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| Jesus Christ while reading the Book of Isaiah where the PROPHECY as a PROOF of his AUTHORITY as a MESSENGER OF GOD is written |
A thread response to our Blog’s No. 1 Fan, ERIC from Toronto, Canada
I am right by saying this to you ERIC:
"I know you ERIC, if you cannot prove something TRUE, or you cannot REFUTE what I’ve just proven to be TRUE, your LAME EXCUSE and ESCAPE…
That’s MOOT! That’s LAME!"
Bro. Christian asked you this:
“The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.
If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?”
Look at what you answered to him:
"The RAVENOPUS bird and FAR EAST referring to PHILLIPINES is once again a MOOT POINT to argue as the MEASURE of s GOD-sent MESSENGER is if HE is TRUE TO THE WORD of GOPD".
The RAVENOUS BIRD and the FAR EAST referring to the PHILIPPINES is a MOOT POINT to argue…according to you, and it is not a MEASURE of GOD sent MESSENGER if he is true to the Word of God. So to you (of course from your OPINION and SPECULATIONS as usual) having a PROPHECY in the Bible that pertains to a particular person, is not a MARK of IDENTIFICATION of being a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.
Because you cannot REFUTE that's why it is a MOOT POINT, so there is no doubt that I really knew you well ha. Hehehehehe, that’s not unusual for you Eric. You always have an alibi for your IGNORANCE…
Don’t you think, if God really opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS to His TRUTH and MYSTERIES. (Like you said your GOD not my GOD had done to you). Don't you think you will not be able to DECIPHER the meaning of that PROPHECY and answer the question?
In fact you said this to Sis. Catherine:
“…God only REVEALS the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC truth to those HE decides to OPEN their SPIRITUAL eyes and ears.”
According to your SPECULATIONS again, God had opened you SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS (was there a SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS written in the Bible? Hehehehehe? Just asking.), so it means he revealed to you the meaning of his Mysteries and Symbolical statements, right? So there is no reason for you to avoid that question for it is clear what is meant in Isaiah 46:11 is SYMBOLICAL.
But because you cannot respond to that question and it is quite clear that you’re just using again an ALIBI to escape from it. It would clearly appear then that your statement that I quoted above is just a mere BLUF or in worst case, a LIE.
It is quite clear that the TRUE REASON is you cannot REFUTE nor DISPROVE Bro. Felix Manalo being the RAVENOUS BIRD as mentioned in that PROPHECY. And of course you cannot prove that the Philippines is not the country mentioned in that prophecy as the place where the RAVENOUS BIRD would came from.
And you do not know that actually having a PROPHECY that pertains to the person being SENT BY GOD as His MESSENGER that is written in the Bible is really one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.
Let us open our Bible and let us get the answers from there, for we are not Eric.
How do we identify the TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD?
This is written in the Bible, and I firmly believe that you do not know this Eric:
Isaiah 8:20 “To the LAW and to the TESTIMONY: if they speak not according to this word, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.” [KJV]
The IDENTIFYING MARKS given by the Bible to be able for us to know and identify who are the TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD are TWO:
1: They speak according to the LAW
2: They speak according to the TESTIMONY
According to that verse if they will not speak according to this word: “THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM”.
LIGHT stands for the TRUTH, therefore if a person who come to us and tell us that he is a MESSENGER of GOD, these are the TWO things to consider, and the IDENTIFYING MARKS that will prove to us that he is indeed a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD. If he does not possess these TWO IDENTIFYING MARKS then he is not a TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD but a FRAUD or a FALSE MESSENGER.
Speaking according to the LAW
What is the LAW that the TRUE MESSENGERS should speak? Let us again get our answers from the Bible, to avoid making mistakes and contradictions like Eric is doing most of the time:
Psalms 78:1 “Give ear, O my people, to MY LAW: incline your ears to the WORDS OF MY MOUTH.” [KJV]
The TRUE MESSENGER of God must speak according to the LAW which means, what he will speak and preach is the LAW or the WORDS OF GOD as Jesus emphasized:
John 3:34 “THE ONE WHOM GOD HAS SENT SPEAKS GOD'S WORDS, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.” [Good News Bible]
And he will not speak only from his own thoughts:
John 7:16-18 “Jesus responded to them, "WHAT I TEACH DOESN'T COME FROM ME BUT FROM THE ONE WHO SENT ME. Those who want to follow the will of God will know IF WHAT I TEACH IS FROM GOD OR IF I TEACH MY OWN THOUGHTS. THOSE WHO SPEAK THEIR OWN THOUGHTS ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR OWN GLORY. BUT THE MAN WHO WANTS TO BRING GLORY TO THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A TRUE TEACHER AND DOESN'T HAVE DISHONEST MOTIVES.” [God’s Words Bible]
So it is quite clear that the teachings of the TRUE MESSENGER of GOD as this verse say THE TRUE TEACHER, does not come from his own THOUGHTS, not from his own OPINIONS, SPECULATIONS, and ASSUMPTIONS, for what he taught is from the LAW or the WORDS OF GOD written in the Holy Scriptures. All his teachings were all based from the Bible or in other words PURELY BIBLICAL. If you want to give glory to the one who sent you, you will use His words not yours, and that is SPEAKING ACCORDING TO THE LAW means.
Speaking according to the TESTIMONY
Now let us go to the second IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD: “Speaking according to the TESTIMONY”
What is the meaning of TESTIMONY that is mentioned in the book of Isaiah, we’re not going to give our own opinion, we will get our answer straight from the Bible:
Revelations 19:10 “I bowed at his feet to worship him. But he told me, "Don't do that! I am your coworker and a coworker of the Christians who hold on to the TESTIMONY of Jesus. Worship God, because the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!" [GNB]
The Bible gave us a direct answer: TESTIMONY means SPIRIT OF PROHECY. Therefore TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD not only teaches pure WORDS of GOD from the BIBLE, but also posses for themselves the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY…
In other words they were PROPHESIED by the SCRIPTURES, and that is the PROOF of his AUTHORITY as the TRUE TEACHER or PREACHER sent by GOD. There is a PROPHECY written in the Bible that pertains to them as the PROOF or EVIDENCE that GOD has COMMISSIONED them to PREACH his WORDS.
That’s why we can clearly say now, that not all people who have the ability to read and explain the GOSPEL or the WORDS of GOD, for the BIBLE is readily available to anyone, is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD. One must possess BOTH of these IDENTIFYING MARKS in order to be proven to be a TRUE MESSENGERS of GOD. Because no one is allowed to PREACH God’s words unless they are SENT or they are COMMISSIONED by GOD as His MESSENGERS to do this duty, as Apostle Paul scribed in his letter to the Romans:
Romans 10:15 “AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? Just as it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, of those preaching the gospel of good things!" [English Majority Text Version]
This is how we’re going to TEST those who introduce themselves as MESSENGERS of GOD.
Examples of People from the Bible that have a PROPHECY as a PROOF of their AUTHORITY as TRUE MESSENGERS
1: JOHN THE BAPTIST
Let us read the PROPHECY that is pertaining to JOHN THE BAPTIST:
Isaiah 40:3 “The VOICE of one that CRIETH, PREPARE YE IN THE WILDERNESS THE WAY OF THE LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” [Revised Version]
One of the distinguishing characteristics that pertain to a prophecy regarding God’s commissioning of His Messengers is that GOD DOES NOT MENTION THEIR NAMES IN THE PROPHECY. So it is absurd to think and say that we should find the name of the person being prophesied as a proof according to our detractors, that they are really the one being particularly mentioned.
The prophecy will never contain the NAME of the person that was being prophesied, but his MISSION and his DUTIES that he will accomplish were the ones being mentioned and described in the prophecy. Because mentioning the name would result for anyone to easily CLAIM the PROPHECY for himself, and simply say “THAT’S ME, BECAUSE THAT’S MY NAME”.
This will never going to happen, because God only gave the TRUE WISDOM to those people whom he sent the power to interpret the TRUE MEANING of the prophecy pertaining to the particular person whom He commissioned to be His Messengers. In other words, only the fulfillment of the prophecy or the one being prophesied can explain the prophecy’s TRUE MEANING.
And that what exactly happened when the prophecy about JOHN THE BAPTIST was fulfilled:
John 1:19-23 “AND THIS IS THE WITNESS OF JOHN, WHEN THE JEWS SENT UNTO HIM FROM JERUSALEM PRIESTS AND LEVITES TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? And he confessed, and denied not; and he confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou the prophet? And he answered, No. THEY SAID THEREFORE UNTO HIM, WHO ART THOU? THAT WE MAY GIVE AN ANSWER TO THEM THAT SENT US. WHAT SAYEST THOU OF THYSELF? HE SAID, I AM THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD, AS SAID ISAIAH THE PROPHET.” [RV]
As we can see in this event, it was JOHN THE BAPTIST himself who declared and explained that he was the fulfillment or the one being mentioned by the prophecy that was written in the Book of Isaiah [Isaiah 40:3]. And this is the proof of John’s authority as a TRUE MESSENGER of God.
And one thing more, THE PROPHECY PERTAINING TO A PARTICULAR PERSON CAN NEVER BE FULFILLED TO OTHERS EXCEPT THE SPECIFIC PERSON BEING PROPHESIED. The prophecy of God regarding His MESSENGERS have no double fulfillment. The prophecy that pertained to JOHN, can never be fulfilled to anyone except to Him.
Let us get another example:
2: APOSTLE PAUL
Similar to John the Baptist, APOSTLE PAUL was also been prophesied by God in His Scriptures:
Isaiah 49:6 “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” [KJV]
And when the prophecy was fulfilled, it was APOSTLE PAUL himself who explained this:
Acts 13:46-47 “Then PAUL and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. FOR SO HATH THE LORD COMMANDED US, SAYING, I HAVE SET THEE TO BE A LIGHT OF THE GENTILES, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. [KJV]
It is clearly emphasized in these passages that indeed that prophecy is a sign or a proof of Apostle Paul’s genuine authority to preach the word of God, for it is a task which was foretold hundreds of years before his birth as his mission to the Gentiles.
3: the greatest among all MESSENGERS of God, the Lord JESUS CHRIST
Of course he would also have a prophecy as a proof of his authority since no one can deny that JESUS CHRIST is also a MESSENGER of GOD, and he is considered the GREATEST among them. Let us read the prophecy that pertains to him:
Isaiah 61:1-2 “The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; HE HATH SENT ME TO BIND UP THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES, AND THE OPENING OF THE PRISON TO THEM THAT ARE BOUND; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [RV]
As we can see in the PROPHECY never the name of JESUS CHRIST was mentioned, and only His mission and tasks assigned to him by the Lord GOD were described in detail by the prophecy. And when the day that the fulfillment of the prophecy had taken place, similar to the two prophecies that we already shown, it was JESUS himself who explained that the prophecy’s fulfillment was himself.
Luke 4:16-21 “And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and he entered, as HIS CUSTOM WAS, INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, AND STOOD UP TO READ. AND THERE WAS DELIVERED UNTO HIM THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written, THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH GOOD TIDINGS TO THE POOR: HE HATH SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him. AND HE BEGAN TO SAY UNTO THEM, TODAY HATH THIS SCRIPTURE BEEN FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS.” [RV]
JESUS CHRIST himself read the book of Isaiah, go to where the prophecy about him was written, and explained that the prophecy was fulfilled in their ears, meaning they are listening to the person being mentioned in the prophecy as God has anointed to free the captives and to give sight to the blind, etc.
So as a RECAP of what we discussed about the DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS of GOD’S PROPHECY pertaining to His MESSENGERS that he commissioned to Preach His WORDS.
A. God does not mention the NAME of the MESSENGER that he will send in the PROPHECY
B. The MISSION and TASKS assigned to the MESSENGER were the ones being described in the PROPHECY.
C. God’s prophecies for His MESSENGERS can only be fulfilled to a particular person that was prophesied, and never to others.
D. Only the person who is the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECY can explain the TRUE MEANING of the PROPHECY pertaining to him, and declare that he is the FULFILLMENT.
So it is clear now the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a TRUE MESSENGER of God, they must speak according to the LAW and TESTIMONY.
When they preach they speak not based from their THOUGHTS, IDEAS, OPINIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, and SPECULATIONS, but from the pure WORDS of GOD written in the BIBLE. They let the Bible speak for them instead of speaking from their own words.
They have the PROPHECY from the Bible as a PROOF of their AUTHORITY as a MESSENGER of GOD to PREACH His Words to the people. They have a LICENSE TO TEACH and that is the PROPHECY of God’s COMMISSION that they are His TRUE MESSENGERS.
The AUTHORITY of Bro. Felix Y. Manalo as a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD.
Very similar to the EXAMPLES that we have shown which fulfilled the IDENTIFYING MARKS as mentioned in Isaiah 8:20 to be considered as a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, is our Bro. Felix Y. Manalo.
He Speaks according to the LAW: He never taught any doctrines in the INC based on his own IDEAS, THOUGHTS, SPECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS. People who witnessed him when he was still alive how he answer questions every time he was asked. He directly get his answers from the Bible and not from his own words. He does not tell lengthy stories and good provoking speeches just to convince people. What he upholds is the TRUTH written in the Bible, whether the people accept them or not. That’s why many people during the time when he was still alive hated him, for he does not hesitate to prove other religions wrong, and no one can defeat him, for his strong weapon is the written words of the Bible.
He Speaks according to the TESTIMONY: Similar to Apostle Paul, John the Baptist, our Lord Jesus Christ, Bro. Felix Y. Manalo’s authority as the LAST MESSENGER of GOD was prophesied by the Bible, also from the Book of the prophet ISAIAH:
Isaiah 46:11 “Calling a RAVENOUS BIRD FROM THE EAST, THE MAN THAT EXECUTETH MY COUNSEL FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.” [KJV]
Isaiah 41:9-10 “THOU WHOM I HAVE TAKEN HOLD OF FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND CALLED THEE FROM THE CORNERS THEREOF, AND SAID UNTO THEE, THOU ART MY SERVANT, I HAVE CHOSEN THEE AND NOT CAST THEE AWAY; Fear thou not, for I am with thee; be not dismayed, for I AM THY GOD: I WILL STRENGTHEN THEE; YEA, I WILL HELP THEE; YEA, I WILL UPHOLD THEE WITH THE RIGHT HAND OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS.” [RV]
Isaiah 43: 5 “From the FAR EAST will I bring your offspring, and from the FAR WEST I will gather you.” [Moffat Version]
These prophecies were fulfilled in the person of BRO. FELIX Y. MANALO which I promised to discuss these in complete detail in my next thread. He is the only one who were able to explain in full detail the TRUE MEANING of these prophecies, and NO ONE UNTIL THIS DAY THAT CAN PROVE THAT HE IS NOT THE FULFILLMENT OF THESE PROPHECIES.
So I challenge all of the INC’s DETRACTORS to respond. For our detractors only can say that BRO. FELIX Y. MANALO is not the fulfillment, but they cannot prove to us who is the PROPHECY’S TRUE FULFILLMENT in complete detail so that they can prove that it is not Bro. Felix Manalo, they were just guessing and often their interpretations of the said verses were confusing and contradicting.
This is the PROOF of Bro. Felix Manalo’s authority to preach the TRUE WORDS of GOD, for he is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD. For he possess the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a real messenger.
Since Eric you boastfully saying that your GOD [Definitely not my God] had opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS and revealed to you His UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH, Answer Bro. Christian’s questions:
“The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.
If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?”
This thread is created for you to respond…
AErial
ReplyDeleteTHE PROOF that one is a MESSENGERB or NOT is IF the DOCTRINES of the CHURCH he established is in TOTAL CONGRUANCE with the BIBLE
INC has many FALSE doctrines and has a MAN-made SALVATION plan that came out of the MIND of FELIX
Thats the GOLD STANDARD.. the BIBLE
I say those are MOOT POINTS because we look ONLY to the BIBle for the ANSWERS as to WHETHER one is a TRUE MESSENGER of the WORD of GOD.
INC is FALSE as it is NOT in line with the BIBLE.
INC can ASSUME and THINK and PERCEIVE and BE DUPED and CONNED that FELIX is a TRUE MESSENGER.
BUT the PROOF is in the PUDDING
INC has FALSE doctrines
1. WATER baptism ABSOLVES SIN
2. WATER BAPTISM is a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
3. ONLY the PEOPLE in a church named CHURCH of CHRIST are the BODY of JESUS
4. The age of ACCOUNTABILITY or SUPPOSED age where one has the MENTAL mindset to UNDERSTAND the WORD of GOD is 12
5. FAITH IN JESUS instead of FAITH OF JESUS is whats needed to be of the BODY
6. If INC doesnt REACH a person or group or town BEFORE they DIE, they are DOOMED for LAKE of FIRE
7. INC beyond a SHADOW of a DOUBT Knows if someone is SAVED or NOT by the MERE FACT whether or NOT they are a MEMBER of THEIR CHURCH
8. ONLY cite a Bible VERSION LAMSA because of one MIS QOUTED verse and IGNORE the REST of His bible and how he was a HERETIC
9. Asking BRETHREN to SNITCH or RAT on a fellow brethren when said brother is applying for an officers position.
10 CLEARLY IGNORE that God gave humans a BODY that is a TEMPLE and that INC ignores this when NOT admonishing their congregation as to the SIN of SMOKING
The list goes on and on!!!
AERIAL these are the MEASURING sticks one uses to DETERMINE if a person is a TRUE MESSENGER from GOD
There is NO NEED to SPECULATE or ASSUME or HOPE that the verses cited by INC is referring to felix or not
I DONT NEED to ADDRESS these as I ALREADY have the PROOF FELIX is a FALSE PROPHET!!!
you probably research the what's and forgot to research the why's. 'cause really, as i was reading your list of doctrines that you regard as not Biblical within the INC, i pity you. you only know what it is that's visible. if you research the what's, don't explain them on your own why's.
DeleteBro. Felix Y. Manalo as a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD based on the PROPHECIES mentioned by the THREAD posted by Bro. Aerial, and that what you supposed to be REFUTING.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're doing is just saying that INC's teaching are FALSE and your basis were your FALSE ACCUSATION to the INC and your FALSE INTERPRETATION of the Bible.
The Bible had given the IDENTIFYING MARKS, to prove if a person is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD:
Isaiah 8:20 “To the LAW and to the TESTIMONY: if they speak not according to this word, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.” [KJV]
1. Speaking according to the LAW
2. Speaking according to the TESTIMONY or SPIRIT of PROPHECY
If the one had taught you is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD, why don’t you use that characteristics given by the Bible and relate that to prove your mentor as a TRUE MESSENGER.
Ok, let’s skip the part “SPEAKING ACCORDING TO THE LAW, because you will surely insist that what he taught you is all written in the Bible, I know. But does he have a prophecy from the Bible that specifically pertains to Him as a proof that he is a TRUE MESSENGER of GOD?
You need to have both remember that.
On the other hand, you need to prove that the belief of the INC regarding Bro. Felix as the RAVENOUS BIRD from a FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST [MIZRACH] you need to prove FALSE by telling us who is the TRUE FULFILLMENT of the prophecy.
You said your God [ definitely not our God ] has opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and revealed to you His UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH.
So stop avoiding this question and reveal to us the TRUE MEANING of ISAIAH 46:11..
Because if you cannot answer the question it would appear then that both you and your God were a GRAVE LIAR…
Eric, You said these were FALSE DOCTRINES, based on what your ASSUMPTIONS?
ReplyDelete1. WATER baptism ABSOLVES SIN
Just when did the INC taught that the WATER BAPTISM is actually the one absolving our sins. Quote an official INC document like PASUGO on this to make this accusation of yours valid.
2. WATER BAPTISM is a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
You need to enter Christ through the fold or flock [John 10:9], you need to accept and believe in the word of God and be baptized [Mark 16:15-16] then you will be part of Christ’s body upon baptism [1 Cor 12:13] and that body is the church [Col 1:18], the CHURCH OF CHRIST [Romans 16:16, Acts 20:28 Lamsa]
Where in the Bible we can read that WATER BAPTISM is not a requirement for SALVATION? Show me a verse…
And another thing, Jesus Christ said:
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and BE BAPTIZED WITH THE BAPTISM THAT I AM BAPTIZED WITH: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Jesus Christ said we will be baptized with the same baptism that he received. What type of Baptism Jesus Christ received, was it a WATER BAPTISM or not? Prove your answer.
3. ONLY the PEOPLE in a church named CHURCH of CHRIST are the BODY of JESUS
Well, the sheep of the Lord were called by a name [John 10:3], they are known by this name for they carry this name with them, and this name is the name of CHRIST [Acts 4:10,12], it is the only name given by God to men to save us. And how it is called to his TRUE SERVANTS? CHURCH OF CHRIST, the name that carries Christ’s name.
4. The age of ACCOUNTABILITY or SUPPOSED age where one has the MENTAL mindset to UNDERSTAND the WORD of GOD is 12
Where in the Bible that it said not to baptize a person by this age? Show me the verse…
5. FAITH IN JESUS instead of FAITH OF JESUS is whats needed to be of the BODY
Are you 100% sure that the verse where you basing this is a CORRECT TRANSLATION?
6. If INC doesnt REACH a person or group or town BEFORE they DIE, they are DOOMED for LAKE of FIRE
Were those people whom Noah did not able to give a warning of the Great Flood survived the flood? YES or No!
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ReplyDelete7. INC beyond a SHADOW of a DOUBT Knows if someone is SAVED or NOT by the MERE FACT whether or NOT they are a MEMBER of THEIR CHURCH
There is no teaching in the INC, that if you’re just a member you’re already saved. Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:13 “But the one who remains faithful to the end will be saved.” [ERV]
And:
John 8:31 “Jesus told the people who had faith in him, "If you keep on obeying what I have said, you truly are my disciples.” [CEV]
That is the assurance and how you will know who will be saved, and you cannot fake that.
On the other hand God will Judge those who are outside the church:
1 Cor 5:13 “GOD WILL JUDGE THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE”. Remove that wicked man from among you.” [God’s Word]
Take note of that, it is clear here that only those outside the Church or Christ’s body will be judged by God. And those who are inside the Church will never be condemned:
Romans 8:1 “ There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM THAT ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.” [ASV]
Condemnation means:
“To sentence, To judge guilty” [Merriam-Webster’s 2011]
So those who are in the Body of Christ will no longer be judged for they are EXEMPTED in God’s JUDGMENT in JUDGMENT DAY. Only those who are outside the Church will be Judged, and that is not 100% assurance of salvation:
John 5:29 “and they will come out of their tombs. Those who have done good will come back to life and live. BUT THOSE WHO HAVE DONE EVIL WILL COME BACK TO LIFE AND WILL BE JUDGED.” [GWT]
So it’s clear all those inside the Church will not be JUDGED and those outside will be JUDGED, very simple, and yet very clear…
8. ONLY cite a Bible VERSION LAMSA because of one MIS QOUTED verse and IGNORE the REST of His bible and how he was a HERETIC
Misquoted from where Eric? Even you are using a Bible who does not believe in your beliefs; your King James published in 1611, was from the ANGLICAN CHURCH, who do not believe what you believe, and yet you use their Bible.
What is important is the INC can prove without doubt that his translation of ACTS 20:28 is the correct one.
9. Asking BRETHREN to SNITCH or RAT on a fellow brethren when said brother is applying for an officers position.
Well, what is wrong if the congregation ask the judgment of the brethrens if a person applying to be a church officer is in GOOD CHARACTER, it was very clear from the Bible that we must make sure first of certain things and EVALUATE the PERSON before we allow him or her to be an officer: The problem with you, is the last thing you would believe in is the Bible:
1Tim 3:8-10 “Deacons must also be of good character. They must not be two-faced or addicted to alcohol. They must not use shameful ways to make money. They must have clear consciences about possessing the mystery of the Christian faith. FIRST, A PERSON MUST BE EVALUATED. THEN, IF HE HAS A GOOD REPUTATION, HE MAY BECOME A DEACON.” [GWT]
See… Very clear isn’t it?
May I ask you Eric, how do you comply with this rule? Do you have officers also? Are you an officer of the not EARTHLY CHURCH were you belong? Hehehehe!!!
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ReplyDelete10 CLEARLY IGNORE that God gave humans a BODY that is a TEMPLE and that INC ignores this when NOT admonishing their congregation as to the SIN of SMOKING
There is no verse in the Bible, that says SMOKING IS A SIN, The Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses, the original author of that doctrine admitted that. We can advice them not to smoke to take care of their health, but telling them that they would go to Hell because of smoking, that is absurd and un-Biblical.
The Apostles said, we should not accept teachings different from their teachings [ Gal 1:8-9]. There is no Historical and Biblical record that the Apostles ever taught to the EARLY CHRISTIANS that SMOKING IS A SIN, that’s why we do not believe nor accept that doctrine. Smoking is bad for your health that’s why you need to avoid it, but it is not a sin that will deliver you to Hell.
You’re accusations against the INC’s doctrines were only based on your FALSE UNDERSTANDING and ASSUMPTIONS, you cannot say FALSE those you cannot prove to be wrong.
May the FATHER the ONLY TRUE GOD bless us all…
Aerial
ReplyDelete1. You FORGET I was WATER baptized in YOUR CHURCH in YOUR CEREMONY
The minister said:
`NOW all of your SINS have BEEN ABSOLVED by the STAMP of the HOLY SPIRIT
This is FALSE on a number of points
If it were FULLY ABSOLVED then one is DEFINITELY saved as that is what JESUS paid the PENALTY for
The SINS of the ELECT!!!
WATER baptism is NOT a REQUIREMENT
To be of the BODY of JERSUS is to be BAPTIZED
Baptized is from the GREEK
TO IMMERSE in a FLUID`.. ie .. `TO WASH``
WATER baptism is a CEREMONY or RITUAL which is HONORING that BAPTISM or WASHING or CLEANSING that ONLY JESUS did to PAY the PENALTY of SIN
WATER SYMBOLIZES the WASHING that JESUS did with ... HIS BLOOD
JUST as WATER WASHES away FILTH from the BODY
JESUS WASHED away SIN from THE SOUL of THOSE of HIS BODY
THERE is NO where in the BIBLE that one MUST be WATER BAPTIZED to be of the BODY
FELIX makes that a CONDITION to be in HIS CHURCH
Thus adding to the BIBLE
ONE BAPTISM is when JESUS WASHED the SOULs of HIS BODY
`REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
FELIx assumes and ADDS to the Bible, thus making HIS own DOCTRINE
That BAPTISM is NOT referring to a CEREMONY or RITUAL designed to HONOR what JESUS alone Did to PAY the PENALTy of SIN for HIS BODY
I really need to go no further as this is EVIDENCE SUPREME INC is FALSE
Thus making FELIx a FALSE MESSENGER!!
But i will continue anyway for the benefit of others
Aerial
ReplyDelete`` DEFILEMENT of the BODy``
Need I cite you the verse AGAIN
NOT EVERY SINGLE SIN is LISTED word for WORD in the BIBLE
We must RESEARCH it and look DEEPLY into God`s WORD
Did you know that getting a TATOO is a SIN??
Is that listed word for word?
Ill give you til next post to research that, and if you cant find it Ill show you how GOD says tatooing is a SIN although the wording is nOT seen VERBATIM in the bible
DO you know a fad in the 1970s in USA was `SNIFFING GLUE``
teens were frying their BRAINS and some even became like VEGETABLES.. ruining their GOD -given mINDS`
IS SNIFFING glue in the BIBLE??
Glue is not EVEN a DRUG like HEROIN or alcohol
YOU really think that this is PLEASING to GOD and any LESS a SIN than DRINKING alcohol
and NOT a SIN just BECAUSE you dont see it VERBATIM??
Do your research on SMOKING and then tell me when it STARTED..
The bOTTOM line is SINS to the BODY are considered SINS if they are DEFILING the TEMPLE of GOD
EATINg is NOT a SIN
GLUTTONY is the SIN
having a glass of wine with a mEAL once in a while is NOT the SIN
DEFILING the body with ALCOHOL by making it an OBSESSION when it BECOMES your MASTER instead of GOD!!
THAT IS THE SIN!!!!
What one does to his body where that action BECOMES the FOCUS of that person and in a way the MASTER of him or her INSTEAD of GOD
Then we know its a SIN to the HOUSE or TEMPLE of GOD
ALl smoking is a series of POISONS to the person.. 16 to be EXACT
SATANs way of a slowly LURING one in with its ADDICTIVE qualities!!
and the when its too late CANCER sets in.
Now you tell me with a STRAIGHT face that this is what GOD wanted one to do with the TEMPLE HE has BLESSED you with!!
bro aerial,
ReplyDeletebro readmeinc is promoting these website on his blog, and I think bro f.manalo was belong on this movement when he was alive? is this true?
http://www.burningcamel.com
http://www.yazum.com
bro. f.manalo was truly enjoyed this site?
thank you
bro aerial,
ReplyDeletebro readmeinc is promoting these website on his blog, and I think bro f.manalo was belong on this movement when he was alive? is this true?
http://www.burningcamel.com
http://www.yazum.com
bro. f.manalo was truly enjoyed this site?
thank you
Dont be foolish ka felix is angel from I dont know basta anghel sya.
ReplyDeletekung totoo na gusto nya tulad ng sites na nilagay mo kalokohan yan, at pakisabi dyan sa readme kung sino man yan wala kaming pakialam sa kanya.
abuhay INC
para naman hindi natin alam na yang mga websites na yan www.yazum.com at www.burningcamel.com eh maliwanag na kalokohan.
ReplyDelete1914 wala pang interneet paanong magugustuhan ni ka felix yan sige nga?
www.yazum.com at www.burningcamel.com malaking kalokohan at paninira kay ka felix yan.
Prove to us Eric that your Mentor or you is a TRUE MESSENGER of God by showing us PROPHECIES that either you or your Mentor is sent by God, and there is a PROPHECY that COMMISSIONED you.
ReplyDeleteTell us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD and where is the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST from where he would come from?
Tell your God to guide you to answer this hahahahaha!
Christian
ReplyDeleteNo need to brother lol
I just detailed 2 points on how INC teaches FALSE doctrines
Would a SUPPOSED LAST MESSENGER have at its CORE FALSE DOCTRINES??
Come on Christian
You cant EVEN refute the 2 above FALSE doctrines
1. WATER baptism
2. SMOKING
Instead you harp on this one VAGUE reference in the bible to your SUPPOSED LAST MESSENGER
You cling onto that like your security blanket.
Your FALSE church is BASED on FALSE man-made doctrines
I have listed 10 with many more to come
** Getting a TATOO is a SIN..**
Did you EVER hear that ONCE in an INC worship service?
Im sure you as well as AErial dont even know the SCRIPTURE as the EXACT word TATOO is NOT seen but the REFERENCE is,
A MESSENGER on earth is one who SPREADS the TRUE WORD of GOD
If there is a LAST MESSENGER which the Bible doesnt say there is, he is DEFINITELY NOT FELIX.. NO HOW NO WAY!!!
Aerial
ReplyDeleteJESUS said
Let the one who hath NOT sinneth be the first to cast the stone
WE dont JUDGE one another.
BECAUSE once we begin doing that, the INC is PROMOTING being NOSY into someone ELSE;s BUSINESS.
And that leads to SPECULATION and CONJECTURE
How do you know that the MOTIVATION of a brethren who is AFFIXING his SIGNATURE is not doing that to just to SHAME or DEFAME such an apllicant,
What if the accuser shows his ALLEGATIONS that he is saying and tells many BRETHREN BEFORE he submits the form.
And lo and behold his ALLEGATIONS turn out to be FALSE!!
That person's REPUTATION within the church has been RUINED by this SMEAR campaign
IF INC wants to delve into the CHARACTER of an applican for an officer postion, let the ADMIN do all of the WORK and keep that SEALED in CONFIFDENTIALITY
But a CHURCH supposedly representing GOD, doesnt ask BRETHREN for DIRT on someone else!!
eric said...
ReplyDeleteWE dont JUDGE one another.
BECAUSE once we begin doing that, the INC is PROMOTING being NOSY into someone ELSE;s BUSINESS.
VS
ERIC SAID...
"I said INC admin and its ministers are GULITY.."
judge eric did it again...
54th self contradiction...
Judas 1:23 “At ang iba'y inyong iligtas, na agawin ninyo sa apoy; at ang iba'y inyong kahabagan na may takot; na inyong kapootan pati ng damit na nadungisan ng laman.”
Deletewe do this for you to know the truth..and be out of punishment in judgement day- which is the lake of fire..see!!! it is God's command..
LOuie
ReplyDeleteWhy dont you start refuting my list of FALSE doctrines of INC
Tell me LOUIE where getting a TATOO is a SIN in the bible
SHow your idol Aerial that you are a good cutnpaste boy and show us where GOD says getting a tatoo is a SIN ALTHOUGH that EXACT wording is not seen,
Come on Louie , I know you can do it!
Secondly Louie are you as FOOLISH as Aerial is in thinking KILLING onesself with CANCER sticks is NOT a SIN also BECAUSE the EXACT verbage is not seen in SCRIPTURE??
Show us how you can DEFEND INC on NETWORK 54 without any help of your co-INC members.
eric...
ReplyDeleteword tatoo...18th century word...
don't show your idiocy...stupidity...and dumbness...
by the way oldman...
we inc are united in our beliefs...
we unite also in defending our faith...
why are you too scared with brod ac,chris, and cathy helping me show your idiocy?...
having a phobia...huh
hahaha...
Ok let's say for arguments sake, the RAVENOUS BIRD is not Bro. Felix Manalo, tell us who is the RAVENOUS BIRD and what FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST he would come from?
ReplyDeleteLet's forget Bro. Felix for a while, and explain to me the TRUE MEANING of ISAIAH 46:11.
You said:
"If there is a LAST MESSENGER which the Bible doesnt say there is, he is DEFINITELY NOT FELIX.. NO HOW NO WAY!!!"
So answer the question:
If there is a LAST MESSENGER who is he?
I am asking you the TRUE MEANING of ISAIAH 46:11. Start explaining.
Let's put to the test the "UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH" that your God (Not my God) revealed to you when he OPENED your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS. Hehehehehe
eric...
ReplyDeleteby the way you believed that to sin or not to sin has no bearing in attainment of salvation...
so don't lecture us about sin you idiot...
hahaha...
eric said...
ReplyDeleteShow us how you can DEFEND INC on NETWORK 54 without any help of your co-INC members.
ERIC SAID...
"You come on INC NETWORK 54...are you afraid you will be outnumbered by those who know INC is a FALSE CHURCH"...
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eric said...
You can go back to README`s
SENSELESS to waste space here with a BRAINWASHED 12 yr old
LOuie I regret the DAY I invited you here !
eric just pretend as if he's very braved and intellegent...
the truth is...
he's just scared...to continue discussion with me...
hahaha...
this is eric being scared...lol
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1321957766/eric+just+pretend+as+if+he%27s+very+braved+and+intellegent---the+truth+is---
bro chris...
ReplyDeleteyang tanong mo ginawan ni tatang ng thread sa n54...
gustong magpatulong sa mga ampalayang tulad nya...
hahaha...
para sa anonymous,
ReplyDeletemasyadong walang kwenta yung
www.burningcamel.com at
www.yazum.com
kung sinasabi mong makakatulong ito sa mga kapatid na nassa abroad kasinungalingan yan.
pwede silang magpatuloy sa ibang gawaing pang INC at hindi kailangan nyan
mga bro...
ReplyDeletemaraming mga paraan na ginagawa ng mga ampalaya laban sa atin...
pero mababahala ba tayo?...
hindi siempre...
ang mga taong gaya nila ay inggit lang sa tagumpay ng inc...
sanay na kami sa batikos ninyo mga ampalaya...
lalo lang papait ang loob nyo sa sunod sunod na tagumpay na ipinagkakaloob ng AMA...
Isaias 41:9-10 “Ikaw na aking hinawakan mula sa mga wakas ng lupa, at tinawag kita mula sa mga sulok niyaon, at pinagsabihan kita, Ikaw ay aking lingkod, aking pinili ka at hindi kita itinakuwil; Huwag kang matakot, sapagka't ako'y sumasaiyo; huwag kang manglupaypay, sapagka't ako'y iyong Dios; aking palalakasin ka; oo, aking tutulungan ka; oo, aking aalalayan ka ng kanang kamay ng aking katuwiran.”
Isaias 43:13 “Oo, mula nang magkaroon ng araw ay ako nga; at walang sinomang makapagliligtas sa aking kamay: ako'y gagawa, at sinong pipigil?”
TAMA, DIYOS ANG GAGAWA SINO ANG PIPIGIL?
Eric said:
ReplyDelete“1. You FORGET I was WATER baptized in YOUR CHURCH in YOUR CEREMONY
The minister said:
`NOW all of your SINS have BEEN ABSOLVED by the STAMP of the HOLY SPIRIT”
I just attended a Baptism last week, and the MINISTER exactly say these words:
MINISTER: “Binauabutismuhan kita sa pangalan ng Ama, ng Anak, at ng Espiritu Santo, sa ikapagpapatawad ng iyong mga kasalanan”
Translation:
“I AM BAPTIZING YOU IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS”
Then the person that will be baptized will respond: “AMEN!”
Then the MINISTER immersed the person in the water.
I think you just making that up Eric…that is also the same words that the MINISTER had told me when I was baptized in 1987.
Is the minister’s statement wrong? The Bible said very clearly:
Acts 2:38 “Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and EACH OF YOU MUST BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST SO THAT YOUR SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN. THEN YOU WILL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A GIFT.” [God’s Word Bible]
What type of Baptism the Apostles performed?
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, THEY CAME UNTO A CERTAIN WATER: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and THEY WENT DOWN BOTH INTO THE WATER, BOTH PHILIP AND THE EUNUCH; AND HE BAPTIZED HIM. [KJV]
Very very clear that it is a WATER BAPTISM…
The Baptism that the Apostles performed is the Baptism that Jesus commanded them to do:
Mat 28:19-20 So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. TEACH THEM TO DO EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. "And remember that I am always with you until the end of time." [God’s Words Translation]
Jesus Christ COMMANDED THEM TO DO OR PERFORM WATER BAPTISM in order for all nations to become his disciples, and the Apostles did performed it, and it is recorded in the Scriptures.
The problem with you Eric, is the number one you do not believe is what is written in the Bible, and the only thing that matters to you and you accept is your OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS and UNDERSTANDING with no Biblical passages to back it up.
See Part 2>
Part 2>
ReplyDeleteIf the Apostles were not commanded to Baptize with water, why did they do it? Where do you think they got their orders to baptize with water? From the Devil? Hehehehehe…
Of course INC members understand fully that it is not really the baptism who absolves us from our sins, but it is the BLOOD of CHRIST:
Hebrews 9:22 “Indeed, ACCORDING TO THE LAW ALMOST EVERYTHING IS PURIFIED BY BLOOD, AND SINS ARE FORGIVEN ONLY IF BLOOD IS POURED OUT.” [Good News Bible]
Hebrews 9:14 “The BLOOD OF CHRIST, who had no defect, does even more. THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT HE OFFERED HIMSELF TO GOD AND CLEANSED OUR CONSCIENCES FROM THE USELESS THINGS WE HAD DONE. NOW WE CAN SERVE THE LIVING GOD.”
The baptism is the representation of that redemption that we need to have in order to be a partaker of the cleansing of the blood of Jesus Christ.
So it’s really the blood of Jesus that Cleansed us and not the Baptism.
It is just similar to this event in Biblical History:
Numbers 21:8-9 “The LORD said to Moses, "MAKE A SNAKE, AND PUT IT ON A POLE. ANYONE WHO IS BITTEN CAN LOOK AT IT AND LIVE." So Moses made a BRONZE SNAKE and put it on a pole. PEOPLE LOOKED AT THE BRONZE SNAKE AFTER THEY WERE BITTEN, AND THEY LIVED.” [GWT]
Now let me ask you, when the people of Israel was bitten by the snakes that God had brought upon them during Moses’ time, was it really the BRONZE SNAKE that cured them from the Snake’s venom? Of course not, for we know it was God who cured them. THEY FOLLOWED GOD’S COMMANDMENT TO LOOK AT THE SNAKE, that’s why they survived and lived.
Similar to Baptism, we followed Jesus Christ commandment to be baptized that’s why our sins was forgiven by God, it’s not literally the water in the Baptism cleansed us, it was the Blood of Jesus.
Very difficult for you to discern that, for you are not God’s chosen people. You are an INC member who do not ENTER in through the GATE, but in other way:
John 10:1 "I can guarantee this truth: THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T ENTER THE SHEEP PEN THROUGH THE GATE BUT CLIMBS IN SOMEWHERE ELSE IS A THIEF OR A ROBBER.” [GWT]
You ENTER in Christ’s body not through the GATE, which is Jesus. Your reason for joining is not Christ’s teaching but YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN AND MOTIVES….
So, I’m not going to call you a ROBBER nor a THIEF, for Jesus already done that, hehehehe.
So there is no way a LIAR, a DECEIVER, and a CHEATER can teach us knowledge about TRUE FAITH in GOD, for God never taught us to DECEIVE anyone, right Eric?
Proverbs 11:1 The LORD HATES ANYONE WHO CHEATS, BUT HE LIKES EVERYONE WHO IS HONEST.”[CEV]
Pretending to be a member in the INC or other religions just to gain something, can never be categorized as HONESTY, God taught us to be Honest to anyone.
May the FATHER the ONLY TRUE GOD bless us all!
To be continued on the SMOKING ISSUE...
Aerial
ReplyDeleteYou just admitted your minister said
For the FORGIVENESS of SINS
ONES SINS were FORGIVEN ONLY BY JESUS on the CROSS
No SINS are FORGIVEN through a CEREMONY or RITUAL like a WATER BAPTISM
" DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE of ME"
Do these CEREMONIES to REMEMBER the SACRIFICE that JESUS made when HE WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOULs that were HIS BODY 2000 yrs ago on the CROSS
JOHN the BAPTIST was telling everyone that would LISTEN that what he did was a
WATER BAPTISM
That was POINING to or FORESHADOWING the ONE BAPTISM that JESUS would do when HE BAPTIZED the SOULS of which GOD ELECTED to be
Aerial i see you ignore BAPTISM
from the GREEK
"TO IMMERSE in a FLUID... ie..TO WASH
When a body is IMMERSED in WATER its WASHED or CLEANSED
When JESUS BAPTIZED HE WASHED or CLEANSED or IMMERSED their souls with HIS BLOOD
JESUS was WATER baptized in HIS day
Did JESUS need to be CLEANSED or FORGIVEN of SIN?? NO
That was the CUSTOM of the day for a HIGH PRIEST to be WATER baptized as a show of HONOR
Il give you verses nEXT post of the BAPTISM that JESUS did
Aerial
ReplyDeleteTo Absolve:
To free from an obligation or the consequence of guilt. ie. SIN
To FORGIVE..TO RELEASE from the OBLIGATION or DEBT!
What the minister said in the CEREMONY of the WATER baptism is the SAME as what you just said
However, The PROBLEM lies in what FELIX and MOST churches do:
They ADD to the BIBLE by making the WATER baptism CEREMONY a CONDITION or REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
The Bible doesnt say that ANTWHERE
It does say:
``REPENT YE and be BAPTIZED``
The problem is INC teaches that this use of the word BAPTISM is referring to their CEREMONY
And its NOT!
Now you say the congregation knows that the BLOOD is what pays for the SINS
Do they?
Has an INC minister EVER uttered the word BAPTISM in a sermon OTHER than referring to the WATER BAPTISM CEREMONY??
ANSWER: NEVER
A 100 INC memebrs were polled and asked this question:
ARe you baptized?
ALL answered: Oh yes in the CHURCH of CHRIST
Thye were all WRONG
They were all WATER baptized
ONLY God knows if they were TRULY BAPTIZED by being of HIS body
REPENT YE and be BAPTIZED is speaking ONLY of JESUS and How HE alone BAPTIZED or WASHED or CLEANSED the SOULs of SIN of those that were HIS BODY
BAPTISM:
Mark 10:39
And Jesus said:
YE shall indeed drink of the cup I drink of: and with the BAPTISM that I am BAPTIZED with shall YE be BAPTIZED
JESUS is TEACHING here that yes INDEED those of HIS BODY will be BAPTIZED or WASHED or CLEANSED of SIN when HE is BAPTIZED
When? When HE paid the PENALTY of SIN for the ELECT by the WASHING with HIS BLOOD
This is the BAPTISM thats NECESSARY to be SAVED
NOT the WATER baptism CEREMONY in a CHURCH
yes one can do it
But one must NOT think that ACT or RITE plays any role or is a COMPONENT or REQUIREMENT to be SAVED!!
Aerial
ReplyDeleteThe oNLY ones who are DECEIVERS are the MANALOS
The son and grandson have only added to the PERPETUATION of LIES
INC is a FALSE church
If I enter the BODY of CHRIST , its through a FALSE CHURCH with a FALSE FOUNDER and with FALSE DOCTRINES.
YOU are all being DECEIVED that you ALONE today are the TRUE CHURCH and ONLY you can be SAVED by being an OFFICIAL member and being WATER baptized
The BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT ANYWHERE
Youre being DECEIVED by
1, BY FELIX as some sort of MESSENGER
2. Tht acts like WATER baptism and HOly SUPPER play a ROLe or are REQUIREMENTS to be SAVED
3, You are nOT taught all of the SINS like SMOKING and getting a Tatoo
By the way i guess Louie cant find the SCRIPTURE that speaks of TATOOS
Help him out oh GREAT DEBATER from the Phillipines
Also , so under your misguided beliefs all
FAT PEOPLE are going to HELL due to GLUTTONY???
WHEREAS SMOKERS killing themselves with POISONS is OK ???
lol , lol..lol
MY LORD you AERIal know so little about GOD!
Keep this blog up brother! lets bring INC to light here in the internet.
ReplyDeleteeric said...
ReplyDeleteA 100 INC memebrs were polled and asked this question:
ARe you baptized?
ALL answered: Oh yes in the CHURCH of CHRIST
Thye were all WRONG
They were all WATER baptized
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eric said...
ONLY God knows if they were TRULY BAPTIZED by being of HIS body
ONLY God knows if they were TRULY BAPTIZED but you know that there not...
hahaha...
old fool eric is playing God again...
55th self contradiction...
I cannot help not to respond to this one:
ReplyDeleteEric with a CRIPPLED MIND said:
“JESUS said
Let the one who hath NOT sinneth be the first to cast the stone
WE dont JUDGE one another.
BECAUSE once we begin doing that, the INC is PROMOTING being NOSY into someone ELSE;s BUSINESS.
And that leads to SPECULATION and CONJECTURE
How do you know that the MOTIVATION of a brethren who is AFFIXING his SIGNATURE is not doing that to just to SHAME or DEFAME such an apllicant,”
What if the accuser shows his ALLEGATIONS that he is saying and tells many BRETHREN BEFORE he submits the form.
And lo and behold his ALLEGATIONS turn out to be FALSE!!
That person's REPUTATION within the church has been RUINED by this SMEAR campaign
IF INC wants to delve into the CHARACTER of an applican for an officer postion, let the ADMIN do all of the WORK and keep that SEALED in CONFIFDENTIALITY
But a CHURCH supposedly representing GOD, doesnt ask BRETHREN for DIRT on someone else!!”
You are as usual displaying your GRAVE IGNORANCE in what is written in the Bible, I can’t help but to admire your ability and skills in the perfection of the art of being a MORON.
For your information , JUDGING someone if he is suitable or appropriate for a CHURCH’S POSITION is not equivalent in JUDGING him if He is a sinner or not, come on Eric, is your head only have water inside, and no brains?
Drain that water inside your head and tighten those loose bolts so that you would be able to UNDERSTAND this, Please believe what is written in the Bible, ok? Because that is the first thing you should do, BELIEVE AND ACCEPT IN WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.
Let us read again what is written in the Bible, I want you to focus your mind, Eric, because THIS IS NOT MY OWN WORDS:
1 Tim 3:8-9 “DEACONS MUST ALSO BE OF GOOD CHARACTER. They must not be two-faced or addicted to alcohol. They must not use shameful ways to make money. They must have clear consciences about possessing the mystery of the Christian faith. FIRST, A PERSON MUST BE EVALUATED. THEN, IF HE HAS A GOOD REPUTATION, HE MAY BECOME A DEACON.” [God’s Words Bible]
Ok let me quote again what the Bible said, look and see Eric, not from my own words, FROM THE BIBLE. Look at this very closely, focus your mind Eric:
“A PERSON MUST BE EVALUATED. THEN, IF HE HAS A GOOD REPUTATION, HE MAY BECOME A DEACON”.
See? Oh maybe you did not see, so I will quote again:
“A PERSON MUST BE EVALUATED. THEN, IF HE HAS A GOOD REPUTATION, HE MAY BECOME A DEACON”.
Tell me if you still can’t see and understand that, then I will quote again. Hehehehehe
You said:
“How do you know that the MOTIVATION of a brethren who is AFFIXING his SIGNATURE is not doing that to just to SHAME or DEFAME such an apllicant,”
What if the accuser shows his ALLEGATIONS that he is saying and tells many BRETHREN BEFORE he submits the form.”
Hahahahaha, you’re very expert in these kind of things ha Eric? But not what is written in the Bible, you think the INC will not do any investigation if someone is being reported not to be suited for the position? That’s what EVALUATION means right? Just in case you do not know, because that word is in English, hahahahahaha!!!!
EVALUATION: To examine or judge carefully; appraise
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evaluation
Any report submitted will be examined carefully, and with CONFIDENTIALITY by the Church Officers of that particular Locale assigned to do those tasks. that’s why it is mentioned in the CHURCH CIRCULAR that anyone who will report should clearly AFFIX his or her name and SIGNATURE, because if it is proven also that he or she is LYING, he will be GUILTY of SLANDERING and that could cause that person to be EXCOMMUNICATED.
See Part 2>
Part 2>
ReplyDeleteAny REPORT must be proven to be TRUE First, as your Favorite ANGLICAN BIBLE said:
1 Tim 3:10 “AND LET THESE ALSO FIRST BE PROVED; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [King James Version]
Was that clear enough, or you want me to repeat again?
In defense of your OPINION you said this:
“WE dont JUDGE one another.”
Well tell that to APOSTLE PAUL, who wrote this:
1 Cor 5:12 “Why should I judge outsiders? AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO JUDGE ONLY CHURCH MEMBERS?” [CEV]
As you can see, members of the CHURCH or CHRIST’S BODY have no right to JUDGE those who are OUTSIDERS or NON-MEMBERS Why?
1 Co 5:13 “GOD WILL JUDGE THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE. Remove that wicked man from among you.” [GWT]
God will JUDGE those who are OUTSIDE or NON-MEMBERS of the CHURCH that is why we are not allowed to JUDGE them.
We are ONLY ALLOWED to JUDGE CHURCH MEMBERS, as I quote again:
“AREN’T WE SUPPOSED TO JUDGE ONLY CHURCH MEMBERS?”
So if you have a problem with that Eric, take your case to APOSTLE PAUL, and COMPLAIN TO HIM, because he is the one who said these things and not me.
So it’s between you and APOSTLE PAUL now, hehehehehe. And for sure we already know who is in the SIDE of the TRUTH, definitely not you.
God bless all brethrens in Christ…
Oh oh oh my dear Eric, is ignoring to respond why this thread is Created:
ReplyDeleteLet's Read again what Bro. Aerial said:
"Since Eric you boastfully saying that your GOD [Definitely not my God] had opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS and revealed to you His UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH, Answer Bro. Christian’s questions:
“The PROOF that he is the LAST MESSENGER is the PROPHECIES written in the BIBLE, and that’s what I am challenging you to DISCREDIT, prove to me that he is NOT THE RAVENOUS BIRD mentioned in ISAIAH 46:11, and the FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST (MIZRACH) composed of ISLANDS is not the PHILIPPINES.
If he is not the RAVENOUS BIRD – the MAN that will execute GOD’S counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY in the FAR EAST (in Hebrew - MIZRACH) which COMPOSED of ISLANDS. Then tell to us WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD?”
This thread is created for you to respond…"
So do your homework Eric and ANSWER my questions for I am waiting.
5 Days now and still NO ANSWER from you.
Why? your friends from the NETWORK 54 cannot give you any answer?
There is no need for them Eric, God already revealed this to you, right?
What happen to your God that revealed to you His UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH? Why He cannot Help you? Hehehehehehe
Pray to your GOD, call him, maybe He is still sleeping because He slept late last night because of too much browsing on the Internet for an answer...AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
SCORE so far:
ReplyDeleteAERIAL = 10+ ERIC = 0
Eric's Style:
Opinion Based statements, very seldom used the Bible. All Plain talks with no Biblical support. Explanations based on his own personal beliefs and interpretations. No verses shown that clearly proves his point.
Aerial's Style:
Explains with Clarity, and what he said has a Biblical Support, and the Verses that He use clearly shows what he's trying to prove.
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"But one must NOT think that ACT or RITE plays any role or is a COMPONENT or REQUIREMENT to be SAVED!!"
Is Stopping to SMOKE is not a kind of ACT or ACTION?
If a person stops SMOKING would that mean that he is doing an ACT that does not play any role to be SAVED?
So it would mean that whether you SMOKE or NOT it does not matter, right Eric?
You said last time that:
"OUR WORKS or OBEDIENCE to the WORD is NOT what God sees as either RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in DETERMINING who is SAVED".
So even a person stops SMOKING as a form of obedience to the WORD, God will not see that as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED, right Eric?
So whether you STOP SMOKING or not, is not really necessary for it is a WORK that GOD does not Justify nor consider Righteous.
So as a conclusion based on your explanation. QUITTING TO SMOKE DOES NOT REALLY PLAY ANY ROLE IN THE SALVATION OF MANKIND.
By the way, I'm not a SMOKER, but for example I will SMOKE, it does not make any difference for my salvation, right Eric?
Patrick
ReplyDeleteAerial scoffed and laughed that
``Smoking will send one to HELL??
He thought this is RIDICULOus .. why??
Because he cant find it word for word in the Bible
Would all the FAT PEOPLE in the world be doomed for hell BECAUSE GLUTTONY is seen in the Bible word for word as a SIN?
You cant see the CONTRADICTION there??
Patrick, since the GREAT DEBATER Aerial cant seem to find the reference and neither can Louie, then I will challenge you
Where in the Bible does it say that getting a tatoo is a SIN?
It says it in SCRIPTURE WITHOUT
using the exact verbage of the word TATOO!
2. Gods LAW Book is the BIBle. God COMMANDS us to obey HIS WORD and the LAW book of the Bible is where one find what are SINS and what are not.
However since God is CLEAR that WORKS or OBEDIENCE are NOT what JUSYIFIES one into being ELECTED, that doesnt TRANSLATE into one NOT obeying them
We are nOT to OBEY the BiBle as a means of REWARDING us with something
``REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED``
Thats the KEY to SALVATION
NOT works one does.. LEST any man BOAST
I cite verses but as all INC members do, they twist them and IGNORE them when they dont fit their FALSE DOCTRINES.
Ill give you one now which teaches a number of things
Epistle of PAUL 3:5
:`NOT by WORKS(DEEDS) of RIGHTEOUNESS which we have done, BUT according to HIS(GODS) MERCY HE saved us, by the WASHING(ONE BAPTISM BY JESUS) of REGENERATION, and RENEWING by the HOLY GHOST.
Patrick this is just of many verses God is CRYSTAL clear as to WORKS.
Ones works or DEEDS are not what as seen as RIGHTEOUS
One is only SAVED through the MERCY of GOD
One is SAVED ONLY by the WORK of JESUS on the CROSS when HE baptized or WASHED or CLEANSED the SOULS of those of HS BODY
Hence Smoking is a DEFILEMENT of the BODY just as much and even MORE than Drinking alcohol or GLUTTONY
The point which is lost now by all of your evasive tactics is that INC doesnt teach the ENTIRE bible as EVIDENCED by their EXCLUDING
1. SMOKING
2. TATOOS
That is the point there
If God is indeed going to show MERCY and bless you with GRACE and FAITH(JESUS), then all of your DIRTY rotten sins will be paid for BY JESUS through HIS blood.
Your act of stopping to smoke is no more RIGHTEOUS to God than abstaining from alcohol or GLUTTONY etc.
Next post:
Concern your self with the man in the mirror
Hey Observer
ReplyDeleteDid you know that you act of FAITH is a WORK?
Im sure INC NEVER teaches you that
Thes 1;3-4
`But without ceasing your WORK of FAITH..
Have you read my prior posts on here as to WORKS??
I just cited one verse that addresses both WORKS and the ONE BAPTISM by JESUS
YOUR work of FAITH or BELIEVING is not seen by GOD as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED as God doesnt see them as that.
The FAITH that is NECESSARY in one attaining SALVATION is the FAITH OF JESUS.
This is why JESUS in REVElations 19:11
is referred to as FAITHFUL...
for HE is the ESSENCE of FAITH
have you EVER heard this type of sermon in any INC worship srvice?
No.. because they want to you to FOCUS on what YOU do..
from your WORK of WATER BAPTISM
to your WORK of HOLY SUPPER
to your WORK of OFFERINGS
to your WORk of FAITH
They dont want to teach you that the ONLY WORK EVER that is NECESSARY for ones SINS to be ABSOLVED is the WORK that JESUS did on the cross when he BAPTIZED the ONES that GOD ELECTED to be of the BODY of JESUS
INC wants to lure you in with one FALSE DOCTRINE after another.
How can INC REQUIRE that one be WATER baptized as a CONDITION or REQUIREMENT to be SAVED when in REALITY
its WORK you do??
They cant DEMAND that and they SHOULD NOT
WHY??
BECAUSE they are ADDING to the WORD of GOD!
5 Days and still our wise as ever Eric cannot respond to my question regarding the WHO IS THE RAVENOUS BIRD. I think he still waiting for His God to give him time.
ReplyDeleteHe said:
"Did you know that you act of FAITH is a WORK?"
So to him FAITH = WORK
So by the process of substitution:
Since FAITH = WORK
So the following verses would mean:
James 2:14 “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath FAITH, and have not works? can FAITH save him?” [KJV - King James Version]
James 2:14 “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath WORK, and have not works? can WORK save him?” [ECT - Eric’s Crooked Translation]
And this one:
James 2:18 “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast FAITH, and I have works: shew me thy FAITH without thy works, and I will shew thee my FAITH by my works.” [KJV]
James 2:18 “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast WORK, and I have works: shew me thy WORK without thy works, and I will shew thee my WORK by my works.” [ECT]
See how the Bible is TWISTED every time we based it on Eric’s PERSONAL INVENTED INTERPRETATIONS. He really doesn’t care even he contradicts the BIBLE, all he care is what he thinks and not what the Bible said.
If Faith and WORK are the same, those verses would give us ridiculous meaning.
“FAITH IS A WORK” is never equal to “WORK OF FAITH”
So by applying that same logic that Eric invented that would mean:
“CHURCH OF CHRIST” is “CHRIST IS A CHURCH”
Hahahaha, who would accept that? For that is absurd.
So what is the meaning of WORK OF FAITH.
Of course we will not answer from our own words for that is WRONG, we should let the Bible talk for us, for we are not Eric:
1 Thess 1:3 “Every time we pray to God our Father, we thank him for ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE BECAUSE OF YOUR FAITH. And we thank him for the work you have done because of your love. And we thank him that you continue to be strong because of your hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.” [Easy to Read Version]
WORK OF FAITH = ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH
That is the Biblical meaning, FROM THE BIBLE, and not from me.
Choose whom you will believe, Eric or the Bible?
For Eric never agrees on what is written in the Bible, for he only believes in Himself. Hehehehehe
Christian
ReplyDeleteWhat contradiction
What we do no matter what it is
Is WORK we do
BELIEVING is a WORK
WATER baptism is a WORK
HOLY SUPPER is a WORK
OFFERINGS is a WORK
I see you ignore what GOD says as to WORKs that we do
THEy are NOT RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED in DETERMINING ones SALVATION
In the original GREEK of gal 2;16
it says
FAITH JESUS
The TRANSLATORS of this ERRONEOUSLY put IN between FAITH and JESUS
This is why the KING JAMES is the most reliable BIBle as it was OF that was the CORRECT prepostion so that the MEANING would no be TWISTED
The FAITh OF JESUS is what SAVES one
We dont aid in OUR SALVATION by OUR WORK of FAITH or BELIEVING
You still dont address all of the VERSES that speak of WORKS
WORKS are NOT SEEN BY GOd as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTFIFIED
The FAITH that SAVES is BY and OF JESUS
FAITH is a GIFT from GOD and ONLy to those GOD has BLESSED that TOO
The verses you cited are speaking of the FAITH that one has FROM GOD and then the WORKS he or she does will be from them as GOOD as they will have an INTENSE desire to do the WILL of GOD
YOUR WORKS are HOLLOW UNTIL you are BLESSED with the FAITH of JESUS
How do you RECEIVE the GIFT of FAITH?
ONLY by being one of the ELECT
THE FAITH is of JESUS
NOT your ACT of FAITH
FAITH is a RESULT of GOD CHOOSING you
NOT a COMPONENT!!
Christian
ReplyDeleteI ALREADY PROVED its NOT FELIX
Maybe God dosnt want you as an INC member to know lol
So how come you cant come to the aid of your fellow brothers and show me the verses where God, although not using the word TATOO
Still says that getting one is a SIN
Anyway back to your RAVENOUS bird
The ONLY Bible version that says FAR EAST is which now??
Good old MOFFAT??
Like good old LAMSA
Two of INC HEREOES who are HERETICs
How about ciring some other passages from Lamsa and Moffat if they are so TRUSTWORTHY?? lol
www.burningcamel.com at
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nuong nabubuhay pa daw si ka felix ito daw yung mga libangan nya? totoo po ba ito bro?
Show off Eric said:
ReplyDelete"I ALREADY PROVED its NOT FELIX
Maybe God dosnt want you as an INC member to know lol"
Oh so you have proven that the RAVENOUS BIRD is not Bro. Felix Manalo by what? By saying that what he had taught is not TRUE because it's different from what you believed?
Why? is the REAL RAVENOUS BIRD believed in the same belief as what you have? Would you mind telling me who is the REAL RAVENOUS BIRD? Haven't you forgotten that this is what I'm asking you 6 days ago and until now, you are not attempting to answer it. You always go around nonsense LAME EXPLANATIONS instead of answering what is really being asked, and never answer a question directly.
You are being asked to tell us and prove to us the TRUE MEANING of Isaiah 46:11, and revealed to us its TRUE MEANING. Because you said your God has opened your SPIRITUAL EYES and EARS, and revealed to you his UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH. So would you mind telling us all INC members who visit this Blog, what is the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH behind ISAIAH 46:11, and reveal to us the TRUE IDENTITY of the RAVENOUS BIRD who is a MAN that WILL EXECUTE GOD’s COUNSEL from a FAR COUNTRY from the FAR EAST [MIZRACH in HEBREW]?
We are not talking about Bro. Felix Manalo, the issue here is your proof regarding the TRUE IDENTITY of the RAVENOUS which you can prove to us without doubt who he really is, and that is what you suppose to be doing.
So do your homework Eric. And answer the question, stop roaming around searching for answers to your friends in NETWORK 54, don’t you trust your GOD who revealed to you His Mysteries? Hehehehehe…
6 Days now Eric…and still counting…
Eric said:
ReplyDelete“This is why the KING JAMES is the most reliable BIBle as it was OF that was the CORRECT prepostion so that the MEANING would no be TWISTED.”
Hahaha King James is the MOST RELIABLE BIBLE, who told you, yourself ah maybe your God who is busy surfing the internet to find an ASIAN WIFE, hahahahaha…
Who translated the King James Eric?
Let me answer that, by quoting from a source:
“The Authorized Version, commonly known as the King James Version, King James Bible or KJV, IS AN ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE BY THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND begun in 1604 and completed in 1611. First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker, this was the third official translation into English; the first having been the Great Bible commissioned by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second was the Bishop's Bible of 1568.”
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
The TRANSLATOR and PUBLISHER of your most reliable Bible is the CHURCH OF ENGLAND or commonly known as the ANGLICAN CHURCH and they labeled themselves as “REFORMED CATHOLIC”. Look at their churches, and see the striking resemblance from the ROMAN CATHOLIC.
Is the ANGLICAN CHURCH the TRUE RELIGION?
Weren’t they IDOL WORSHIPPERS? Does an IDOL WORSHIPPER not a HERETIC? Would you mind answering that HYPOCRITICAL ERIC?
The INC is using LAMSA and MOFFAT as a REFERENCE for they TRANSLATED a BIBLE, and no one can prove what they TRANSLATED is not a BIBLE. That is the same reason why you are using your KJV, you don’t care what were the beliefs of the TRANSLATORS, the issue here is this?
Did they TRANSLATE the passage correctly?
The Job of the TRANSLATORS are just to CONVERT one LANGUAGE to another, and that is the only thing that we rely from them not their personal beliefs or their religious belief, but their human professional skills in TRANSLATING LANGUAGES.
That is why you are being a HYPOCRITE attacking the INC for using other Bible, while you are also using the Bible TRANSLATED by people whom you do not believe also to be teaching the TRUTH.
Why not show us your God given talent and prove to us that the TRANSLATION of LAMSA in ACTS 20:28, and the TRANSLATION of MOFFAT in ISAIAH 43:5 were FALSE, instead of COMMENTING NONSENSE and without realizing all what you’re saying will only come back and splatter into your face.
King James is the MOST RELIABLE BIBLE, hahahahaha, are you 100% sure of that?
Eric the pretender said:
ReplyDelete“In the original GREEK of gal 2;16
it says
FAITH JESUS
The TRANSLATORS of this ERRONEOUSLY put IN between FAITH and JESUS
This is why the KING JAMES is the most reliable BIBle as it was OF that was the CORRECT prepostion so that the MEANING would no be TWISTED.”
As if this fellow had seen the ORIGINAL GREEK? Hahahahaha, where have you seen the ORIGINAL GREEK that was written by the Apostles, would you mind telling me where and when Eric?
Was the ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPTS written by the Apostles still exists? At least the Catholic Church who knew better regarding this was honest enough to admit these:
“THESE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS PROBABLY PERISHED TOWARDS THE END OF THE FIRST OR THE OPENING OF THE SECOND CENTURY. WE FIND NO TRACE OF THEM IN EITHER THE APOSTOLIC OR THE APOLOGETIC FATHERS,…” [Catholic Encyclopedia, “Manuscripts of the Bible”.]
So Eric here is just bein’ a SHOW-OFF by saying “IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK”, but the TRUTH it he does not have an idea that it still exist nor he seen it… shame on you Eric, hahahahaha!
“HONESTY IS ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY”
This is the correct way to say it:
Let us quote GALATIANS 2:16 from a Greek Bible:
Gal 2:16 “ειδοτες ‘οτι ου δικαιουται ανθρωπος εξ εργων νομου εαν μη δια πιστεως ιησου χριστου και ‘ημεις εις χριστον ιησουν επιστευσαμεν ‘ινα δικαιωθωμεν εκ πιστεως χριστου και ουκ εξ εργων νομου διοτι ου δικαιωθησεται εξ εργων νομου πασα σαρξ” [Textus Receptus Greek New Testament]
Pronunciation:
“ eidotes hoti ou dikaioutai anthrōpos ex ergōn nomou ean mē dia PISTEŌS IĒSOU KHRISTOU kai hēmeis eis khriston iēsoun episteusamen hina dikaiōthōmen ek PISTEŌS KHRISTOU kai ouk ex ergōn nomou dioti ou dikaiōthēsetai ex ergōn nomou pasa sarx”
There is no “FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST” nor “FAITH OF CHRIST” there Eric
“πιστεως ιησου χριστου” “PISTEŌS IĒSOU KHRISTOU”
“FAITH JESUS CHRIST”
“πιστεως χριστου” “PISTEŌS KHRISTOU”
FAITH CHRIST
There is no preposition “OF” there Eric, would you mind showing me a PROOF where your reliable Bible KJV, got that?
See Part 2>
MODERN TRANSLATORS no longer translated that verse the way the KJV Translated it:
ReplyDeleteGal 2:16 “yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by FAITH IN CHRIST, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” [American Standard Version]
Gal 2:16 “Yet we know that a person is put right with God only through faith in Jesus Christ, never by doing what the Law requires. We, too, have BELIEVED IN CHRIST JESUS in order to be put right with God through our FAITH IN CHRIST, and not by doing what the Law requires. For no one is put right with God by doing what the Law requires.” [Good News Bible]
Even our OLDEST FILIPINO BIBLE, translated it this way:
Gal 2:16 “Bagama't naaalaman na ang tao ay hindi inaaring-ganap sa mga gawang ayon sa kautusan, maliban na sa pamamagitan ng PANANAMPALATAYA KAY JESUCRISTO, tayo rin ay nagsisampalataya kay Cristo Jesus, upang tayo'y ariing-ganap sa pamamagitan ng PANANAMPALATAYA KAY CRISTO, at hindi dahil sa mga gawang ayon sa kautusan: sapagka't sa mga gawang ayon sa kautusan ay hindi aariing-ganap” [Ang Biblia, 1905]
Similar to the VERSES as shown above it was translated as: “FAITH IN CHRIST” or “PANANAMPALATAYA KAY CRISTO” and not “FAITH OF CHRIST” or “PANANAMPALATAYA NI CRISTO”, ask your Wife if you have a doubt Eric. There are no Filipino or Tagalog Bible translated that passage as “FAITH OF CHRIST” in our language, would that mean we are doomed?
Why LATER TRANSLATORS decided to change it?
You know why Eric? Because of the meaning of the GREEK WORD “πιστεως” [PISTEŌS] which means:
“ relating to Christ: A STRONG AND WELCOME CONVICTION OR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God; the religious beliefs of Christians; BELIEF WITH THE PREDOMINATE IDEA OF TRUST (OR CONFIDENCE) WHETHER IN GOD OR IN CHRIST, SPRINGING FROM FAITH IN THE SAME” [Thayer’s Greek Definitions]
PISTEOS Eric is not just “FAITH” but “FAITH IN” the preposition “IN” is within the meaning of the GREEK WORD itself, that’s why MODERN TRANSLATORS corrected the WRONG TRANSLATION of your beloved KJV.
And translating Galatians 2:16 as “FAITH IN CHRIST”, MODERN TRANSLATORS re-established the authentic unity of Biblical passages:
Gal 3:26 “For ye are all the children of God by FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.” [KJV]
John 3:18 “No one who has FAITH IN GOD'S SON will be condemned. But everyone who doesn't have FAITH IN HIM has already been condemned for not having FAITH IN GOD'S ONLY SON.” [CEV]
John 11:25 “Jesus then said, "I am the one who raises the dead to life! Everyone who has FAITH IN ME will live, even if they die.” [CEV]
How come now we will live even if we die because of our FAITH IN CHRIST, and that FAITH is not JUSTIFIED nor considered as RIGHTEOUS, and do you know what would be the meaning of that?
NOT RIGHTEOUS = NOT RIGHT = WRONG
It would appear then that it is WRONG to have FAITH in JESUS, right Eric?
In my next post I will explain what is mentioned by Apostle Paul as the “WORKS OF THE LAW” in Galatians 2:16, was the “LAW” mentioned there is referring to all the LAWS of GOD written in the Bible?
Coming soon…
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"When JESUS BAPTIZED HE WASHED or CLEANSED or IMMERSED their souls with HIS BLOOD"
The Bible said:
John 4:2 "Actually, Jesus himself DID NOT BAPTIZE ANYONE; only his disciples did." [Good News]
ERIC VS. THE BIBLE Indeed!!!!!!
More to come...Hehehehehe!
AERial you FOOL
ReplyDeleteOnce again you fall RIGHT in to the trap!
I NEVER said the Original GREEK said FAITH of CHRIST
It does INDEED say FAITH CHRIST
FAITH is the ATTRIBUTE ONLY of JESUS
JESUS is FAITHFUL to the 10000th degree
JESUS is FAITHFUL as said in REV
MAN is NOT FAITHFUL
MAN is SINFUL and BOASTFUL
The FAITh of JESUS saved the ones of HIS BODY
Through that BAPTISM of HIMSELF were sins PAID for
You and your church are mesmerized by WATER BAPTISMS
JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOUls of HIS body with HIS BLOOD!!
So yes FAITH is JESUS
HIS FAITH PAID the PENALTY
NOT OUR ACT OF FAITH!!
This is the SECOND time you fell right into the TRAP!
THE FAITH of JESUS is what is NECESSARY for one to be CLEANSED of SIN
NOT our ACT or WORK of FAITH!!!
So the KING JAMES Bible is the CORRECT translation as the MEANING is NOT LOST as it is with the INSERTION of the word IN !!!!
Aerial
ReplyDeleteNO WRONG!!
MAn doesnt like NOT having CONTROL of his destiny or FATE
MAN is proud and he wants to thump his chest to GOD and say:
LOOK at me God and what I DID and what ACT or WORK that I did to DESERVE SALVATION!!!
Man doesnt like restrictions placed upon him.
Go to any court of law and what does one here if a spouse cheated on ones spouse?
He committed ADULTERY, which in our society is the ACT of having an affaIr with another.
Man doesnt like the defintion God has of ADULTERY which is EVEN the lustful thought of another.
So ask anyone did they commit adultery by viewing porno or looking at skin magazines like Playboy?
They quickly answer:
On NO I did NOT CHEAT with another !!
The same applies for FAITH.
Man doesnt want to think that GOD did all of the work through and by and AS JESUS.
JESUS is the ONE whose FAITH WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the souls of HIS body.
Once again Aerial God says:
`REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
Foolish INC members once again think that ACT or WORK of a WATER baptism CEREMONY is what is referred to here, and that ACT or RITE aids or is a component on one attaining SALVATION.
Man is BOASTFUL and CANT STAND the thought of NOT BEING in CONTROL!!
So the translators you speak of who inserted the prepositiobn ``IN`` were NOT comparing SCRIPTURE with scripture and because of that failure, they could NOT fully COMPREHEND that the MEANING of WHOSE FAITH GUARANTEED SALVATION of HIS BODY
was ONLY the FAITH of sweet JESUS!!
Just a simple PHRASE to your very long story telling. “THAT’S JUST YOUR OPINION” hehehehehe!
ReplyDeleteTo the viewers of my Blog,
See how Eric entertain us with his SELF EXPLANATIONS, neglecting all the PROOFS that we have shown, totally IGNORING the VERSES that I have shown. Look who’s DEFYING his own PRINCIPLE:
He said:
“WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE VERSES”
The readers can see that very clearly. And you know what folks? He is also an ACCUSER of the things that I didn’t do.
Eric you said:
“Once again you fall RIGHT in to the trap!
I NEVER said the Original GREEK said FAITH of CHRIST”
What TRAP huh? Can you kindly quote that I said in my last post that you said in the ORIGINAL GREEK it said “FAITH OF CHRIST”?
Kindly quote it Eric so that my viewers would see who is DAYDREAMING again.
Because that’s the thing that you hate the most, to QUOTE, you see, very seldom we see DIRECT QUOTATIONS from the Bible or from ANY SOURCE from you. Even your NON BIBLICAL SOURCES you cannot quote properly and cannot give us where in the world you’re getting those.
By the way Eric, would you mind telling me from whom you learn your GREEK? Who taught you? IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE IN THIS MATTER.
Imagine the definition of your CHURCH is based from the GREEK WORD who never appeared in any of the GREEK NEW TESTAMENT. You define your CHURCH base from the GREEK WORD “KYRIAKOS” from where the English word “CHURCH” was derived, and not the TRUE DEFINITION of the CHURCH in the New Testament which was called “EKKLESIA” by the Apostles.
You see how you got caught BIAS IN YOUR EXPLANATION on the MEANING of the word “CHURCH”?
Why did I reacted when you say “ORIGINAL GREEK”, because the way you said it, is as if you seem actually seen the ORIGINAL GREEK, that’s why.
There is no more “ORIGINAL GREEK” ok?
You said:
“So yes FAITH is JESUS
HIS FAITH PAID the PENALTY
NOT OUR ACT OF FAITH!!”
Where is that written in the Bible that says “FAITH IS JESUS”?
His FAITH paid the PENALTY? His Faith to whom? If you will answer: His Faith to GOD? It would appear that your belief that JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD is not True, right Eric?
Come on Eric impress us by showing us a VERSE.
This phrases were just based from your “FABRICATED BELIEFS”, that’s why even you turn the Bible totally upside down you will never be able to show us, that that PHRASE is mentioned by God, Jesus, nor the Apostles. To you that is a SIGNIFICANT DOCTRINE, Don’t you think if Jesus or the Apostles did taught that they will not mention that from the scriptures?
Be honest Eric, for once, and admit that your DOCTRINE regarding that is not written nor taught by Jesus nor the Apostles from the Bible.
See Part 2>
Part 2>
ReplyDeleteYou know how easy it would be to convince an INC member, if you can just only show us a VERSE that we could clearly read those teachings of yours.
The TRUTH is, that is why, you just continuously TALK and TALK, and EXPLAIN and EXPLAIN, is because you know so very well that what you are saying is not in the BIBLE.
You said we are not JUSTIFIED nor will be SAVED because of our FAITH, but why Jesus said this?
Luke 7:50 “Jesus said to the woman, "YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED YOU. Go in peace!" [God’s Word Bible]
Only a BLIND FELLOW could not see that. Very very clearly spoken by the SAVIOUR.
Here is another one:
Romans 10:10 “For IT IS BY OUR FAITH THAT WE ARE PUT RIGHT WITH GOD; it is by our confession that we are saved.” [Good News Bible]
2 Timothy 3:15 “and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that LEADS TO SALVATION THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.” [GNB]
See? You need to face the TRUTH, Learn to accept what is written in the Bible. HAVE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST Eric, after all you’re a Christian, right?
TRUE CHRISTIANS accepts and believe in what is written in the Bible.
DON’T IGNORE THESE VERSES, Follow your own RULES Eric…
And please do not pretend that your KING JAMES BIBLE is free from MISTRANSLATIONS by saying that it is the “MOST RELIABLE BIBLE” for that would be the meaning of that.
I can prove to you that your KJV is also BLEMISHED with WRONG TRANSLATIONS, you want to start to talk about your favorite 1 JOHN 5:7? Come on Eric let’s talk about it, hehehehe.
Please Eric stop defying the Bible by saying this:
“JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOUls of HIS body with HIS BLOOD!!”
The Bible clearly said:
John 4:2 "Actually, Jesus himself DID NOT BAPTIZE ANYONE; only his disciples did." [Good News]
Would you mind telling me Eric, which part of that VERSE you don’t understand?
Oh let me quote again NOT FROM MY OWN WORDS but WORD FOR WORD from the Bible Eric, focus your SPIRITUAL EYES on this:
“JESUS HIMSELF DID NOT BAPTIZE ANYONE”
Oh here is another one:
John 4:2 “But really, JESUS HIMSELF DID NOT BAPTIZE ANYONE; HIS FOLLOWERS BAPTIZED PEOPLE FOR HIM.” [Easy to Read Version]
You’re a Christian Eric right? So you should be PRO-BIBLE and not ANTI BIBLE,
But if you still don’t want to believe in the Bible, well that’s your choice, after all there is always someone who should be at the side of the Devil anyway. hahahahaha…lol
Oh before I forgot your MOST RELIABLE BIBLE the KING JAMES, said this:
ReplyDeleteLuke 14:26 “If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his FATHER, AND MOTHER, AND WIFE, AND CHILDREN, AND BRETHREN, AND SISTERS, YEA, AND HIS OWN LIFE ALSO, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.” [King James Version]
Hahahaha, see how your beloved "MOST RELIABLE BIBLE" King James, translate this passage? They made Jesus to say this? My goodness! Jesus will never tell us to HATE our Parents, because Jesus said this:
Mark 10:19 “Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER.” [KJV]
So do you want me to HATE MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN, AND MY PARENTS, AND MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND ALSO HATE MY OWN LIFE because your FAVORITE BIBLE said so? I am not STUPID…
Your “MOST RELIABLE BIBLE” said this, and I bet your obeying this right Eric? hehehehehehe
JESUS did NOT BAPTIZE anyone with WATER!!!
ReplyDeleteThats what that verse means
To be BAPTIZED is to be ABSOLVED or CKLEANSED or WASHED of SIN
You know the meaning of BAPTISM dont you??
from the GREEK
to IMMERSE in a FLUID... ie .. TO WASH
This is what JESUS did when HE WASHED the SOULs of HIS BODY
YOU cite WATER BAPTISM CEREMONIES
How long can you ignore what the BIBle says
John the baptist told EVERYONE that what he did was a WATER BAPTISM
He foretold of the BAPTISM JESUS would do with the HOLY SPIRIT!!
YOU think John was foretelling of a WATER baptism JESUS would do??
OF COURSE NOT!!
Why should I cite more verses as the ones I cite you IGNORE because they dont fit into FElix`s MAN-made SALVATION plan??
Epistle of Paul 3:5
`NOT by WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE have done,
BUT according to HIS(GODS) MERCY HE saved us(THE ELECT)
BY the WASHING(ONE BAPTISM by JESUS on the cross) of REGENERATION,
and RENEWING BY THE HOLY GHOST
This is the ONE EVENT John was pointing to so people might UNDERSTAND the HUMONGOUS difference
BETWEEN a RITE or CEREMONY that JOHn did in a WATER baptism
as COMPARED to the ONE BAPTISM JESUS did when HE WASHED or BAPTIZED the souls of those that were HIS BODY
JESUS DID INDEED BAPTIZE those souls
BUT not in the LITERAL physical sense of WATER BAPTISMS
Ephesians 5:26
That HE(GOD) might sactify and CLEANSE it with WASHING(BAPTISM of the Souls of HIS body ) of WATER by the WORD
God will apply the WORD ONLY to only he elected TO BE OF THE body OF jesus
washed BY THE WORD(JESUS)
You see Aerial when we understand the ENTIRE bible then all things fit in neatly
THE WORD was HIM
The WORD was with HIM
The WORD became FLESH,.. in JESUS
God sanctifies and CLEANSES the SOULs of those HE ELECTS with the WORD(JESUS)
I cant make it ANY clearer than that
You want to ignore God`s WORD and believe in a MAN like Felix
well may the LORd have MERCY on your souls and all those in INC
7 Days and still my question regarding the "TRUE IDENTITY" of the RAVENOUS BIRD have been left UNANSWERED or IGNORED by our ever Wise Eric who got pinned down by Bro. Aerial, hahahahaha.
ReplyDeleteWhat happen Eric? Your God that opened your Spiritual Eyes is still busy surfing the internet in search of an Asian Wife to be? ahahahahahahahaha!!!! LOL
Pray to Him tonight and tell him to give you the answers, for we are waiting...
7 Days and still counting.
If WATER BAPTISM is not important Eric, why the Apostles performed it?
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"JESUS did NOT BAPTIZE anyone with WATER!!!"
So as we go back to the VERSE Bro. Aerial quoted:
John 4:2 "Actually, Jesus himself DID NOT BAPTIZE ANYONE; only his disciples did." [Good News]
So based on what you said it would appear that YES Jesus did not Baptize anyone with water, but the DISCIPLES or the APOSTLES did, right Eric?
Why did the Apostles did that if it's not NECESSARY? Who command them to baptize with water?
And what can you say about this verse that Bro. Aerial quoted from the King James?
Luke 14:26 “If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his FATHER, AND MOTHER, AND WIFE, AND CHILDREN, AND BRETHREN, AND SISTERS, YEA, AND HIS OWN LIFE ALSO, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.” [King James Version]
Would you mind telling me and proved to me that this is a CORRECT TRANSLATION?
According to you Eric:
ReplyDelete"NOT by WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE have done,"
Is the word "RIGHTEOUSNESS" mentioned in that passage pertains to the WORD OF GOD written in the BIBLE?
Can you confirm this Eric?
How can you relate that verse with this, Eric?
"But in every nation he that feareth him, and WORKETH RIGHTEOUSNESS, is acceptable to him." [Acts 10:35 - ASV]
Please answer.
Eric said:
ReplyDelete"GOD ONLY makes that DETERMINATION who is EXEMPT"
Eric God said:
"As far as I CAN SEE BABIES ARE EXEMPT becasue they cant REASON right from wrong"
Very clear that ONLY LORD GOD ERIC can determine who are the EXEMPT!!!
Let us all praise the GOD of LUSTROUS PEOPLE, Lord ERIC, hehehehehe lol!
Catherine
ReplyDeleteINC makes a WATER baptism a CONDITION and REQUIREMENT ot be of the BODY of JESUS
The bible DOES NOT say that ANYWHERE
if one does a WATER baptism, its a CEREMONY or RITUAL POINTING to and HONORING the ONE BAPTISM that ABSOLVED one of SIN
and that is when sweet JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOUls that were of HIS BODY
INC adds to the word when they do the following
1. SAy in their WATER baptisms that it ABSOLVES or FORGIVES one of SIN with the STAMP of the HPLY SPIRIT
2. Its a REQUIREMENT ot be of the BODY and thus a REQUIREMENT to be SAVED
NEIHER is TRUE
You as an INC member have NOT been taught that there are the FOLLOWING:
1. There are WATER baptisms that GIVE prasie and HONOR to JESUS
There is the ONE BAPTIsm that CLEANSES the SAVED.. BY JESUS on the CROSS
2. There is the Act or WORK of Faith or BELIEVING that man can do
There is the FAITH of JESUS as ONLY JESUS is FAITHFUL
3. there is the earthly physical CHURCH also known as CONGREGATIONS
There is the EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH or BODY of CHRISTIANs or TRUE BELIEVERS who are ALL that GOD ELECTED to be SAVED
Until you learn the DISTINCTIONS between the 2
YOU as an INC member will only be learning HALF of what God is TEACHING
Please read back my questions Eric, for you are not attempting to answer them properly.
ReplyDeleteMy question are clear:
1. Why did the Apostles did that if it's not NECESSARY? Who command them to baptize with water?
2. And what can you say about this verse that Bro. Aerial quoted from the King James?
Luke 14:26 “If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his FATHER, AND MOTHER, AND WIFE, AND CHILDREN, AND BRETHREN, AND SISTERS, YEA, AND HIS OWN LIFE ALSO, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.” [King James Version]
Would you mind telling me and proved to me that this is a CORRECT TRANSLATION?
Please respond to the questions accordingly, answer them directly.
8 Days now and still the TRUE IDENTITY of the RAVENOUS BIRD has not been revealed through Eric by his God who is always busy in the internet to search for an Asian Wife to be. Hehehehehe
ReplyDeleteWhat he said that God had opened his eyes and revealed to him his UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH is indeed a big LIE hehehehehehe...
For he cannot reveal to us the UNDERLYING SYMBOLIC TRUTH of ISAIAH 46:11
8 Days and still counting...heheheheh
Catherine
ReplyDeleteI have ANSWERED this point as to WATER baptism so many times now!!
Jesus was WATER baptized as that was the custom of HIgh priests to be WATER baptized.
If there were WATER baptisms they were CEREMONIES one did.
John the BAptist did CEREMONIES pointing ot foresadowing the ONE BAPTISM JESUS would do when HE CLEANSED or WASHED the souls of those of HIS BODY.
I NEVER EVER said one should NOT do a WATER BAPTISM
BUt one adds to the BIBle when as INC does they say:
1. IT ABSOLVES or FORGIVES one of SIN
2, ITs a REQUIREMENT to be of the BODY of JESUS, thus being a REQUIREMENT to be saved.
As far as the second point , what is your question?
Eric you said:
ReplyDelete“There is the ONE BAPTIsm that CLEANSES the SAVED.. BY JESUS on the CROSS”.
So based from your understanding and interpretation, members of the Church or CHRIST’S BODY were already been BAPTIZED when he died on the CROSS, right?
And you referred that as the “ONE BAPTISM”, meaning there will be no other baptism other than that, right Eric?
So there shouldn’t be any more COMMANDMENTS for a BAPTISM since it was already been fulfilled by Jesus when he died.
But the question is, why Jesus Christ is still commanding the Apostles to BAPTIZE after his RESURRECTION and before his ASCENTION in Heaven?
And you said there is no SIN that is FORGIVEN during Baptism, but why Apostle Peter said this?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” [Acts 2:38 – KJV]
It is very clearly spoken by Apostle Peter that the BAPTISM commanded by Jesus for them to perform is FOR THE REMISSION OR FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
And that commandment was performed by Peter himself and the Apostles as a WATER BAPTISM:
"NO ONE CAN REFUSE TO BAPTIZE THESE PEOPLE WITH WATER. They have received the Holy Spirit in the same way that we did." SO PETER ORDERED THAT THEY SHOULD BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. THEN THEY ASKED Peter to stay with them for several days.” [Acts 10:47-48 – GWT]
So would you mind answering this?
If the BAPTISM of the members of BODY OF CHRIST was already been accomplished by JESUS when he died on the CROSS, why then Jesus Christ still commanded the Apostle to WATER BAPTIZE the People? Would that appear that there are “TWO BAPTISMS” instead of “ONE”?
Kindly respond with BIBLICAL PASSAGES to support your answer.
And please stop saying that there is an EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH, because that is not in the Bible. Are you trying to prove that the CHURCH built by Christ were two? One INTERNAL PHYSICAL CHURCH and ONE EXTERNAL SPIRITUAL CHURCH? Come on Eric.
Patrick
ReplyDeleteJesus COMMANDED water baptisms to HONOR and GLORIFY what HE alone did.
REPENT and YE be BAPTIZED for the REMISSION of Sins and one will be RECEIVE the Gift of the HOLY GHOST
Could the apostles KNOW who would RECEIVE the gift based on REPENTING and doing a WATER BAPTISM?
NO
that would mean that MAN can BOAST that:
`SEE God look at me
I REPENTED and I did this ACT or WORK of a WATER baptism and I now DESERVE SALVATION
REPENT and BE BAPTIZED
is referring to the INNER act from the HEART of REPENTING
and then one will be BAPTIZED by JESUS when HE WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED the SOULs of HIS body
Jesus is commanding ones to REPENT
The apostles could NOT say one is saved or not by doing something.
Thye coudl NOT look at a person after they were water baptized and SAY
`OH YES you are of the BODY of CHRIST
ONLY GOD knows who has REPENTED and this BE of the BODY of CHRIST
See Patrick you are searching for verses that INC twists to prove that man can aid in their SALVATION
You want to pat yourself on the back and and be proud that you did this act that aided yourself in being of the Body of JESUS.
But JESUS did all of the WORK
To be BAPTIZED is be WASHED or CLEANSED or BAPTIZED of the SINS of your SOUL
A WATER baptism is a CEREMONY or RITUAL to HONOR that ONE ACT
This is why you as an INC member will NEVER hear the word BAPTISM in a sermon OTHER that referring to your WATER baptism CEREMONY
BUt BAPTISM is from the GREEK
`To immerse in a fluid.. ie to WASH`
just as WATER washes the flesh of FILTH
JESUS WASHED or BAPTIZED the souls with HIS FLUID(BLOOD)
Please dont over-emphasize an ACT you did to what JESUS did!!
NEXT: CHURCH
Patrick
ReplyDelete1. Who is the BODY of CHRIST ?
Sure ask any INC member who has heard this a 1000 times:
We the ``CHURCH of CHRIST``
BUT Patrick who really is the BODY??
Are noT EVERYONE God decides to be SAVED of the BODY of JESUS?
Were there not hundreds.. thousands maybe MILLIONS and millions or people who lived during this SUPPOSED apostasy saved?
So when asked
WHO is the BODY??
INC EVER say:
`` WEll the CHURCH of CHRIST congregation
PLUS all of the others GOD saved during those 1900 yrs``
2. REPENT ye and be BAPTIZED
You see this is where we tie in what we have learned from my prior post
TO be blessed with the GIFT of the HOLYGHOST
One must REPENT and THEN
ONE will be BAPTIZED by JESUS when one is of HIS BODY
Being a MEMBER of an EARTHLY congregation is NOT what is the determining factor
And only GOD KNOWS who they are as ONLY GOD knows ones HEART!!
The CALLED.. THE ASSEMBLED
when 2 or 3 of you come in MY NAME I will be there in SPIRIT
Those ASSEMBLED or CALLED are the BODY of CHRIST
CHURCH is all those BELONGING to or PERTAINING to GOD
THe ELECT
Thas the SPIRITUAL CHURCH
Finally i dont know where you were born
but one of the most basic rules even as children we learned:
THE CHURCH is NOT the BUILDING or the ORGANIZATION
The CHURCH is the PEOPLE
The BODY of CHRISTIANS!!
maganda ang blog...
ReplyDeleteang husay m nmn sna kcng galing mo rn aq!
KASO MARAMI PA PO AKONG KAKAININ NA BIGAS
pero kapatid my blog k b about negative effects of indecency and sexual revolution
at iyong john 21:7(KJV) ano po b ung reaction dun ni apostle peter, out of shame kya cia tumalon o dhl ignagalang nya ung presence ni lord jesus christ?
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ReplyDeleteI dont believe FYM is the one being mentioned in Isaiah 46:11 who was sent by God...its a lie. Jesus already done what was to be done. He already taught mankind that He is the true way to salvation. He already poured out all the teachings of the Lord God that must be known unto men through Him... Jesus didn't have a thing He forgotten or neglected to be done.
The truth about Isaiah 46 is it is about the fall of Babylon.
And what is the Filipino like FYM doing in this prophecy, he is not an israelite. Did FYM go to israel and fullfill the there his missions? NO.. HE IS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES...HOW CAN ZION ATTAINED THAT PROMISED SALVATION IF FYM IS HERE AND NOT THERE... THATS A BIG HOAX!
AND BESIDES GOD SAID HIS "SALVATION WILL NOT BE DELAYED"...IMAGINE WHEN WAS FYM WAS BORN, ITS ON THE 19TH CENTURY..TOO DELAYED..YOU WILL MAKE GOD'S WORD NOT CREDIBLE BY THIS LIE BELIEF.
FYM DIED WITHOUT TOUCHING ANYTHING IN ISRAEL...DID HE FULFILLED ANYTHING SAID IN ISAIAH 46??....A BIG NO!
here read the whole of isaiah 46 and not just verse 11 for clarification:
Isaiah 46
New International Version (NIV)
Gods of Babylon
1 Bel bows down, Nebo stoops low;
their idols are borne by beasts of burden.[a]
The images that are carried about are burdensome,
a burden for the weary.
2 They stoop and bow down together;
unable to rescue the burden,
they themselves go off into captivity.
3 “Listen to me, you descendants of Jacob,
all the remnant of the people of Israel,
you whom I have upheld since your birth,
and have carried since you were born.
4 Even to your old age and gray hairs
I am he, I am he who will sustain you.
I have made you and I will carry you;
I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
5 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?
6 Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.
7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer;
it cannot save them from their troubles.
8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
you who are now far from my righteousness.
13 I am bringing my righteousness near,
it is not far away;
and my salvation will not be delayed.
I will grant salvation to Zion,
my splendor to Israel.
it is not only Israel which is of Israel's.
DeleteNot by flesh but the sons of promise.
Looking through the pages, it is as if the Bible itself was not complete. Remember that prophesies were named pointing Paul and John the Baptist before the Revelation of John was ever written closing it with a warning (Rev 22:18-19).
ReplyDeleteNow, how about those disciples that continue the work of the Apostles? is there a need for prophesy? Does the Word of God failed to reached the uttermost part of the earth (Acts 1:8)?
To whom did the Lord Jesus say where the salvation from(John 4:22)? To whom did God commit the promised New covenant(Heb 8:6-10)? Is it Jews? That's why God called Paul(Jew) to be an Apostle for us Gentiles!
The True Church that was established by Christ received the New Birth experience.. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed(Acts 19:2-6)? Ask yourself? (John 3:5)
Ang Sugo ay nagpapahayag ng mga bagay upang malinawan ang lumang kasuguan, nagpapahayag ng saloobin ng Dyos na di pa hayag sa tao, puspus sa banal na Espiritu, hindi nagtuturo ng kanyang sarili o umaangkin ng kanyang kasuguan, at nagpapahayag ng pawang katotohanan.
Bro. Manalo for me is a great minister of the Bible, that's all.
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ANO PO STAND NG INC ABOUT CREMATION?
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