you to be saved, just as OUR DEAR FRIEND PAUL WROTE TO YOU, using the wisdom that God gave him. This is what he says in all his letters when he writes on the subject. THERE ARE SOME DIFFICULT THINGS IN HIS LETTERS WHICH IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE EXPLAIN FALSELY, AS THEY DO WITH OTHER PASSAGES OF THE SCRIPTURES. SO THEY BRING ON THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.” [GNB]

So before you attempt to INTERPRET any of  the messages written in Paul’s LETTERS think twice because maybe instead of bringing out the TRUTH you might end up bringing DESTRUCTION to your own self.

God bless to all brethrens in Christ Jesus…

Monday 28 November 2011

Identifying the True Messengers of God


Jesus Christ while reading the Book of Isaiah where the
PROPHECY as a PROOF of his AUTHORITY as a
MESSENGER OF GOD is written


A thread response to our Blog’s No. 1 Fan, ERIC from Toronto, Canada
  
I am right by saying this to you ERIC:

"I know you ERIC, if you cannot prove something TRUE, or you cannot REFUTE what I’ve just proven to be TRUE, your LAME EXCUSE and ESCAPE…

That’s MOOT! That’s LAME!"


Bro. Christian asked you this:

“The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.

If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?”


Look at what you answered to him:

"The RAVENOPUS bird and FAR EAST referring to PHILLIPINES is once again a MOOT POINT to argue as the MEASURE of s GOD-sent MESSENGER is if HE is TRUE TO THE WORD of GOPD".

The RAVENOUS BIRD and the FAR EAST referring to the PHILIPPINES is a MOOT POINT to argue…according to you, and it is not a MEASURE of GOD sent MESSENGER if he is true to the Word of God.  So to you (of course from your OPINION and SPECULATIONS as usual) having a PROPHECY in the Bible that pertains to a particular person, is not a MARK of IDENTIFICATION of being a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.

Because you cannot REFUTE that's why it is a MOOT POINT, so there is no doubt that I really knew you well ha. Hehehehehe, that’s not unusual for you Eric. You always have an alibi for your IGNORANCE…

Don’t you think, if God really opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS to His TRUTH and MYSTERIES. (Like you said your GOD not my GOD had done to you). Don't you think you will not be able to DECIPHER the meaning of that PROPHECY and answer the question?

In fact you said this to Sis. Catherine:

“…God only REVEALS the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC truth to those HE decides to OPEN their SPIRITUAL eyes and ears.”


According to your SPECULATIONS again, God had opened you SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS (was there a SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS written in the Bible? Hehehehehe? Just asking.), so it means he revealed to you the meaning of his Mysteries and Symbolical statements, right? So there is no reason for you to avoid that question for it is clear what is meant in Isaiah 46:11 is SYMBOLICAL.

But because you cannot respond to that question and it is quite clear that you’re just using again an ALIBI to escape from it.   It would clearly appear then that your statement that I quoted above is just a mere BLUF or in worst case, a LIE. 

It is quite clear that the TRUE REASON is you cannot REFUTE nor DISPROVE Bro. Felix Manalo being the RAVENOUS BIRD as mentioned in that PROPHECY.  And of course you cannot prove that the Philippines is not the country mentioned in that prophecy as the place where the RAVENOUS BIRD would came from.

And you do not know that actually having a PROPHECY that pertains to the person being SENT BY GOD as His MESSENGER that is written in the Bible is really one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.

Let us open our Bible and let us get the answers from there, for we are not Eric.


How do we identify the TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD?

This is written in the Bible, and I firmly believe that you do not know this Eric:

Isaiah 8:20  “To the LAW and to the TESTIMONY: if they speak not according to this word, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.” [KJV]

The IDENTIFYING MARKS given by the Bible to be able for us to know and identify who are the TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD are TWO:

1: They speak according to the LAW

2: They speak according to the TESTIMONY

According to that verse if they will not speak according to this word:  “THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM”

LIGHT stands for the TRUTH, therefore if a person who come to us and tell us that he is a MESSENGER of GOD, these are the TWO things to consider, and the IDENTIFYING MARKS that will prove to us that he is indeed a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD. If he does not possess these TWO IDENTIFYING MARKS then he is not a TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD but a FRAUD or a FALSE MESSENGER.


Speaking according to the LAW

What is the LAW that the TRUE MESSENGERS should speak? Let us again get our answers from the Bible, to avoid making mistakes and contradictions like Eric is doing most of the time:

Psalms 78:1  “Give ear, O my people, to MY LAW: incline your ears to the WORDS OF MY MOUTH.” [KJV]

The TRUE MESSENGER of God must speak according to the LAW which means, what he will speak and preach is the LAW or the  WORDS OF GOD as Jesus emphasized:

John 3:34  “THE ONE WHOM GOD HAS SENT SPEAKS GOD'S WORDS, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.” [Good News Bible]

And he will not speak only from his own thoughts:

John 7:16-18 “Jesus responded to them, "WHAT I TEACH DOESN'T COME FROM ME BUT FROM THE ONE WHO SENT ME. Those who want to follow the will of God will know IF WHAT I TEACH IS FROM GOD OR IF I TEACH MY OWN THOUGHTS.  THOSE WHO SPEAK THEIR OWN THOUGHTS ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR OWN GLORY. BUT THE MAN WHO WANTS TO BRING GLORY TO THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A TRUE TEACHER AND DOESN'T HAVE DISHONEST MOTIVES.” [God’s Words Bible]

So it is quite clear that the teachings of the TRUE MESSENGER of GOD as this verse say THE TRUE TEACHER, does not come from his own THOUGHTS, not from his own OPINIONS, SPECULATIONS, and ASSUMPTIONS, for what he taught is from the LAW or the WORDS OF GOD written in the Holy Scriptures. All his teachings were all based from the Bible or in other words PURELY BIBLICAL.  If you want to give glory to the one who sent you, you will use His words not yours, and that is SPEAKING ACCORDING TO THE LAW means.


Speaking according to the TESTIMONY

Now let us go to the second IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD: “Speaking according to the TESTIMONY”

What is the meaning of TESTIMONY that is mentioned in the book of Isaiah, we’re not going to give our own opinion, we will get our answer straight from the Bible:

Revelations 19:10  “I bowed at his feet to worship him. But he told me, "Don't do that! I am your coworker and a coworker of the Christians who hold on to the TESTIMONY of Jesus. Worship God, because the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!"  [GNB]

The Bible gave us a direct answer: TESTIMONY means SPIRIT OF PROHECY. Therefore TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD not only teaches pure WORDS of GOD from the BIBLE, but also posses for themselves the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

In other words they were PROPHESIED by the SCRIPTURES, and that is the PROOF of his AUTHORITY as the TRUE TEACHER or PREACHER sent by GOD. There is a PROPHECY written in the Bible that pertains to them as the PROOF or EVIDENCE that GOD has COMMISSIONED them to PREACH his WORDS.

That’s why we can clearly say now, that not all people who have the ability to read and explain the GOSPEL or the WORDS of GOD, for the BIBLE is readily available to anyone, is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD. One must possess BOTH of these IDENTIFYING MARKS in order to be proven to be a TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD. Because no one is allowed to PREACH God’s words unless they are SENT or they are COMMISSIONED by GOD as His MESSENGERS to do this duty, as Apostle Paul scribed in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 10:15  “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? Just as it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, of those preaching the gospel of good things!"  [English Majority Text Version]

This is how we’re going to TEST those who introduce themselves as MESSENGERS of GOD.


Examples of People from the Bible that have a PROPHECY as a PROOF of their AUTHORITY as TRUE MESSENGERS


1:  JOHN THE BAPTIST

Let us read the PROPHECY that is pertaining to JOHN THE BAPTIST:

Isaiah 40:3  “The VOICE of one that CRIETH, PREPARE YE IN THE WILDERNESS THE WAY OF THE LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” [Revised Version]

One of the distinguishing characteristics that pertain to a prophecy regarding God’s commissioning of His Messengers is that GOD DOES NOT MENTION THEIR NAMES IN THE PROPHECY. So it is absurd to think and say that we should find the name of the person being prophesied as a proof according to our detractors, that they are really the one being particularly mentioned.

The prophecy will never contain the NAME of the person that was being prophesied, but his MISSION and his DUTIES that he will accomplish were the ones being mentioned and described in the prophecy. Because mentioning the name would result for anyone to easily CLAIM the PROPHECY for himself, and simply say “THAT’S ME, BECAUSE THAT’S MY NAME”.

This will never going to happen, because God only gave the TRUE WISDOM to those people whom he sent the power to interpret the TRUE MEANING of the prophecy pertaining to the particular person whom He commissioned to be His Messengers. In other words, only the fulfillment of the prophecy or the one being prophesied can explain the prophecy’s TRUE MEANING.

And that what exactly happened when the prophecy about JOHN THE BAPTIST was fulfilled:

John 1:19-23  “AND THIS IS THE WITNESS OF JOHN, WHEN THE JEWS SENT UNTO HIM FROM JERUSALEM PRIESTS AND LEVITES TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? And he confessed, and denied not; and he confessed, I am not the Christ.  And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou the prophet? And he answered, No.  THEY SAID THEREFORE UNTO HIM, WHO ART THOU? THAT WE MAY GIVE AN ANSWER TO THEM THAT SENT US. WHAT SAYEST THOU OF THYSELF? HE SAID, I AM THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD, AS SAID ISAIAH THE PROPHET.”  [RV]

As we can see in this event, it was JOHN THE BAPTIST himself who declared and explained that he was the fulfillment or the one being mentioned by the prophecy that was written in the Book of Isaiah [Isaiah 40:3]. And this is the proof of John’s authority as a TRUE MESSENGER of God.

And one thing more, THE PROPHECY PERTAINING TO A PARTICULAR PERSON CAN NEVER BE FULFILLED TO OTHERS EXCEPT THE SPECIFIC PERSON BEING PROPHESIED. The prophecy of God regarding His MESSENGERS have no double fulfillment.  The prophecy that pertained to JOHN, can never be fulfilled to anyone except to Him.


Let us get another example:


2: APOSTLE PAUL

Similar to John the Baptist, APOSTLE PAUL was also been prophesied by God in His Scriptures:

Isaiah 49:6  “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” [KJV]

And when the prophecy was fulfilled, it was APOSTLE PAUL himself who explained this:

Acts 13:46-47  “Then PAUL and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. FOR SO HATH THE LORD COMMANDED US, SAYING, I HAVE SET THEE TO BE A LIGHT OF THE GENTILES, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. [KJV]

It is clearly emphasized in these passages that indeed that prophecy is a sign or a proof of Apostle Paul’s genuine authority to preach the word of God, for it is a task which was foretold hundreds of years before his birth as his mission to the Gentiles.


3: the greatest among all MESSENGERS of God, the Lord JESUS CHRIST

Of course he would also have a prophecy as a proof of his authority since no one can deny that JESUS CHRIST is also a MESSENGER of GOD, and he is considered the GREATEST among them. Let us read the prophecy that pertains to him:

Isaiah 61:1-2  “The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; HE HATH SENT ME TO BIND UP THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES, AND THE OPENING OF THE PRISON TO THEM THAT ARE BOUND;  to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [RV]

As we can see in the PROPHECY never the name of JESUS CHRIST was mentioned, and only His mission and tasks assigned to him by the Lord GOD were described in detail by the prophecy.  And when the day that the fulfillment of the prophecy had taken place, similar to the two prophecies that we already shown, it was JESUS himself who explained that the prophecy’s fulfillment was himself.

Luke 4:16-21  “And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and he entered, as HIS CUSTOM WAS, INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, AND STOOD UP TO READ.  AND THERE WAS DELIVERED UNTO HIM THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written,  THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH GOOD TIDINGS TO THE POOR: HE HATH SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, To set at liberty them that are bruised,  To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him.  AND HE BEGAN TO SAY UNTO THEM, TODAY HATH THIS SCRIPTURE BEEN FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS.” [RV]

JESUS CHRIST himself read the book of Isaiah, go to where the prophecy about him was written, and explained that the prophecy was fulfilled in their ears, meaning they are listening to the person being mentioned in the prophecy as God has anointed to free the captives and to give sight to the blind, etc.

So as a RECAP of what we discussed about the DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS of GOD’S PROPHECY pertaining to His MESSENGERS that he commissioned to Preach His WORDS.

A. God does not mention the NAME of the MESSENGER that he will send in the PROPHECY

B. The MISSION and TASKS assigned to the MESSENGER were the ones being described in the PROPHECY.

C. God’s prophecies for His MESSENGERS can only be fulfilled to a particular person that was prophesied, and never to others.

D. Only the person who is the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECY can explain the TRUE MEANING of the PROPHECY pertaining to him, and declare that he is the FULFILLMENT.


So it is clear now the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of God, they must speak according to the LAW and TESTIMONY. 

When they preach they speak not based from their THOUGHTS, IDEAS, OPINIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, and SPECULATIONS, but from the pure WORDS of GOD written in the BIBLE. They let the Bible speak for them instead of speaking from their own words.

They have the PROPHECY from the Bible as a PROOF of their AUTHORITY as a MESSENGER of GOD to PREACH His Words to the people. They have a LICENSE TO TEACH and that is the PROPHECY of God’s COMMISSION that they are His TRUE MESSENGERS.


The AUTHORITY of Bro. Felix Y. Manalo as a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.

Very similar to the EXAMPLES that we have shown which fulfilled the IDENTIFYING MARKS as mentioned in Isaiah 8:20 to be considered as a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, is our Bro. Felix Y. Manalo. 

He Speaks according to the LAW: He never taught any doctrines in the INC based on his own IDEAS, THOUGHTS, SPECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS. People who witnessed him when he was still alive how he answer questions every time he was asked. He directly get his answers from the Bible and not from his own words. He does not tell lengthy stories and good provoking speeches just to convince people. What he upholds is the TRUTH written in the Bible, whether the people accept them or not. That’s why many people during the time when he was still alive hated him, for he does not hesitate to prove other religions wrong, and no one can defeat him, for his strong weapon is the written words of the Bible.

He Speaks according to the TESTIMONY:  Similar to Apostle Paul, John the Baptist, our Lord Jesus Christ, Bro. Felix Y. Manalo’s authority as the LAST MESSENGER of GOD was prophesied by the Bible, also from the Book of the prophet ISAIAH:

Isaiah 46:11  “Calling a RAVENOUS BIRD FROM THE EAST, THE MAN THAT EXECUTETH MY COUNSEL FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.” [KJV]

Isaiah 41:9-10  “THOU WHOM I HAVE TAKEN HOLD OF FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND CALLED THEE FROM THE CORNERS THEREOF, AND SAID UNTO THEE, THOU ART MY SERVANT, I HAVE CHOSEN THEE AND NOT CAST THEE AWAY; Fear thou not, for I am with thee; be not dismayed, for I AM THY GOD: I WILL STRENGTHEN THEE; YEA, I WILL HELP THEE; YEA, I WILL UPHOLD THEE WITH THE RIGHT HAND OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS.” [RV]

Isaiah 43: 5 “From the FAR EAST will I bring your offspring, and from the FAR WEST I will gather you.” [Moffat Version]

These prophecies were fulfilled in the person of BRO. FELIX Y. MANALO which I promised to discuss these in complete detail in my next thread.  He is the only one who were able to explain in full detail the TRUE MEANING of these prophecies, and NO ONE UNTIL THIS DAY THAT CAN PROVE THAT HE IS NOT THE FULFILLMENT OF THESE PROPHECIES.

So I challenge all of the INC’s DETRACTORS to respond. For our detractors only can say that BRO. FELIX Y. MANALO is not the fulfillment, but they cannot prove to us who is the PROPHECY’S TRUE FULFILLMENT in complete detail so that they can prove that it is not Bro. Felix Manalo, they were just guessing and often their interpretations of the said verses were confusing and contradicting.

This is the PROOF of Bro. Felix Manalo’s authority to preach the TRUE WORDS of GOD, for he is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.  For he possess the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a real messenger.



Since Eric you boastfully saying that your GOD [Definitely not my God] had opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS and revealed to you His UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH, Answer Bro. Christian’s questions:

“The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.

If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?”


This thread is created for you to respond…

Monday 14 November 2011

Is There Such Thing as an Eternal Church?




As far as I know there are TWO that I knew so well, that believed that there is such thing as an “ETERNAL CHURCH”, number one is the CATHOLIC CHURCH:

The CATHOLICS believed that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the ETERNAL CHURCH.

“Here we have it, then. Everything is clear at last. The only priests acceptable to the Vatican are priests prepared to make an act of "genuine fidelity to the Conciliar Church." It is, therefore, not traditionalists who are making a distinction between THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE ETERNAL CHURCH, and the Church of Vatican II. This distinction is made by an official spokesman for the Conciliar Church. Since the seminarians at Econe have already promised their fidelity to the Catholic Church they cannot transfer it to the Conciliar Church.”

And secondly our Blog’s number one FAN and ever loyal – ERIC from TORONTO, CANADA:

He said:

“The CHURCH is ALL that GOD ELECTS and its the ETERNAL EXTERNAL CHURCH comprised of ALL of the ELECT”

The Catholic Church and Eric share the same belief that there is an existing ETERNAL CHURCH, and that this church was NEVER APOSTATIZED, for it is the church established by Christ in the FIRST CENTURY, though they may differ in some point:

for the CATHOLIC CHURCH believed that the ETERNAL CHURCH is the CATHOLIC CHURCH,

for Eric, the ETERNAL CHURCH is not an EARTHLY CHURCH but a CHURCH  continuously to exist in HEAVEN and those GOD’S ELECTED people were its members, so for him it is not an EARTHLY ORGANIZATION, anyone can be a member if God chose him or she to be a member, regardless of what they believed and what were their religion.

But the COMMON DENOMINATOR between the TWO is CLEAR, the CHURCH that was established by CHRIST never APOSTATIZED, for it is an ETERNAL CHURCH.

Here is now a BIG QUESTION…

Is there such thing as an ETERNAL CHURCH?

Was this phrase ever existed in the pages of the Holy Scriptures? Or let’s say we accept it that the phrase does not exist because it really doesn’t, but does any verse in the Bible at least can give us an idea that an ETERNAL CHURCH really does exist?

Does the Church Jesus Christ built in the First Century [33 A.D.] continued and really never was apostatized as what they believed? Can we really described that Church as ETERNAL?

What do you mean by the word ETERNAL?

Let us read from a dictionary:

ETER'NAL, adj. “Without beginning or end of existence.” [Webster’s 1828 Dictionary]

Very clear is the meaning of the dictionary regarding the word “ETERNAL” it means WITHOUT BEGINNING OR END OF EXISTENCE.

So in order for us to prove that there is an ETERNAL CHURCH we must prove first that the CHURCH of CHRIST mentioned in the Bible have NO BEGINNING and no END, if the Church passed these criterias then that’s the time we can conclude that there is really an existing ETERNAL CHURCH


Does the Church mentioned in the Bible have no beginning?

Let us read:

Matthew 16:18  “And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” [American Standard Version]

So the first criteria to be identified as ETERNAL which means NO BEGINNING is not applicable to the CHURCH, because the CHURCH only existed right after it was built by Jesus Christ in the First Century. There is no Historical Record that a CHURCH ever existed prior to the time that it was built by Jesus in 33 A.D.

Can anyone prove that there is a Church existed before the time of Jesus? Go on Eric, and the Catholic Church is also welcome to respond.

Does the church really existed after it was built? A testimony from Jesus himself proved this:

Matthew 18:17  “And if he refuse to hear them, TELL IT UNTO THE CHURCH: and if he refuse to hear THE CHURCH also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.” [ASV]

See in Matthew 16:18, Christ built the Church, and in Matthew 18:17, Christ had proven that the Church that he built really does exist, by saying “TELL IT UNTO THE CHURCH”…a clear proof that there is an existing Church, otherwise he would not be saying that, would he?

It’s quite clear that the first criteria to be identified as ETERNAL which says “NO BEGINNING”, is not applicable to the Church, for the Bible proved that it has a beginning – it was built by Christ in 33 A.D. in Jerusalem, and prior to that it does not exist.

Let us now try to examine if the Church will pass the second criteria to be called “ETERNAL” – NO END…

Does the Church built by Christ have no ending?

First thing to do, is to know what is the Church mentioned in the Bible?

Apostle Paul has this to say:

Ephesians 1:23  “THE CHURCH IS CHRIST'S BODY and completes him as he fills everything in every way.” [God’s Word Bible]

Apostle Paul said that the Church is the BODY OF CHRIST, was the Church the literal body of Christ that was nailed and shed blood on the Cross? Of course not, for this is just a METHAPOR, because the CHURCH is just likened to Christ’s body.

Then who are the Church or the Body of Christ?

Apostle Paul will again reply to us:

1 Corinthians 12:27  “NOW YE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, AND MEMBERS IN PARTICULAR.”

1 Corinthians 12:28  “And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”  [King James Version]

The BODY which is also the CHURCH are the MEMBERS in particular. The CHURCH pertains to the MEMBERS for they are the BODY of Jesus Christ.

Since the CHURCH is the MEMBERS, were they ETERNAL? Do they have NO ENDING of EXISTENCE?

Well unless someone can prove to us that the MEMBERS were IMMORTALS, then go ahead…

Remember we’re talking about the FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS here, the ORIGINAL MEMBERS of the  CHURCH or the BODY of CHRIST that is mentioned in the Bible.

Were they ETERNAL? Do they not have an ENDING? Remember the first to have became members of this Church were the APOSTLES, weren’t they ALL DEAD?

Can someone proved that up to this moment there were still among the ORIGINAL MEMBERS of the FIRST CENTURY CHURCH that are still alive?

Why we are asking this question? Because they said that the CHURCH built by CHRIST is an ETERNAL CHURCH, and in order to be considered as an ETERNAL CHURCH we must be able to prove that this CHURCH have NO BEGINNING and NO END OF EXISTENCE.

So if the MEMBERS of the BODY OF CHRIST which is the CHURCH OF CHRIST really has an ETERNAL EXISTENCE, where they are now? Can anyone tell us?

The UNDENIABLE FACT: 

ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH OF CHRIST WHICH INCLUDE THE APOSTLES WERE CENTURIES DEAD ALREADY.

Can anyone object?

So there is no such thing as an ETERNAL CHURH, for the Church in the Bible HAVE A BEGINNING and HAVE AN ENDING of  its EXISTENCE. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no way you can describe or call the Church ETERNAL…

For ETERNAL also means “FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING” as the ETERNAL GOD.  And that is not the Church for it has a BEGINNING and an END...

There goes your ETERNAL CHURCH DOCTRINE Eric, goes directly down the drain…..


Does Jesus Christ really promised that the Church that he built will never Apostatized nor Perished?

But the CATHOLIC CHURCH will surely raise an eyebrow, and will say

“JESUS CHRIST have a promise that the CHURCH that he built will never PERISHED nor APOSTATIZED…and that is the CATHOLIC CHURCH, the ETERNAL CHURCH, since it’s still exists until today.”

And of course to prove that, they will use the Bible, and their favorite VERSE [Even Eric is using this VERSE] is  Matthew 16:18 of which says:

Matthew 16:18  “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” [Douay Rheims Version]

They said this is the promise of JESUS that his Church will never be APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED.

But does the VERSE actually said that? Try it folks read it over and over. Does that VERSE said that the CHURCH will never APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED?

What is meant by that VERSE as the GATES of HELL, what do that REPRESENT, does the GATES OF HELL also means APOSTASY?

Let us read the same VERSE from another version of the Bible:

Matthew 16:18  “So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The POWER OF DEATH will not be able to defeat my church.” [Easy to Read Version]

So it is clear that the GATES OF HELL stands for the POWER OF DEATH. But which kind of DEATH that is being referred to by Jesus Christ that will not prevail against his Church?  Does this mean that the members or the Body of Christ will never die?

Because if the meaning of that passage is that the MEMBERS of CHRIST’S BODY or CHURCH will never die, so where they are now? Where are the APOSTLES and the FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS now, if they were still alive?

So it is quite clear and without doubt that Jesus was not referring to the DEATH which occurs when a person ENDS his BREATHING, but for the SECOND DEATH in the LAKE OF FIRE

Revelations 21:8  “But cowardly, unfaithful, and detestable people, murderers, sexual sinners, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH."  [GWB]

So Jesus is promising in Matthew 16:18 SALVATION to the Church, that the POWER of the SECOND DEATH in the LAKE of FIRE will not prevail against them,

in simple words:

the MEMBERS of his CHURCH will not go to HELL, because he will save them”

That is really what that VERSE means.

And it’s indeed TRUE, that Jesus will save his CHURCH as Apostle Paul clearly testifies:

Ephesians 5:23  For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY.” [Good News Bible]

So Matthew 16:18 is not a promise that his Church will never PERISHED nor APOSTATIZED but the promise of SALVATION in JUDGMENT DAY…

He promised even the members DIED he will resurrect them:

John 11:25  “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, THOUGH HE DIE, YET SHALL HE LIVE;” [ASV]

We have clearly proven that the CHURCH that is mentioned in the Bible is not an ETERNAL CHURCH for IT HAS A BEGINNING, it was built by Christ in the FIRST CENTURY in JERUSALEM, and it has an ENDING for it’s ORIGINAL MEMBERS were all DEAD…

The NEXT POST will prove more that this Church has an ENDING for it’s TRUE MEMBERS had CEASED TO EXIST after the Death of the Apostles.

Also in My NEXT POST we will explain, what is the meaning of the word APOSTASY? Does the Church built by Christ never really was APOSTATIZED nor PERISHED?

What will happen to the people who lived to the period between 110A.D. to 1914A.D. The time where there was no TRUE CHURCH existed, and no TRUE TEACHINGS for there were no TRUE MESSENGERS from GOD, how they will be saved? 

Does the membership of the Church in order to be saved also required or applicable to those people that had lived in that specific period of time?

We will answer all of these in our NEXT POST…

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