Thursday, 18 May 2017

Hindi kay Jesus tumutukoy ang sinabi ni Tomas na "MY GOD" sa JUAN 20:28

Malaki ang posibilidad na HINDI SI CRISTO talaga ang TINUKOY ni TOMAS nang sabihin niya ang salitang "MY GOD" o "DIOS KO" sa JUAN 20:28...




Dahil ang sinabi ni THOMAS sa GREEK ay:


“ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου”

"HO KURIOS MOU KAI HO THEOS MOU"

Ang sinabi ni TOMAS ay "HO THEOS" [ ο θεος ]

Eh kanino ba tumutukoy ang "THEOS" [ θεος ] kapag may nakakabit na DEFINITE ARTICLE na "HO" [ο ]???

Sabi sa Strong Concordance:

"Strongs# 02316: theos: a deity, figuratively, a magistrate. Especially (when used with #3588, the definite article "Ho"): the supreme Divinity; by Hebraism, very God [Almighty God, YHVH the Father of Jesus.]"

Maliwanag ang sabi ni STRONG na kapag ang "THEOS" ay may kasamang DEFINITE ARTICLE na "HO" at ang bigkas ay "HO THEOS", ito ay tumutukoy sa "ALMIGHTY GOD, YHVH the FATHER OF JESUS."

At malinaw din na pinatutunayan ng mga aklat na ito na ang “HO THEOS” ay tumutukoy sa AMA:

‘IN MANY INSTANCES when the def. art. HO occurs before THEOS, God, PARTICULAR REFERENCE IS MADE TO GOD THE FATHER (Zodhiates, Spiros, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament, AMG Publishers, Chattanooga, TN (1992), p. 730).”

"God" in Greek "HO THEOS", ALWAYS MEANS THAT FATHER WHOM JESUS REVEALED, identical with the "HO THEOS" of the Old Testament, YAHWEH." [The Power and Wisdom: An Interpretation of the New Testament, by John L. McKenzie, page 133].


Malinaw na hindi talaga kay JESUS tumutukoy ang sinabi ni TOMAS na..."MY GOD" [ο θεος μου - "HO THEOS MOU", kaya hindi siya SINAWAY ni JESUS sa tagpong iyon, dahil alam ni Jesus na hindi para sa kaniya ang sinabi ni Tomas na “MY GOD” o "DIYOS KO".

40 comments:

  1. pwede poh ba pakibigyan ng paLiwanag yung GENESIS 21:20

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  2. The presence of conjunction "and" in John 20:28 proved that it was Jesus that Thomas was referring to.

    so it's like "and ganda mo at sexy pa"
    can u say the later description referred to other person? No!

    we always use "and" when u want to add something to describe to please the person. unless they omitted it then it would make a difference from my claim.
    surely ur confusing this simple wording of Thomas.

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    1. There were so many passages that Jesus was referred to as God or son of God. u can't say God begets man or a spirit begets human.
      there are some instances that it happened like what he did to Adam when he was called the son of God. Because he was created by God and therefore the son of God.

      However, Jesus was called the son of God thru baptism.
      the perfect description must be "the begotten son of God" which mean he was a distinctive born of God thru the holy spirit.
      he was formed inside the womb thru the sperm in the form of the Holy spirit which make him a unique kind. because it came from God's sperm then it's understood that God begot Jesus.
      All of us are sons of God in a physical form, But only those will be called spiritual sons of God if u r guided by the holy spirit.

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  3. See this form of sentence in the bible?

    John 20:28
    New International Version (NIV)

    28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

    Thomas said his word in reference to only one man which states as "My Lord AND My God"

    Thomas must have read this when he state his word.

    Isaiah 9:6
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    whatever the result of this discussion it turned out that Jesus was and is God at the end.

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  4. However, Mr. Lim John we can also state senteces of two or more subjects. The subjects in the verse are the two, The God and The Lord.

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  5. Marjun, u need to enhance ur bible study more. There were no two subjects there when he faced the person of interest. Try.

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  6. Thomas said TO HIM: Who? Of course, it was Jesus and nothing more.
    What did Thomas say after touch? He said in reference of him, MY Lord AND My God.
    it's clear and u don't have to argue more than we read.

    so it's like, "Ang Gwapo mo at ang Macho pa"
    this is how we use "and" in the sentence.
    He wasn't surprise. because he stayed there long before he initiate the examine.

    how could the iglesya added it when it mentioned nothing?

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  7. The pronoun "My God" made Thomas'sentence more accurate in reference to Jesus.

    If he claimed his "My God" in reference to God the father.
    then the bible scribblers should have explained the usage of "My God" with consistency instead of writing "Our God" which is more respectful and accurate to apply.

    Have u been using "My God" in the midst of ur Brothers and sisters? No, Of course not! it would be impractical & insensible for the rest.
    "Our God" is more accurate!

    -end discussion.

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  8. ["God" in Greek "HO THEOS", ALWAYS MEANS THAT FATHER WHOM JESUS REVEALED, identical with the "HO THEOS" of the Old Testament, YAHWEH." [The Power and Wisdom: An Interpretation of the New Testament, by John L. McKenzie, page 133]

    Of course! God is the Father and the head of the family. Why? Because he is the creator of all things. Creation made himself a Father of all things.

    Yet we read that it was Jesus, created all things under the administration of God.

    is there a conflict of interest between the Father? No!
    if we read Isaiah 9:6 of what it says the description of the son.
    "For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

    he was called the Son and later the Father accordingly.

    again, is there a conflict of interest in between ?

    u see, Being a Father in heaven defines a position as a creator. it's an office assumed by one member of God.

    They are plural in form but singular in usage. John explained that there were Two member of God. i can not say "Gods" since this is the way a collective group used in a grammatical structure.
    Both Jesus and the other member belonged to the group called God.
    The Genesis tells that God created the world, but in the New testament it was Jesus who created. so if we analyze the whole concept it appears that Jesus had been God all along in the past. He was called the Father and later the son. it's an office where everyone can assume.

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    1. Its some versions that call Jesus the Creator, however, they are wrong. Rather John 1:3 should say "All things were created through or in Christ." not by Christ. Notice what Ephesians 2:10 says: " For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life."
      Notice we are God the Father's workmanship, or created by God the Father, in Christ, not by Christ. The problem is that many bibles are Translated based on the False doctrine of the Trinity which came out of Babylon. This why most people can no decipher the difference between the LORD GOD, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
      But God has given us as example both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, and that is the example of God Almighty-the DELIVERER, and Moses-The Deliver. Although they are both called a Deliverer, we know who actually saved the Israelite's. Acts 7:37-37 which is symbolically speaking about Jesus. 'The God of your forefathers will raise up a prophet (Jesus) like me (Moses) you must listen to him.
      Moses was not GOD Almighty, nor did Moses become God Almighty. The same applies to Jesus. God Almighty is called THE SAVIOR (1 Tim 1:1), Jesus is also called a Savior (2 Tim 1:10). God Almighty THE SAVIOR Sacrificed his only begotten Son to save us from the sin of Adam. So we have a Master Savior (The Master of the Plan), and a Sacrificial Savior (who willingly followed the plan). The relationship between God Almighty and Moses is the Same between God Almighty and Jesus, they both were Sons of God, and both doing the will of God Almighty.

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    2. ["All things were created through or in Christ." not by Christ?]

      True! Jesus was with the father when he created the heavens and earth.
      the process of creation in fact is understood a family business. the father as a planner is the one who authorize and Jesus is the executioner.

      Gen 1:26 defines that the creation was actually a begettal process, like feeding a child in a womb. this is the way they do it.

      the definition of God if we employed the Gen 2:24 is parents composed of a Father and a Mother.

      with the process of begetting a child, It's therefore conclude that God is expanding his own kind, a family of God.

      yes, Jesus is God. the word God's Kingdom can be translated as God's family.

      pls see ur dictionary about the meaning of kingdom

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    3. (John 1:3 should say "All things were created through or in Christ.")

      Why is it so hard for u to understand this context?

      Have u read Jn 10:30 that says, I and the father are one?

      He never said two but one.

      The definition of one or oneness can be interpreted by employing Gen 2:24 that says,
      24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

      Two became one according to Moses.
      But to surprise u, Adam as a man had a one set of parents just as a normal family. Since Adam was called the son of God, we're not surprised to read about it of having parents in the form of God and of course, the human too was created after the likeness of God, not in the likeness of man.

      So it's normal for him to call God his parents. it's the same way Adam is called the son of God

      So how could Adam be called the son of God if there was only one and individual God?

      in order to beget a son there has to be a one set of parents, right? could u prove it in the Genesis book how did adam become the son of the living God?

      sure, u can't prove it since there was nothing there except the Gen 2:24 that states:

      Genesis 2:24
      New International Version (NIV)
      24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

      if we ignore this passage then being a son of God is just a word that has no meaning.

      however, God doesn't play with his own words. he speaks and he fulfills based on truth.

      yes, Creation identifies the creator. But who is the creator?

      In Genesis 1:26 states:
      “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.

      the pronoun "us" and "our" betrays the number of involve in the creation. both are in plural form and no doubt the creator is itself a more than one creator.

      so many religions have tried to explain of who is really with God in the creation time?

      John 1:1 states:
      and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      it's plain that God has a coexistence partner and probably a close relative bearing the same surname "God" so if God's full name is John God, then his relative must be Paul God. this is how we simplify those words in a plain and logical meaning.

      here, the meaning of God in Hebrew is Elohim and not Eloha.

      Moses had so many times been contemplating of writing with precision before he wrote down the word "Elohim" to fit exactly to the plural nouns he employed in writing.

      So why didn't he use "Eloha" if it's a singular God in the first place?
      this is a knock out punch question for people who believed in one God.

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    4. Lastly, how can we prove Adam that he was born the son of God in Genesis book? or something he came from the begettal process to prove of his sonship?

      Let's analyze the exact wording in Gen 1:26 that states:
      Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.

      According to Genesis 2:24, man has a set of parents before he unites with his wife.

      so if a man's parents is God then it's understood that the composition of God must be a Father and a Mother.

      ex. God = Father and Mother or Elohim = Eloha + Eloha

      To resolve this problem we can now replace the word "God" in Genesis 1:26.

      let's try.
      Then [ the Father said to the Mother] , “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.

      how do u understand the statement? it's a romantic statement requires for a loving couple who wants to have a child. it's actually a love statement like in the modern fashion of saying to ur wife, "let's share this night together.."

      it can liken into a song, "Always"

      ....Come with me my sweet,
      Let's go make a family,.....
      .....And they will bring us joy, for always

      who is the mother then in Gen 2:24?

      the mother in genesis 2:24 doesn't require a female to do the role of a mother.

      sometime a Father can assume the role of a mother to fill the vacant slot n a family.

      we read in Jn 1:1 that the phrase "word was God" refers to Jesus Christ.
      he has a multiple character assumption in the bible.

      he was called a teacher, a priest, a gardener, a carpenter, the father and the son of God.

      the Church is the body of Christ but also presumed as a woman.

      little did we know that Jesus assumed the role of a mother in Genesis 2:24.

      this is one of the new discoveries so far I found in reading the bible.

      so it's more of a breakthrough in finding Jesus whose role is a lot of bigger than what we have though to have learned from these religions of the world.

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    5. So it's wrong to say that our first parents is Adam and eve.
      it's not biblical. Our first parents is God just like what Jesus said,

      "And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven"

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  12. The context of Thomas saying 'My Lord and my God' does not supersede Jesus words @ John 17:20 where Jesus call the the Father his GOD! And besides we don't get our theology from a doubting Thomas, doubting that Jesus was resurrected until he see and feel Jesus wounds. Thomas was not doubting whether or not Jesus is the Son of God or God! Thomas was doubting whether or not Jesus has been resurrected! Understand the context.
    Now lets go up in heaven and prove once and for all who is GOD Almighty, and who is not. Revelation 1:1 "A revelation by Jesus, WHICH GOD (THE FATHER) gave him (Jesus). Why is God the Father giving Jesus the revelation or scroll if Jesus is GOD Almighty? If Jesus is God Almighty, no one should be revealing or giving Jesus anything!
    2.Please Read Revelation 5:1-7. Now ask your yourself, why is Jesus (The symbolic Lamb-John 1:29) taking the book or scroll of Revelation OUT OF THE RIGHT HAND OF THE ONE that sits on the Supreme Throne?(GOD THE FATHER). That's two separate beings up there in Heaven. Further proof that Jesus is not GOD Almighty. Keep in mind that Jesus received the Scroll in Heaven, not on earth. (So you Trinity people can't use the excuse that Jesus was not fully God until he goes back to heaven).
    The Father wrote the scroll of revelation (The Father tells Jesus how it will end) and revealed it to Jesus. Jesus did not write the scroll, therefore Since God the Father wrote and reveal the scroll To Jesus, then Jesus is not GOD ALMIGHTY!

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    8. The context of Thomas saying 'My Lord and my God' does not supersede Jesus words]

      of course. it was the Iglesya ni Manalo and its ministers superseded the word of Thomas by employing their own interpretations or so.

      Thomas was not confused when he met Jesus in person.
      he touched Jesus and convinced it wasn't a ghost.

      if the uttered word "My God" refers to God alone, then how selfish he would have been in the midst of his brothers.

      the appropriate description must be "Our God" since Jesus claimed his father as his God.

      Jn 20:17 ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

      ex. To my Father and your father means our father, to my God and your God means Our God.

      this is the rule of the bible and not in any other way around.


      so it's definitely wrong to say that Thomas invoke the name of God the father in the presents of Jesus. in fact, He called Jesus, God as a support to what Jesus said.

      Jn 20:26 ...Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

      Luke 24:39
      39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

      it might be that Thomas was convinced it was Jesus when as a human entered through the door without unlocking it to open. he possessed the power to become a spirit and a human just like the characteristic of the three angels in the Sodom and Gomorah when they met Abraham.

      how dare u added words to his mouth.

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    9. What are the qualities of the three angels in the time of Abraham?

      Genesis 18:
      2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby.

      8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

      22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.

      Genesis 19:1
      19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city.

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    10. Is it three men? Or three angels?

      Gen 18:2, Abraham saw three men.
      Gen 18:22, the two men went to Sodom, while the other one man stayed with Abraham.

      So 3 - 1 = 2 men.

      Gen 19:1, two angels arrived in Sodom.

      Commentary:

      the two men of Gen 18:22 who went to Sodom are two angels of the Gen 19:1 as the two arrived and ate with Lot.

      So angels could have the abilities to be transformed into human beings, a kind of human who can eat food with another human being like what they did to Abraham.

      Their qualities are not far from the qualities of Jesus when he met & ate with Thomas and the rest of the disciples.

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    11. (So you Trinity people can't use the excuse that Jesus was not fully God until he goes back to heaven)

      Ur mistaken about me. I'd never been a born Catholic nor a worshipper of their art, dolls and cadavers; who teaches about a three head god; who always crucifies their Christ every Sunday; who claimed they possessed a key to heaven.

      These are the kind who lust after the material things. They invested more time in politics rather than in their spiritual duty.

      I believe in God in a way as our parents which composed of a father and a mother; whose goal is to expand a family of God through the human being.

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    13. that's why the human was created after God's likeness and not in the likeness of man.
      So it's biblical to say that human can be described as a God or a God's son but only in the flesh.

      We don't need to go further beyond to this point. He'd already been revealed as a parent to humankind.

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